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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:58 PM
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Will Republicans ever fall victim to their own hubris?
I would have thought that they would have in the last election. But they just seem to gain more ground. When does it end? How far does this country fall before it's over?
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:01 AM
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1. Who knows?
But they sure will be unfortable in hell and/or when they are reincarnated as dung beetles.

My friend Alicia swears that they are already over reaching and that republicanism is the last gasp of a dying idealism. My prediction is that in 50 years we will be making incredible movies about just how awful they really were and just how stupid W really was.

I look forward to those days.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:02 AM
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3. Hopefully it won't take 50 years for them to fall from grace.
n/t
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:03 AM
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5. hmm that'll make to be 78.....
Can this happen a bit sooner? :(
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:01 AM
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2. I'd love to know that too.
This can't last forever but what will be the beginning of the end for the gop?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:03 AM
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4. Shouldn't gangsterism be outlawed in both parties?
Because that is what you've got in the Republican Party. Why hasn't this been outlawed and these perpetrators thrown in prison? I mean since when is cheating and pilfering of tax payers money legitimate?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:03 AM
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6. Yes.
That's how hubris works -- it's inevitable that they will step really hard on their own dicks someday. Problem is, before they get to that point they will have screwed the rest of us to the wall.

Nevertheless, their karmic burden is horrendous, and if there is such a thing as reincarnation they'll be lucky to make it as amoebas.
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flying_monkeys Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:04 AM
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7. Every great liberal break through has followed a hard check to the right
Politics is a pendulum... It will make a hard check back to the left soon. And my foggy over forty brain seems to recall that once all 3 branches are controlled by the same party, it is usually sink or swim time for that party (and they most often sink). Since the repugs have all 3, the onus is on them and just them to make Amurka happy...

If Dems don't take back something in 2006, we should get 2 branches in 2008....
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:16 AM
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10. The Pendulum Doesn't Swing to the Left Anymore

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fnottr Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:04 AM
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8. I think so
Look at history, it's full of figures and groups whose hubris and complacency brings them down. Groups like them keep trying to out do themselves. Soon enough they will do something so audacious that no one will be able to ignore it. I was hoping the 2004 election might be just that as well, but I guess we'll have to wait a little longer.
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DrCorday Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:04 AM
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9. HOW DOES IT STOP?
I'm not really sure. It seems like the worse things get, the more support they earn. We need to stop them.

For a "liberal elite" who "has all the power," we certainly don't have very much power and it's not fair.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:19 AM
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11. They are already falling. They don't see it and lack the
ability to identify in what way they will lose standing in the world. Americans have been spoiled through several generations and the world has cow towed to Americans as well. All that is changing due to world economics, trade, and emerging markets.This is the true source of the Republicans fear.

The change they cannot put a name to they call, 'liberal'.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:38 AM
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12. When are we as Americans going to see it?
When will they fall victim to their hubris in this country?
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__Inanna__ Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:46 AM
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13. I predict it comes sooner rather than later
I just want to be alive to see it. My parents are old, so they will never see it. I myself, am "middle aged," so I don't have another 50 years to wait.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:21 PM
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24. The baby boomers are perceived as spoiled and that the current
economic and political changes are deemed a "correction" by various players both nationally and globally. Hence the assumption is that they (meaning we) have had it too good for a long time and will have to get used to higher gas prices, lousy living conditions, crappy unions or no unions and an infrastructure that is crumbling.

Is this perception true? No, I don't believe so. But that won't stop it or the changes that are arriving daily.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:51 AM
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14. The truth is so awful
that I'm finding alot of repubs are in denial, or dismiss any criticism with RW meme soundbites (conspiracy theory, et al). They cannot deal with wholesale corruption and despotism as the prevailing reality of their government though all the evidence is pointing in that direction.

They are the proverbial german citizens with Buchenwald in their backyard for a few years who'll say they had no idea "that" was going on in their backyard. It's a lie, or course, but allows them to pretend they aren't the ignorant self-serving cowards we know them to be. :)

Gyre

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:28 PM
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26. Think globally, act nationally.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:26 PM
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19. Yes.
So much of the world has been screwed over by the people chimpy represents, that if we cannot remove the neocons world economics will. The rest of the world doesn't have this sanitiized view of this president that we see in our media.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:22 PM
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20. They're not falling! Jeebus, they're still gaining more and more power!
Don't kid yourself. I hope the pendulum swings, but I'm not holding much faith that it will be soon.

