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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:01 PM
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When will someone in congress, or a celebrity say "Fascist"?
Thats what these bu$h hyenas are. We know it and I'm sure that some more progressive members of congress know it too. Thats what they are.
When is someone going to get up before a camera and say it?

I'm surprised that one of the more outspoken celebrities, ala Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon... havent used the word "Fascist" when desribing bu$h and his adminisration.

Are people just afraid? I'm not and I used the "F" word at every chance when talking about the monsters that run this country.

Why dont they call a spade a spade?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:02 PM
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1. Four years ago, Jerrold Nadler, a representative from NY said
"There's a whiff of fascism in the air"
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:08 PM
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2. That was 4 years ago when there was just a whiff.
Now its full blown. We should all be screaming it.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:08 PM
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3. Nelly Furtado did
Nelly told Britain's Daily Mirror newspaper: "I didn't really like the American lifestyle. It's leaning to the fascist side."

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/1682004.htm
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Kitka Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:27 PM
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11. I heart Nelly Furtado.
She's beautiful, intelligent, and talented. And observant.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:15 PM
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4. Some representative called the administration "crypto-fascist".
It was at a Democratic Socialists of a America dinner. I can't remember who.

I disagree with the characterization, however.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:20 PM
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5. Good question.
I don't know if it would have something to do with slander or defamation or something. There were no qualms about accusing someone of communism back in the McCarthyism days. Maybe that's why they don't. They're afraid of creating a witch hunt like has been done before.

Of course, people like Rush L. have no qualms about calling Hillary "Hitlery" and feminists "feminazis" but then again those names aren't really the truth. Everyone calling individuals in the present administration fascists might create a backlash, too. I think they're trying to remain careful. Maybe being so accusatory might bring persecution and career-ends to those who might attempt it. Why the name calling works for one side but not the other is beyond me.

Then again, if everyone called the spade a spade, the whole fascist agenda might really become full blown and out of its closet which would also be a scarier situation. I don't know.

We don't have full blown fascism right now, but it is leaning more that way than any other, IMHO.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:21 PM
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6. Robert Kennedy Jr. has this past year
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 03:35 PM by AmerDem
Robert Kennedy Jr. this past year released a book on the environment and other issues. He was banned from just about all mainstream media because he constantly referred to what we are going through now as fascism. He mentioned also that he was told point blank that he could appear to promote his book but he could in no way talk about shrub or the administration in a negative light. He chose not appear. He has been one of the few shining stars in all of this.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:26 PM
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9. We should find out who said that, and bombard them with mail
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:38 PM
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15. your hands will be doing alot of typing
apparently it was just about every media outlet people normally appear to promote books. Do a search i'm sure you will hit on some of his quotes quickly. He appeared during the summer on C-Span ( check the C-Span archives)
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:27 PM
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19. What is the title of that book?
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:22 PM
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7. i hear the word disconnect alot
I wish the Dem party would CONNECT the repub party to racism, and hatred. I read here about the biggest evangelic school in some red state has coursework defending slavery, there is a religious show called The Ramp that calls for the murder of gays and liberals (according to a post here a few days ago), leaders in the bush camp belong to religions that equate being gay with moral depravity, and so on.

The right is not afraid to use whatever slander they can cook up to degrade the Dem party. But the Dem party seems to be too timid to attack the right with the frickin truth.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:24 PM
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8. I have been asking that since I can to DU
They are fascists and I call them that every chance I get.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:26 PM
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10. It's a tricky question
What are our individual goals? I mean an elected representative has to work with Republicans. Callin them fascist might energize the base and may even contain an element of the truth, but it would certainly make it harder for him to work with these people.

Plus Elected Officials want to be reelected. Here on an internet board its easy enough to say "Well the truth is we are fascist! Should we be ashamed of telling the truth?" The equation is different for an elected representative.

Also it's not an open and shut case that America is now a fascist nation. While I can see lots of signs that point to us being a fascist nation, I can also point to aspects of our life that are less fascistic.

As for an entertainer, well, I'm sure a lot of them have called Bush a fascist and nobody gives a damn.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:28 PM
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12. Rappers have been doing this, sorta
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 03:29 PM by DireStrike
Everyone saw Mosh, I'm sure.

There was another rapper, whose name I forget, who had lyrics in one of his songs "Why did Bush have to knock down the towers?"

It plays to the ghetto meme of "the cops and the government want to get you" so they can do it more freely.
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:34 PM
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14. Jadakiss "Why" is the other song (nt)
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:32 PM
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13. Linda Ronstadt said this:
Linda Ronstadt, hummin' an outraged tune
Wed Nov 17, 6:41 AM ET

Don't get her started on the recent presidential election. "People don't realize that by voting Republican, they voted against themselves," she says. Of Iraq (news - web sites) in particular, she adds, "I worry that some people are entertained by the idea of this war. They don't know anything about the Iraqis, but they're angry and frustrated in their own lives. It's like Germany, before Hitler took over. The economy was bad and people felt kicked around. They looked for a scapegoat. Now we've got a new bunch of Hitlers."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=680&u=/usatoday/20041117/en_usatoday/lindaronstadthumminanoutragedtune&printer=1
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:13 PM
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16. Better question: When will Bush be labeled a HERETIC?
Leading Christian scholars and mainstream church people need to start labeling the kind of evangelical Christian militancy at the heart of this administration as heretical to the true meanings of the faith and destructive of Christianity.

But no one dares to label it for what it is, just as people fear to label the fascism at the core of this movement for what it is.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:16 PM
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17. I'm not in Congress, nor am I a celebrity, but I call Bush a fascist
From another post I made on DU:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because
it is a merger of state and corporate power." Mussolini

See also:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.ht...

"Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

"...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence." (these are also Mussolini's words)

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Fascism, in many respects, is an ideology of negativism: anti-liberal, anti-socialist, anti-Communist, anti-democratic, anti-egalitarian, etc., and in some of its forms anti-religion. As a political and economic system in Italy, it combined elements of corporatism, totalitarianism, nationalism, and anti-communism."

By these definitions, Bush is a fascist and that's what I call him.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:20 PM
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18. John Cusack definitely called them fascists. Look at his quote on this
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 04:24 PM by TexasChick
site:

http://showbizleftists.freeservers.com/custom.html


"Bush means Dick Cheney, Tom DeLay, and all these crypto-fascists are gonna get in and start carving up the pie and handing in all their markers to the Republican Party that's been itching to get back into power,"

"Of course it's okay for you to have everything fall apart,"
(Cusack says about Nader's showbiz supporters.) "But a lot of people have to deal with the world the way it is, and it would have been a lot less brutal for some people with Gore than it will be now under Bush. ... I'm not saying I loved Gore. But I'm saying I don't want that (bleep) Bush in the White House."

- Quoted in June 2002 issue of Details magazine

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