A TheoCon Explains Why Slavery is OK and in fact a useful emploment model.

"It might come as shock to you, but the Bible does not list slavery as a sin. Neither does the quran. It is a human condition. The Israelites were slaves for a very long time and reentered it when they left God's grace by worshiping false gods.

Jesus encourages slaves to work for their master with ernest. For jews in the Old Testiment, every five years they were to set free their slaves unless the slaves wanted to stay, which about half the time they did.

America has out lawed slavery, I guess you did not notice that. It has to do with mankind, not God. If you look at the average human being in Biblical times there was zero education and most people could not ekk a living out of the desert, so slavery was a way of employment that brought food.

Since you have most likely never been in a third world country, you have not seen the daily starvation. In africa slavery is still practiced as employment."

This is from another board I visit--anyone can post and boy have we attracted some nutballs lately. The above post blew my mind...

Respond to him here, if you please: http://ariannaonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=190553#post190553

So it matters not what the bible says.

point of view. Are we still in the Confederacy ? Or the Third Reich ?

If it came to it, I would be in the crowd shouting " I AM SPARTICUS ".

that it's very wide spread, but just the fact that some people still think like this scares the hell out of me!

Very succinct and descriptive.

I like it!

Is slavery god's punishment or an economic system? Is an escaping slave going to hell for defying God's will (again) or merely breaking a contract between him and his master? Are we going to hell for forbidding this handy means of God's punishment?

If the bible does not outlaw slavery, does that mean that slavery is okay or that the bible is not exhaustive in all matters of morality?

Did Jesus own slaves?

If slavery is still practiced in places where there is daily starvation, but not elsewhere, isn't it a perversion of humanity brought about by their desparation to sell daughters, or captured strangers, into slavery?

and if the neocons want to bring it back, then bring back poligamy, animal sacrifice, and stoning.

The Qur'an looks at things in a practical way; at the time of its transmission, slavery was a fact of life. In the Qur'an, if a Believing master impregnates a slave, the child is born free. A slave may be liberated or buy his freedom. Slaves that become Believers are encouraged to be freed.

the Southern Baptists pointing to one of Paul's letters where it talked about slaves obeying their masters, the northern (American) Baptists realizing that slavery in the South was not the slavery of the Bible or the Qur'an. Of course, many neocons would love to bring it back.

and not only in the 'third world,' either. Their penchant for imprisoning a bigger segment of its population than any other nation on earth ensures cheap labor for corporations - and not only in service industries. An increasing amount of light manufacturing is performed within prison walls at third-world rates of compensation.

Three Protestant denominations split over slavery before the Civil War. After the war, only the Baptists DID NOT reunite.

If you have NOTHING, the only thing you can sell to make money is your labor. Slavery is forcing people to give you their labor without paying what it's worth for it.

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Those who find justification in the Bible for atrocities won't be swayed by any argument from their theological 'inferiors.' Perhaps the only way he could be persuaded otherwise is experiencing slavery firsthand. Chances are he'd start looking for 'liberation theology' in a hurry!

being spread around in the future. It is merely a part of the next step in the Theocratic agenda.

The idea is to move towards good old Mosaic Law. Slavery would be instituted, (along with stoning/burning as capital punishment) to replace the current penal system. Slaves would "work off" their crime and "earn" freedom.

Perhaps, the radical insanity of this will bring a strong retort from those who will not allow the RRRR to take it past obvious lines? Without awareness and understanding, the phenomena continues to march forward triumphantly without much resistance.