Bake
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:27 PM
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25. Depends on how you define power. People thought that fundies
had amassed a huge amount of power when liquor was prohibited. But did they really? Sure they amassed a power base and certainly they have returned for another pass at national domination but lasting changes in our very young country have not been achieved by religious fundamentalists.

The neocons have positioned themselves to create the conditions of lasting power. Maintaining that power, and over how long a period, is going to be something else.

Money drives this country. It is the one and true God of Americans. Every new idea of the Democrats must emphasize economic progress or security.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:52 AM
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15. Hope springs eternal.



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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:02 AM
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16. "Pride Goeth Before The Fall"
Those claiming inevitability are generally already in decline.

The election was 50/50, even with the forces arrayed against Democratic/Progressive candidates.

If that is the best they can do, during a period of modest economic growth and with epic levels of flag waving, they are done for once the economy begins to slide and the foreign adventures begin to go south (that is, the truth begins to penetrate the media filter).

My feeling is that they already are in decline.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:07 AM
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17. I don't have the patience for the inevitability of hubris...
I want those fascists brought down NOW
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:08 AM
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18. absolutely . . . the only question is . . .
will it happen before they destroy the nation and, quite possibly, the planet . . .
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:45 PM
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21. The problem of the exogenous set
I was recently imagining, a global vote, of each and every person on
this democratic earth, as to the behivour of Mr. Bush, and he's lost
that poll by a billion. In terms of human balance, look to the 6+
billions on this earth to rope in this wild bull.

I expect the reality check to be the chinese selling dollar-bonds by
the billions, in a controlled revaluation of the remninbi(sp). The
chinese central bank is pissed off at being harangued to let the
dollar slip, as it means giving the yank's a 50 billion dollar free
ride as the chinese dollar holdings are worth less and less to their
native peoples... and nobody in the current chinese administration
wants to be left holding the responsibility for losing 50billion US in change.

The dollar needs to plunge radically to check this bad behaviour, and
lack of global investment in the bush-ameeriKa. It is sort of simpler
than trade sanctions, but allows the world to write off a huge loss,
and ditch the dollar and bush in one fell swoop.

Bush is a foreign friend, like yelsin was a friend to ameircans. His
incompetence in office has so weakened the american hand in global
affairs, that the empire is already undone.

The right are trying to take over a population of humans and brain
wash them all to be just like themselves, be enslaved economically
that your labour is so reduced that you live without choice, with
no safety net, in a wholly prison-like approach. That the world is
a prison, and needs a big warden (*) and a load of prison guards,
and choice is what sort of prison guards abuses of human rights are
acceptable, and 1 is the number of choice in economic and religious
systems. Its neo-monarchy, puritain monarchs indeed, ordering us
about, on a pretext of terrorism, war, fear and self perpetuated
cynical negativism.

The global tolerance for bush, at the end of they day, relies on the
dollar peg. As the tolerance slips, as does the dollar, and he is on
a precarious balance indeed.

It will fall until it changes and adapts. The wall street model
of uber-large centric business conglomoration has reached its apogee,
the democratic intelligensia must come forward with a sound alternative
by the time power lands back in demos.

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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:18 PM
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23. Great post!
n/t
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:51 PM
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22. ordinarily, is IS their hubris that finally nails them...
ask McCarthy, Nixon, Kissenger, Gingrich, Livingston, Liddy, et al.
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:20 PM
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27. as my government teacher states
once a group gains a firm grip on power...the infighting begins
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:07 PM
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28. I am counting on that.
Among other things, but especially that.
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Mirwib Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:05 PM
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29. Isn't this what Republicans were saying back in 92-94 when
Clinton was the president and both the House and the Senate had Democratic majorities? In fact, at that point, the last Republican majority in the House was back in the 1950's or so. In American politics there is a pendulum. Kerry could have won the last election except for a couple of very silly mistakes. The chief mistake was that he needed to get a vice presidential candidate that would have helped him get a state. If Gore couldn't carry him home state of Tennessee, what made Kerry think Edwards could carry North Carolina?
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