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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 06:25 AM Original message |
Christian Torture Devices |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. Apologies to an earlier thread |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. "If I only had a heart." |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. Ever read those old stories on what they did? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Why should you care where I stand? |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Smearing people of today with 400-year-old information |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You have no idea what I worship |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. It's obvious. |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I have defended nothing here except current Christianity |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. "Current" Christianity? |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I have made it clear before |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. So true |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Of course Christianity changes |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The Christian message is immutable. |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Belief in Christ is immutable |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Belief is mutable. Even Christ's beliefs were tested. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. I talked to a Christian once who professed Christ attacked others |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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Fifth of Five (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
46. I may be wrong, but |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #46 |
118. Thank you for injecting sanity and reason in this thread |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. It's 400 years ago |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You are distorting the message and defending the torturers of today. |
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AliciaKeyedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I didn't distort any message and I didn't defend any torturers |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
88. The Catholic Church was complicit in the deportation of Jews |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:34 AM Original message |
and some jews and some synogogues were also complicit... |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
101. The Vatican collaborated with the Ustashe (pro-Nazi Croats) |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:55 AM Response to Reply #101 |
110. That is one viewpoint of what the vatican did... |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
107. Offense comes easy to the self-righteous. |
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davidwhite0570 (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
5. so this is the compassionate christianity i've been |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
6. Rumsfeld Iron Maiden question |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. When I heard Rumsfeld say that about Abu Ghraib... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Replacing "Christian" with "inquisition" would avoid this argument. |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 07:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. But, it is called "The Christian Inquisition." |
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Branjor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
40. The Inquisition..... |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
26. Thanks for sharing these, Indigobiz |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Thank you. |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Hell yes |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:48 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Smells like |
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America is great (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
30. Maybe this liberal Christian is at the wrong place |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:35 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Helluva thread for your first post. |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Some of us follow Christ |
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America is great (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Abu Ghraid ??? |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Did any of yours fight there, my friend? |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:45 AM Original message |
For a clear picture, read Sy Hersch's book. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Bear in mind Abu Ghraib was AMERICAN torture. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Nah. |
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America is great (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Really? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Sorry. |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. You obviously haven't read the thread, |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
68. Actually I have read the thread... |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. Nailed it! n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:38 AM Response to Reply #68 |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:48 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. I'm only trying to clarify my position. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #103 |
114. Evidently you consider my criticism valid and germane |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Point out the name-calling on this thread. |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. This in NOT about Christians. It is about using Christianity for evil |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Then you shouldn't have titled it "Christian Torture Devices" |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #30 |
57. "America is a Christian Nation" |
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America is great (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #57 |
70. There is zero value in this post |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:46 AM Response to Reply #70 |
99. you act as if christianity is not used for evil puposes today? |
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America is great (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Says you. |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
111. Uuuuuhhhhhhh |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:05 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. I agree and it's pissing me off today! n/t |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
63. Agreed. Something tells me that such torture devices |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
105. Because. |
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goodboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
31. I saw all those and more at the Torture Museum in Amsterdam |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
32. Ah yes, the good ol' days! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 08:57 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. So tell us what you are doing to change Christianity? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #51 |
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America is great (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I could not have said it better myself! Great post! |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. This is about the undeniable history of Christianity. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. It's about your undeniable anger at Christianity n/t |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. My anger is with the abuse of Christianity. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:47 AM Response to Reply #71 |
100. On that we can agree! |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:50 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. That's the whole point |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Yet you claim the same title, the same gods and the same bible? |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:15 AM Original message |
I defend my religion from zealots right and left |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
78. Could you just answer my question then? |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #78 |
115. Excellent post, Cronus |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. So now he who titled his thread "Christian Torture Devices" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #64 |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. They are Christian Torture Devices. They were developed by |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
56. it is funny how those who would declare this is a christian nation |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. My objections to this thread have nothing to do with what you say |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #62 |
73. you would like it better if the title was |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:21 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. It would be a more accurate thread |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. another question if you don't mind |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:54 AM Response to Reply #85 |
109. I think some people on the left and even the right |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:18 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. TheContext is clarified in the thread, it was not meant to be inflammatory |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:21 AM Response to Reply #74 |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #86 |
96. I'm ranting?................... |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
72. hot damn...nothing like a good flame war in the morning to |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:20 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. No, Christianity did not. But, those abusing Christianity, did. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. But titling your post the way you did |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. The title was accurate |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. From your keyboard |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:28 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Shouldn't you be out |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I'm here slaying them! n/t |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:33 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. You are waging the wrong war... |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:34 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Indigo.............. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Thanks Prodigal |
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shockra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
91. The End of Faith author... |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #91 |
116. I don't think Christianity or Islam is about violence. |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
97. Non christian torture devices...currently being used NOW..not 400 yrs ago. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:48 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Good post! n/t |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:52 AM Response to Reply #97 |
106. You realize Kerik made millions on stun-gun options, |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Yes, and Kerik is an example of a corrupt minion of * |
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RUDUing2 (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #106 |
113. so? how does that invalidate the post...I posted examples of |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that, at all. |
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Moderator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-04 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
119. Locking. |
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