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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 05:13 AM
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There seems to be a lot of long faces concerning Tenet taking the fall. Look, its not going to end in a single stroke. Its going to take a lot of work. This from the beginning was a mistake on their part. But the treasure was never Tenet. It was the intel community. Condi would not have fingered Tenet if they did not already have the path mapped. Tenet's speech was already written this morning.

The reason to be excited is that the BFEE is making mistakes. They are losing their cover. They have been put into defense. The key event today was the further alienation of the intelligence community. Bush has abused them one time too many. Tenet may be a patsie but the 1000s of CIA agents that love their country may not be. The truth is going to come out.

What can we do? We have to keep the pressure on Bush. We have to keep the outrage building. The shield has cracked. We have to force more mistakes. We need to keep them pressed up against the wall and in defense mode.

Bush has a temper. The more pressed he becomes the more likely he will go off script. Remember this is the man that called a reporter a son of a bitch in front of his family. We need to make him sweat. He is the weakest link.

We won a battle today. Bush's credibility took a hit today it will not recover from. A series of events were set in motion. It did not end with Tenet's statement. They are now in damage control mode and their efforts so far have forced them to make mistakes. The wheels are coming off. Keep pushing.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:01 PM
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1. Az
two thumbs up as usual.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:02 PM
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2. The next question
We should all demand the answer to ONE question next: "Who insisted that that line be included in the SOTU?" The answer to that single question is of paramount importance in deconstructing this web of lies.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:06 PM
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5. The real question
Who provided Bush Inc with the British Intel? Remember part of what they are hitching Bush's name to is that he said it was British Intel that they were basing it on. But who provides Bush with British Intel? Do we have a British rep advising Bush? If not then such information likely came through our own Intel community. Thus the dodge becomes the lie. The CIA knew the docs were fraudulent. They would not pass British intel based on the same source.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:31 PM
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12. Those are good questions...
...and they need to be answered...eventually. However, I think that we need to find out who INSISTED that that line be in the SOTU. It is a simple question, that is understandable to almost anyone. * will also try to dodge, but will eventually have to give a name. Once that person is caught, then additional answers can be demanded.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:02 PM
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3. First order of business
Is Tenet losing his job? If not, perhaps he should.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:07 PM
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6. Good points
Keep up the pressure on Bush and he will pop.

Nixon won in a landslide in '72, and a year later he was gone because he lied and then tried to cover up the lie.

Bush has now been tarred with the liar label and that is very hard to wash off.

People really hate being lied to, for whatever reason. When that reason sends their sons and daughters off to die in the desert, they will finally take notice.

Bush's credibility is shot. The bastard's put us all at great risk just to pursue his oil empire.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:38 PM
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13. Nixon didn't resign until August of 1974
However, this is starting to look like Watergate (though I'm convinced it will be much bigger). Nixon kept throwing people over the side thinking each one would be the last sacrifice and the whole mess would go away.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 12:25 AM
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16. xray - this has Watergate written all over it! eom
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:09 PM
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7. Actually, I was watching cable this late afternoon and evening
and Tenet's statement did NOT take the pressure off Bush at all. I was stunned to hear Andrea Mitchell TWICE say these words (two separate segments, or the same one played twice): "Tenet fell on his sword." That's unheard of.

Now, a lot can happen between now and Monday, but I didn't see many people (except Repug robots, of course) who were mollified by Tenet's "revelation."

Eloriel
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:09 PM
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8. Az, which reporter did Bu$h call a SOB? In front of the reporter's family?
I must have missed that one. I know Bu$h told Cheney that Adam Clymer was a "major-league asshole" over an open michrophone during the 2000 campaign. I saw Clymer a few months later in a Boston airport news stand. In fact, he ended up on my shuttle flight to DCA. I walked up to him at the news stand, introduced myself, and told him what I thought of Bu$h's "asshole" statement and how much I enjoyed reading his - Clymer's - byline. I now have a friend for life in Adam Clymer.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:10 PM
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9. This was from his Texas days
The story comes by way of Molly Ivans.
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:15 PM
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10. I think I read it in Fortunate Son
Is this where the reporter later said he had no idea why Shrub had attacked him? For writing something bad about Poopy that he couldn't remember.

I did notice the typo. But I wondered about whether to correct it or not.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:31 PM
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11. Al Hunt, his wife (Judy Woodruff) and son...
... were eating lunch. Hunt had just written a rather inoffensive column suggesting who might be the frontrunner in the 1988 campaign, and did not mention G.H.W. Bush (the elder Bush at that time had not yet even filed as a candidate). Bush spotted them, went to their table and announced, approximately, "you fucking sonofabitch, I'm never gonna forget this" and then stormed off.

This man is now our pResident....
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:57 PM
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14. Bush is a failure... that'll do him in
If I'm right, and the man is an egomaniacal sociopath with delusions of grandeur; the one thing that will crack him is to be labeled as a failure. Being a liar is part of being a failure, especially since part of his delusion is that of an honest Christian man. In addition, with his current sandbagging of Tenet, it becomes apparent that he didn't participate in his own State of the Union Address. He not only doesn't know what took place when putting together HIS State of the Union Address, he blames others when the facts of it are wrong.

Not stupid. He scoffs at stupid.

Failure. He cannot stand to be seen as a failure.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 12:24 AM
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15. AZ - you are so right! eom
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