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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:44 PM
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Did Democrats steal votes from Nixon?
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 01:46 PM by msgadget
I'm pretty new here so please pardon me if this has been rehashed in the past.

Twice this week I've heard reference to poor Nixon suffering at the hands of the Democrats. First, Novak mentioned it on Crossfire to rebut a statement Sharpton made regarding the 2004 presidential race. And, today a caller to C-Span's guest, Tavis Smiley, referred to the 'padded votes' the Democrats never refer to regarding Kennedy's win.

Why hasn't any pundit, talking head, media representative or whatever of the left stomped this story intot he dirt? And, is it me or is Nixon a name that was studiously avoided by the other side during the first term?


Everything I've read debunks this. I'd appreciate any links, references or long-winded opinions you have regarding this matter.

Thanks.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:45 PM
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1. I do not know for sure, however
even if Nixon has won the disputed state he would have lost the election.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:46 PM
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2. evidence is that any votes Mayor Daley got for JFK
illegally in Chicago were evened out by votes that padded for Nixon in downstate Illinois. In other words corruption on both sides.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:50 PM
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6. Right,
I thought it was something like this. I think I remember reading that this was the first time the Republicans planned to rig the vote but they were outmaneuvered. Can't find my sources to back it up though.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:46 PM
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3. That's been widely alleged
- in Chicago. I've also heard stories that the repubs had a different part of IL rigged so it always seemed to come out even, imo.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:47 PM
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4. Doris Kearns Goodwin referred to this in 2000
She said the reason Nixon didn't contest apparent vote padding by Democrats in Cook County (Illinois) in 1960 was that the Republicans had participated in equally fraudulent activities in downstate Illinois that would likewise have been uncovered. I don't have a reference other than having heard her say this on television.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:50 PM
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5. Because we stole the 1960 election!
Daly fixed Chicago. Nixon couldn't complain because it was obvious that he fixed California. He became a selfless victim rather than incriminate himself by incriminating Kennedy. End of story.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:52 PM
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8. Thanks. Interesting that this story is now re-surfacing, isn't it?
IOW, Democrats should shut up about the voting irregularities of 2000 and 2004 because of THIS?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:06 PM
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14. Because it is the old."stealing the election isn't new, everybody does it
argument"!
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:14 PM
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16. Infuriating!
They haven't yet denied any of the stories, not even to say (as I expected) the party had no part in anything untoward though we cannot vouch for our enthusiastic supporters. That'd be better than, 'so, Nixon got robbed and he let it go.'
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:28 PM
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19. What election do you mean this one or 1960? We can't deny 1960 because we
did steal it! As for this election. the repugs can't admit they stole it! What are you talking about? Clarify please!:)
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:30 PM
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20. This year's,
nothing I can do about 1960. :)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:43 PM
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21. Tee Hee hee!
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:51 PM
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7. I don't think there were any votes "stolen".
There were from what I understand a lot of votes that were created. No-one realized that there were that many dead people that still loved to vote. Some even voted multiple times. I think it was happening on both sides any many locations.

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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:55 PM
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10. LOL! Hey, didn't the dead start voting again this year?
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:02 PM
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11. No! It was just the opposite this year.
They were not letting living people vote (same as 2000)

:mad:
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:54 PM
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9. Yeah, in Chicago, but Kennedy still easily wins without Illinois
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:04 PM
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12. YES!
Something that the idiot rw pundits NEVER get around to mentioning!
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:08 PM
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15. That's precisely why I'm asking, no talking head has refuted the
Nixon-was-cheated story yet it seems like something about to pick up steam now that we've finally had public forums about the 2004 voting debacle.
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Democracy Died 2004 Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:06 PM
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13. Well if we did we need
to find these people and get them to work again. If pugs can do it we better learn how to also.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:21 PM
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17. Both parties have long cheated and lied when it suited them. nt
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:18 PM
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22. Yep, I'm aware of that, just disappointed in the nonresponses
of the pundits.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:25 PM
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18. watched a program the other day, dems did chicago
nixon couldnt go after him because they did california

none of them were right and it was over 40 years ago

repugs have stolen 2000, 2002, and 2004

gotta stop
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