And offer his services to an owner. That way he could get true firsthand experience with that holy and necessary state of employment. Because I really don't think some pasty white computer geek, safe in the comfort of his mom's house has any clue about that which he speaks. He throws ot the phrase "Since you have most likely never been in a third world country, you have not seen the daily starvation". That would seem to imply that he has. Maybe he did a student mission in a poor country. I doubt it, but maybe. However, I'm suggesting that he REALLY experience the situation, as one of the slaves. Then he can come back and tell everyone about this 'human condition'. And tell him not to forget that he is to work for 5 years, in earnest, just as Jesus says.

taken to it's ultimate application.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

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So, it appears that slavery could still be employed in the US as an alternative to imprisonment. Now, how would that look??? Thought that the civilized world went bonkers over Alabama chain gangs, just wait until someone is sentenced to slavery!

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Though the convicts aren't called 'slaves' per se, prison labor is big business.

and it seems we continue to create laws to criminalize more people, and to steal their labor. it is amazing that more people don't make the connection.

License plate manufacture. Most prisons practice some form of involuntary servitude.

But the children of prisoners are not slaves and those with sentences less than life will be free again. I think that is just a clause to allow what had already been happening in prisons without a constitutional challenge to such practices.

that were fed to the lions, were okay too.

Bring on the lions.

As long as he's not the slave.

...blood, guts, slavery, stonings, and beheadings.

Some day, a few hundred thousand years from now, some species which has evolved to take our places after we blow ourselves off the planet because of this garbage, may develop an actual civilization.

"they're well-cared-for and don't want to leave"

Kind of reminiscent of the Oompah-Loompahs in that Willy Wonka book, who are taken to Europe to work in a rich man's factory, for all the cocoa beans they can eat!

Seems to me that these arguments were also used during the slavery era in the US (and still cited by right-wingers when the topic of sweatshops is raised).
http://templeofdemocracy.com/UDCMiddlePassage.htm


What they don't mention is the appalling casualty rate when people were kidnapped from their African homes and shipped across the Atlantic to the plantations of the Caribbean and southern US. If the slaves were so happy and contented, why did most of them die?
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=74

The particularly insidious thing about the American type of slavery is that it was so closely linked with race. The Romans kept slaves, too -- but their slaves were drawn from conquered populations across the empire, ranging from Britons, Germans, and Gauls to Judeans and North Africans. It wasn't just one ethnic group that became stereotyped as "only fit to be slaves".

Not to romanticize ancient Rome -- they had tremendous disparities between rich and poor (most free Romans were not well off and lived in what we'd view as slums). And even people who were high-up in the social structure had constraints which we wouldn't tolerate today ... for example, the "paterfamilias". As long as his father was alive, a man would be subject to his rule -- so even George W. would have to obey orders from GHWB, sitting president or not!

Also, some historians believe that the income gap, plus the Empire's increasing need for slaves (and dependency on them) contributed to political instability and eventual collapse of the Empire. So those who want to use ancient societies as a model for our own had better be aware of that.

false ideals that has no credibility whatsoever. It even looks down on incest when in the Book of Genesis(tm), it says Adam and Eve were the first two. Now if they were the first two, that means they are the parents of us all. Whenever we jump into bed with somebody, we are committing incest.

I believe in helping others and doing the best I can in life, for myself and for others because we are a society. While I am spiritual, organized religion is akin to organized crime.

main reasons why I have decided that it is not the infallible Word of God. There may be SOME of God's words in there, but I suspect that some others may have been left out, like "Thou shalt not own other people".

Some Caucasians simply relish the idea of being Masters. Mere mortal men, they are not content to be so; they know god so well they should be on a par with god.

If you read some of the crap written by slave owners, you read words of pure ignorance. For example, on a rice farm, Lily White Missus claiming white folk can't handle the bugs and heat and goo in the August rice paddies. They were too "delicate." But black folk didn't avoid the paddies because of the oppressive heat, risk of malaria or horrible conditions. Slaves didn't want to go into the paddies in August because their race is LAZY.

Now, who the hell died and told white people they were "Special?" Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

edition to worldwide slavery--over 6 million people held in some form of slavery, forced labor, forced sex, out-moded social systems preventing upward movement. Its pretty sickening. Thinking that owning another person is ok anytime for any reason is sickening too.

When can he start?