Is the Bush version of morality actually non Christian?.

IMHO
To favor the rich over the poor to the degree Bush has done so is non Christian.

To start a unnecessary war that kills Innocent people is non Christian.

To lie about that war as though all is well under control is non Christian.

This list could get very long, but worst of all is his claiming that he is doing God's work, so criticism is wrong on my part.

I am embarrassed that he claims to be a United Methodist.

I have been hearing more and more Christians making jokes about Bush being the anti-Christ, and I'm pretty sure they are only "half jokes". Let's not forget less than half of America voted for Bush.

There is not a shred of CHRISTian thought in this junta.

Is somethign wrong with Bush's ethics?

Morality has NOTHING to do with this... and morality is a smokescreen.

We have had a massive breakdown in National Ethics starting in the 1980s, where me, and I have replaced WE... and were getting ahead and getting even are far more important than the commons

So forget morality... I am sure he is a christian man (yes I am gagging as I say this), but this has NOTHING to do with morality, but with business ethics... (bottom line)...

What I need you to do, is to rephrase it... Bush and his administration are not ethical and they are regresive.

saved-and-unsaved philosophy of Jaaaayzus: anything, and I mean ANYTHING--murder, butchering thousands of unsaved folk in terrorism or wars--is okay, as long as it's Jaaaayzus

I happen to have first hand knowledge of this fundie stuff, having been caught up in it when I was a messed up, drugged out, teenager. I know all the stuff and the angles. There is NOTHING christian about what these people are doing. I had the misfortune of getting involved with one this past summer. Complete hypocrite. Would not use any four letter words, but wayyyyyyyyy happy to commit adultery. I sent him a link on * is an anti-christ. My response? He would not read it, as it was blasphemous. Yeah right. Made me realize I will never again be open to being friends with these people. I am proud to say I do not have one person in my life, who voted for this moron, aside from family members. And I can't help it I am related to them.

Since he violates all the commandments and hurts so many Christians with his policies.


But the teachings of Christ seem less popular than ever with Christians, these days.

Oh those years ago....

Let's just start with Thou Shalt Not Steal....

of the abortion issue.

Satanism.

Stop and think a minute. He Ok'd the slaughter of 100,000 Iraqi innocents. He Ok'd an attack on a country who never hurt us. He has redistributed our nations wealth to his globalist supporters. May Bush burn in hell.

in Bush's version of morality. I'm not a Christian myself, but I have read the Gospels, and have a passing familiarity with the teachings of Jesus and I find this notion that Bush represents Christian morality to be absolutely incomprehensible.

He lies, he cheats, he steals, he slanders, he kills, he takes from the poor and gives to the rich, he lusts after power, he's arrogant and self aggrandizing and contemptuous of others. That's what I can think of right off the top of my head, I'm sure that it only begins to scrape the surface.

I've never seen anything in the Bible, particularly the Christian part of the Bible that treats those characteristics as representing positive moral values.

I can only think that the so called "values voters" have been brainwashed by their church, or genuinely mistake public piety, (condemned by Jesus) for genuine adherence to Christian values.

is bad juju in the extreme. Nevermind the perverse rationalizations.

One major biblical warning was against tailoring the teachings to suit a personal agenda.

However one slices it, that has been done.

On account of Christians believing Satan has so much power, in fact ALL the power to do evil.....

Then, yeah, Bush is Christian. A practicing Christian Satanist.

For someone to say they are a christian and that their actions are lead by their faith and then do the things that George has done scares me!!! What will his faith lead him to next??

but they are led to "the faith" because they already possess those characteristics. Of course, it certainly reinforces those attitudes.

to being a Christian non-Republican stuck in the middle of the bible belt? My own father told me he thought I was "backsliding" in my faith because I'm not a Bush fan...interesting thing is at the moment I'm wondering if I'm called to ministry. Maybe as a missionary. The one thing I can tell you though is that everything I have learned from God's word has taught me that as a Christian woman I could NEVER in good conscience vote for George W. Bush. Screw the abortion issue...I'm not a big fan of abortion myself, but I wish republicans would spend less time advocating for the unborn and realize that there's a whole world of the BORN who could use some help. But of course, it's an awful lot easier to advocate for the unborn children whose faces we will never see and therefore never have to help than the needy living children around us who might inconvenience us in some way. People who vote on a single issue, like abortion, are full of crap. Oh, by the way, I'm pretty sure Jesus is saddened that 15,000 Iraqi civilians have died from our occupation...I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't pick three countries from the entire world to label them the "axis of evil." It's such a load of crap...Ok, off my soapbox...guess I just needed to vent:-)

both parties have always tried to claim the positive symbols: mom, apple pie, baseball, apple pie, puppy dogs, etc.. However, God/Jesus was always off limits. To claim sole ownership was considered wrong and distasteful, but the mendacious GOP had to come up with a way to get poor and middle class people to vote for them. Well...

If you feel compelled to minister, I think you should. The world certainly needs more Christians who embrace the Sermon on the Mount (even atheistic me thinks it is wonderful advice) :)

My only hope is that enough Non-republican Christians will have the guts to fight back at the GOP, which honestly is hard to do! It literally means being rejected by the majority of your peers, family, church, etc. The worst political attacks I've seen have been from republicans, and when they are from friends and family...damn. But the few of us who have the guts to fight need to keep doing so...someone's gotta remind the church that we are supposed to worship JC, not GW.

Thanks for your kind words, mitchum:-)

and it seems you're finding out that out in American society 'Christian' is an umbrella for a lot of religious stuff that has little or no real relationship to Christ's actual teachings. Most of it is actually pre-Christian religion, i.e. Nature God paganism with a thin Biblical facade mounted onto it. The sad thing is, of course, that most people who claim to be Christians greatly favor the pagan parts and ignore the original message as much as is possible- and many or most churches and preachers make sure not to discomfort them significantly.

You have the misfortune of wanting to understand Jesus's teaching as a humanistic one, in an age where American Christianity is trying to define its God as inhuman- theistic- as possible, privilege the most paganized Biblical interpretations even further, and make its method of persuasion and politics as occultic as possible. You'll need a lot of grace to get through it (and don't we all).

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

my mother told me that she votes "the way her bible tells her". I wanted to say "maybe you should try reading the new testament" but instead said "so do I".

My cousin sent me a hateful, error filled email about praying and then voting and I sent a response (reply to all of course) that Christ was a liberal and it's pretty sad that they find so much wrong with Christ's idealogies.

My IL's are Southern Baptist, they voted for Kerry. The Sunday after the election they were told they needed to get down on their knees and get right with God. One person offered to help my aunt-in-law move to Canada. This was in church.

Somewhat like you, I'm feeling led to get deeper into my christianity. To really explore and examine myself and the words of Christ. I don't feel led to ministry (at least not yet), but I do feel led to write essays and articles (and I am so not a writer) examining the role of Christ in today's world and contrasting that to how he is being used by those in power.

And I think I have "an insider's view."

I'm not religious, and I'm not a biblical scholar, but what I learned in my years at Catholic School taught me plenty about the values of Jesus.

Besides, even if you just stick to the 10 commandments, the current government of ours is going to hell.