Good News on Outsourcing jobs to India --- No programmers.. hehehe

A guy with my contracting firm just returned from India and tells some funny things.... They do not have the people to fill the jobs that companies are moving to India. He lives one of the high tech cities where IBM and Oracle are building big building. Just they do not have the people to fill them.

He talked about walk in interviews with companies. Basically if you can spell C you have a job.

He has no plans to go back to India, he likes the money he is making in the US. I would bet dollars to donuts that very few Indians want to move back unless they are forced to.

The other problem, IMHO, will be what happened in the 80s and 90s in the US, only IMHO worse. Job jumping. If they are paying the "low cost" programmer $10,000 per year at company A, and new company B opens up, they will be offering $12-13000 per year. And so starts the cycle. In the mean time the US company just sees labor costs going up and quality going down... heheehehehehehe

Another point was the "company bus" to work. With all the new high tech companies moving to "open" areas, they have to bus their employees from the city to the office.

Sure a new "Indian made" very small car only costs $5,000, and sure like he said, he could drink beer all night for $10. If you take a $12,000 per year Indian job, that $5,000 car is almost 1/2 a years pay. And they are not equal to a $30,000 car in the US, assuming you are making $60,000 per year here.

A lot of the country doesn't even have electricity.

says the woman whose job was outsourced to an Indian call center

The Indian govt is building new roads for these corporate building and they will want them fill with tax payers. Problem being not only are there less and less of programmers, the US just opened the H2B visa for more of them to come to the US.

Mmmmmm. Your tax payers are taking jobs in the US where they do not pay taxes to India, and you and IBM have spent $$$$ to open buildings and roads for programmers that you do not have... Mmmmmm this could get interesting.

http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html

Click on the one called tech support.

*Warning* there is bad language

over proprietary and private information being spread about*, I think some companies are reconsidering the "benefit" of moving these jobs overseas.


*One story I recall was over a file clerk in India who hadn't been paid by the subcontractor. The information that had been shipped overseas for data management was patient files from a large medical center. She threatened to publish the private info if they didn't get paid pronto.

signed,
A person who wants a programming job in America

The quality of life at a tenth of European or American cost is considerably better in India.

Foreigners cannot understand that until they stay there for a few years.

Again, programmers of quality are available all around the country but they have not and will not converge on where the outsourcers want to go. This mobility is not something that can be expected.

What you are seeing is a very limited view of the outsourcing issue. The more sensible companies know that in India you take the job to where the programmers are, not the other way around.

Indian companies such as WIPRO, Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys, have no major problem getting the staff they require.

If I wanted to start a company I could give you 50000 programmers of top quality in less than a month - but not at the location that you may want but at a location which I know has the resource and at a price I know is fair for the Indian Standard and Cost of living and meeting all the strict labour laws that exist!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

an Indian that just got back from traveling around the country. Mmmmm. Where in India are you?

who is on a continual basis associated with several types of major business ventures operating all over India!!

I am in touch with over 15000 Indians of every level from Chairmen and MDs to ordinary students and engineers, from every part of India on a day-to-day basis!!

Also, I wonder if you had ever heard of some Indian companies as MRF (almost 60 years old), Malayala Manorama (over 115 years old), the MM Group of Companies which are my family owned ventures?

http://koti.netplaza.fi/~findians/granddad.html

Further I am international promotor and coordinator for my alma maters

St. Stephen's College, Delhi
http://koti.netplaza.fi/~jmatthan/katy1.html

where Montek Singh Alhuwalia (present Advisor to the Prime Minister of India) is my classmate, Swaminathan Aiyar, who writes for Economic Times, Mani Shankar Aiyar and Arun Shourie, (both of known political fame), etc are all my batchmates

Cathedral & John Connon School, Mumbai
http://koti.netplaza.fi/~jmatthan/sevven1.html

where Rahul Bajaj (Bajaj Auto), Yoko Hamid (Cipla), Ashok and Anil Ruia (Ruia Enterprises) etc. are some of my schoolmates,

Also I am closely associated with a contemporary, the Moderator of the South Asian Jornalists Forum in the USA, a professor of New Media Journalism in Columbia University, and several members of this group, including several economists, all over the world, and, maybe my biodata....

http://koti.netplaza.fi/~findians/jmbiodata.html
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Also, you would be advised to read the article which appeared in the Economic Times "of today" about Bangalore and Hyderabad being displaced by other centres in the IT outsourcing game. This already happened to those in the know a couple of years ago!!

So, maybe, being an analyst by profession, I may know just a little more than someone who toured India just a few days ago...

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

I don't mean that to sound as racist as it probably does, but I know a bunch of great programmers from India who are over here working. Thing is, they make a lot more money here and most want to "go home rich and retire" there. They're not going to be running back to India to make the money they are going to pay in India. They like our wage scales as much as we do.