Why the crap does Pat Buchanan give a damn about the Oscars???

He's been campaigning for days FOR Mel Gibson's "artistic masterpiece" and "beloved film sensation" (Passion of the Christ) and AGAINST F9/11 for Picture of the Year.

Jeebus!

Bake

I can't figure out why this surprises anybody.

is F9/11 nominated for best picture? I didn't know it was even nominated.

I find it odd that Scarborough, OReilly, Buchanan, Hannity etc. are more concerned about the film getting nominations than Mel Gibson or anyone directly involved in the film or his company is. Gibson made a decision not to campaign for awards, which is the one thing I can respect him for after this debacle.

he did on the Swift Liars - months and months.

Period. End of story!

Two days (at least, that I have seen) of endless speculation. Buchanan is over the top; Hollywood must burn if Passion is not nominated, that kind of bullshit. He almost crucified (pun intended) a rabbi last night who said it was two hours of nothing but blood and gore -- Buchanan calls it a beautiful film.

I'm a Christian and I don't think I want to see The Passion.

Bake

...when they put Jesus up on the cross, I'd be sorely tempted to sing, "Always look on the bright side of life...." :evilgrin:

Seriously. Nice photography, that's about it. Just an excuse for Gibson to make a glorified gore-fest without having the censors and right-wing nutjobs riding his ass. He knew the movie would cause controversy and he knew he could get the brutal violence past censors are religious nuts because it's about Jesus, so he knew it was a surefire money-maker. That's my theory anyway.

The people who laud this movie are the same kind of people who denounced Fight Club as "too violent". Incidentally Fight Club is a better movie and a better book (yeah, that's right).

They're total hypocrites. A great movie like Fight Club deserves an Oscar, not a piece of cinematic shit like the Passion.

I'm not even talking about the "message" either. First of all, no character development (and I don't care that it was Jesus). Also, Gibson never explored Jesus as a person. It was one big snuff film. I guess its purpose was to mobilize Christians, but this film would not move anyone else. I found it repulsive and I can tolerate A LOT of violence in film. Because it wasn't a good movie, it doesn't deserve an Oscar. That being said, other nondeserving films have won.

He had many of the same problems with the film that you did, plus several more.

Try showing it to a non-Christian who doesn't enjoy beyond graphic violence, and he or she will probably be covering his or her eyes. I know I did.

The film was a big guilt-inducer, guilt being one of the primary methods Christianity has used in the past and continues to use to contol people. It also offered a huge group-experience of guilt-induction, the group-process magnifying the effect.

Thousands of people came of of the theater afters seeing "The Passion" saying stuff like "gosh, he suffered all that for MY sins! I owe my life and fidelilty to him and the church in return."

Powerful stuff, for those susceptible to such forces.

I got to go to free because my religious friend got me a ticket for free. Besides, I wanted to see what all the controversy with my own eyes. Anyway, this screening was put on by a Christian business association. I guess all the people were from local churches or Bible study groups except for, like, me. Anyway, everyone was bawling. I had my hands over my eyes for most of the time and I just wanted it to end. I'm not even that sensitive. It was just too much. Too disgusting.

My attitude has always been "If it was a gift, why do I owe HIM anything? Sounds like extortion to me"

got a word in and everything she said was slammed.

Pat Buchanan had Al Franken, Michael Richtenberg and Ann Coulter on to discuss the Oscars and F9/11 vs. Passion of the Christ.

didn't seem to work to well so did you see what Buchanan pulled when it came back from commercial and no one could tell him he was wrong? How lame.

I just love being talked AT.

correct in her refutations no matter how it actually sounded when you watched it - Bullsh@#, Paddy boy.

Her entire life is built on hate and ignorance. I can't stand the media right now. Will it ever end?

Someone should quiz her on the 10 commandments. Hell someone should quiz * on what the ten commandments are. Bet you that they don't know shit about the bible they bang every chance they get. Hypocritical assholes.

his name? He said Jesus would have looked more Arabic and Ann said mockingly no, he would have looked Jewish.
I never get that argument. Everyone in that region would have looked the same whether they were practicing Judaism or not and that's an Arab region.
I think they just feel more comfortable with thinking Jesus would have looked more like "Americans" than thinking that he possibly could have had the same physical characteristics of the people living in the countries we are bombing.

Ann Coulter is such a moron. Now she's latched onto this new term secular liberals and that's her new "dirty word".

to me this week. That was the first thing I noticed - I guess we aren't even going to try for a semblance of historical accuracy.

Are the single greatest conveyors of culture available. Of course they are going to fight for control of them.

election day. Guess he does not care that our democracy is going down the toilet!

He's happy with the results regardless of how they came about.

is another way for the regressives to slam "hollywood" and anyone who might have a liberal point of view. They all love the movie because it is about their "christ" and it's full of violence & gore (no, not that Gore) 2 things that talibornagains really love. It would never occur to them to look at the movie from a critical point of view because it is supposedly based on the bible which is supposedly based on reality and therefore real.

This way, from now until the Oscar nominations come out, they can scream about how the evil libruls in hollywood won't nominate this holy movie. They can get so many of their dittohead followers up in arms, screaming & yelling about the libruls & how they hate "christians". I'll tell you what; when I meet a "real Christian" I won't hate them. But anyone who goes out of their way to tell me how "christian" they are lets me know they are a talibornagain & I run like hell.

These people make me :puke:

I saw part of this show while washing dishes, good husband that I am.

He's pushing this debate, as are various and sundry other right wing screech monkeys, to keep the culture and values war going.

Jesus vs Mike Moore, the ReMatch

Its scraps for the fundies who will otherwise be ignored as the power grabbers go forward with their real (non-religious) agenda.

And it keeps the whole sack of shit that got spewed in the campaign open and festering.

When you have a good puss-filled wound that starts to scab over, you pick the scab.

This isn't a joke and it isn't about art. The right is deadly serious in pushing this. And if they vilify a few of the Hollywood crowd in the process, so much the better.

You hit the nail on the head! This pacifies the fundies by pushing "their" home-boy favorite while the neocons keep pushing their agenda. You said a mouthful, Husb!

Bake

NOT

I do, however, wish they would listen to creative individuals who want to make quality films and not ten million sequels to Charlie's Angels but that's another thread.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17026

In Gibson's film the union of the divine and human in Jesus is not explored or explicated. He is just a sponge for punishment. Which makes one wonder why so many call their viewing of the film a conversion experience. From what, or to what, are they being converted? From Christianity to philoflagellationism?

Besides blood and guts it has no novel thought to it. The plot was already written. I cannot believe that Hollywood would nominate this film. There are so many more novel and in depth films.

Remember "Babe"? The movie about a little pig that becomes a sheep herder? I cried at the end of it. They used real animals and some shots of fake ones but they were very believable. This movie was nominated for an Oscar but it lost. It had beautiful cinematography and a great message.

I loved Babe. I saw it several times at the theater and it resides in my video library.

It was a much better movie than The Passion could hope to be.

probably something he picked up from the Jesuits

I watched it a couple weeks ago and being a Christian, I already knew the story. It was really dragged out and there are better Jesus movies out there.

How this has to compete with Michael Moore and Fahrenheit is a stretch. The fundies love the Passion and hate MM, so what else is new.
Coulter and her 69 refutations from Kopel sounded like the same idiotic freeper line. Franken held her feet to the fire.
Terrible critics - Coulter had not seen Fahrenheit and Franken had not seen Passion
Rictenwald (sp) only got about one sentence in.