Radicals: How are you taking Bush's re-(s)election?

My apologies, but I'm not shooting for inclusiveness here. As anyone would attest, there is a difference between those who seek for the reform of capitalism, and those who are far more wary of its dark heart; there is a gulf between those who fancy Bush an aberration, and those who see his administration as the culmination of all that has gone before. It is my opinion that America has been the leading terrorist state since 1945; my aim is to address those who, even if not agreeing with said assertion, would at least ruminate on it a bit without knee-jerk reactions.

How are you guys taking this?

I myself held my nose and voted for Kerry; he didn't give me one moment's worth of inspiration, but I did see a modicum of difference, one that might have saved many lives. Now that Bush has retained power, I see nothing but suffering for myself, my family, and the majority of citizens. There is no doubt in my mind that these fascists are gonna give us the ol' razzle dazzle.

Yet, in lieu of this, I've made peace; like Robert Graves' Emperor Claudius--and perhaps like Ralph Nader--I see, with this latter-day Nero of ours, a chance for the horrid American empire to crumble. Perhaps Gabriel Kolko was correct, perhaps Kerry's election would have prolonged the injustice, reforging imperialist alliances while giving the Right time to strengthen. Perhaps the budding Fourth Reich was the only way to end this.

"Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud come out."

What do you think?

disaster, political mayhem, concentration camps and ovens?

I don't want to raise my kid in this craphole, where the big weekly social event for the population at large is shopping at walmart... so, since we can't ever beat the GOP again in elections, fair and square, now that they've proven they own diebold, why stick around?

That's like resisting hitler.... can't be done.

Consider these:

If you leave, you weaken the rest of us.

If you leave, the repukes will have a field day.

If you leave, those in the country you plan to live in may not want you there. Anti-American sentiment is not a fallacy.

If you leave, the repukes won't need to rig elections.

and there is nowhere else to go: Assuming the aforementioned truth that the locals of the country you're fleeing to may or may not be friendly toward you, it's just as likely that directly or indirectly, you'll still get caught in the middle.

Good luck in whatever choice you make. But from my standpoint, it's over for us all.

... with an abusive husband as well. All of them valid, all of them justifiable.

but decided I want something more cosmopolitan, so we'll vacation in MX and live in europe.

I think we've acted on that since the beginning, and the Bush regime is the logical culmination of these events. I suppose our last real hope was RFK, with Jimmy Carter's telling us we were going to have to change our ways being our last gasp.

I don't know. Maybe the Fourth Reich will, in the end, lead to a more humane United States. I just think it will be at the cost of a heretofore unbelievable number of lives. Is it worth it in the end? How many lives are worth strong unions? How many a social safety net? How many true freedom of speech? I don't know. Something in me thinks that it is dangerous to think of lives as currency, even for things very precious.

I wish I had more answers and fewer questions. I am looking at emigration. How long do you go on trying to save someone who wants passionately not to be saved?

I will remain and I will fight for my freedom, and will make sure to take as many as I can with me, if it becomes necessary

I don't think it will do any good to leave the country, Italy with it's Prime Minister already in Bush Co's pocket won't be a haven for long, and Mexico, which is in the market for a bribe, like immigration reform, will sell out the American expatriates who go there.

As for Canada, rumor has it that the US is working on an agreement that would allow US military forces to cross the border, and for US naval vessels to enter into Canadian waters, so I wouldn't put Canada
on the list of places to go, either.

So with our backs against the wall, we have to react like any wild animal would, and that's by fighting.

I don't romanticize resistance, but I will not betray its spirit or rich history: Shay's Rebellion, Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry and the Poor People's Movement being but three (with varying degrees of success). There are ways one can throw a few wrenches in this dreaded machine--just ask Daniel Ellsberg.

I don't think the American people are dumb. Kerry ran a decent campaign but he ran up against an administration that has absolutely no scruples. None of us have ever been confronted with politicians who absolutely have to love or respect for our country. Personal power is all that matters to them and this is extremely scary and dangerous. However the brighter Americans and some in the press and even a growing number of conservatives are catching on and strongly opposing what is going on. It's going to take a few years for the general public to catch on, but they will. The neo-cons are toast in my opinion.

If Kerry had won, he would had to deal with a war that is unwinnable and yet impossible to walk away from. He would have had to deal with a horrific deficit that would have required a combination of tax rollbacks and massive spending cuts to bring under control. At the same time he would have been under pressure from Democratic special interests to expand certain federal programs while trying to bring spending under control. Kerry is not tough enough, IMO, to pull all of this off successfully. But worst of all he would have been hounded, like Clinton though probably worse, by the radical RWers. Again, I don't think Kerry would handle that as well as Clinton did. Few could.

I think a Kerry administration would have ended in a disaster for Democrats. This is not a knock on Kerry, no Democrat could come out of the next four years stronger than when he went in.

IMO the chickens will come home to roost for Republicans in the coming four years. The Bush Administration is one of the best at grabbing and keeping power, they suck at governing. I think the electorate is going to spank them in 2006 and kick them out on their collective asses - in disgrace - in 2008. It's up to the Democrats to be ready and present the American people hope and a positive message when this happens.

In the long run this election was not a disaster.

Am I a Radical? If I'n not I'm closer than I was before 11/2. 11/2 is my 9/11. I want to beat the daylights out of anyone who voted for *. I want to stand in a MALL and scream @ the top of my lungs how much I hate them for ruining my country. I want to grab them all by the shirt collers and jack them up and ask them WHY and dare them to send their children to Iraq. I want to throw buckets of red paint on them and call them murders.

:grr::nuke: That is how I feel. That is how I'm taking it. Not well @ all! :grr::nuke:

It's time to do the really hard work!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I no longer care.

Doom truly is nigh and I intend to be happy until the end day comes.

I'd love to say more, but I might offend some people and golly gadzooks, we just can't have that...

After the rage, I'm left with a weird apathy....