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wlubin Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 04:43 PM
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Ukraine Election
I recall hearing somewhere that the US had its hands in on the uprising after the Ukraine election. I heard they funded it, etc..... Can someone inform me/us on the details of this, and what we know about the US involvement here. Can this have been planed by the US in anticipation that there would be questions about our election so as to make it appear that these questions were unfounded based on the appearance that the US cares a great deal about fair elections, by virtue of their actions in the Ukraine?????
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 05:15 PM
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1. The Bush regime supported the first winner - supposedly they were
involved in the counter-demonstrations by the citizens who live in the east. The regime is with Putin who is more connected to east Ukraine.
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wlubin Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 05:19 PM
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2. I thought i heard they funded the protesters who protested the results of
the election.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 05:28 PM
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3. I've understood the counter-demonstrations failed because
when the people from the west met the people from the east at the frontline of the demonstrations, talking ensued, and one thing led to another.
That is to say, the violent confrontation between east and west that certain powers might have hoped for didn't take place.
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wlubin Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 06:20 PM
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4. Ok, so the usa funded a counter to the protesters who were protesting
the results of the election? In that case that is kind of evil on our part.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:24 PM
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7. Funded the protestors praying that violence would erupt
Remember how the media kept telling us for days that violence was about to erupt, violence was about to erupt and yet we had eye-witnesses telling us that there was no indication of any such thing except in the US' dreams.

The whole thing was rather... odd.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:15 PM
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5. they care nothing about the ukraine
only insofar as the diplomatic guys would like to see russia's plans stymied, the busheviks only consideration is that if a fraudulent election can be overturned in ukraine, by public action, then that proves the bush election valid (there's no public protests etc) Most of what the busheviks do is mainly cosmetic ie highlighted by media whores, so they must have seen ukraine election problems as an opportunity to further the con that is the bush admministration (in fact, mr yushchenko is a liberal who will pull ukraine's troops out of iraq)...the busheviks remind me of thieves who must try to hide the loot while everybodys watching them, and the sherrif/posse just coming into view!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:20 PM
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6. We did fund it, through the NED
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 07:22 PM by Tinoire
that had been furiously working at destabilizing the former Soviet Union and is still working to marginalize Russia.

The first & premier enemy of those neocons in power is - Russia.

What the West needs in Ukraine is someone who will open it up to corporate interests. Another Boris Yelt'sin. They think they've found that in Yushchenko who has ties to the same oligarchs/mafia Putin has been throwing in jail.

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Bush Adminstration Spent $65 Million to Help Opposition in Ukraine

December 10, 2004

By: Matt Kelley
Associated Press

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WASHINGTON - The Bush administration has spent more than $65 million in the past two years to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite exit polls indicating he won last month's disputed runoff election.

(snip)

But officials acknowledge some of the money helped train groups and individuals opposed to the Russian-backed government candidate — people who now call themselves part of the Orange revolution.

For example, one group that got grants through U.S.-funded foundations is the Center for Political and Legal Reforms, whose Web site has a link to Yushchenko's home page under the heading "partners." Another project funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development brought a Center for Political and Legal Reforms official to Washington last year for a three-week training session on political advocacy.

(snip)
The four foundations involved included three funded by the U.S. government: The National Endowment for Democracy, which gets its money directly from Congress; the Eurasia Foundation, which gets money from the State Department, and the Renaissance Foundation, part of a network of charities funded by billionaire George Soros that gets money from the State Department. Other countries involved included Great Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

Grants from groups funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development also went to the International Center for Policy Studies, a think tank that includes Yushchenko on its supervisory board. The board also includes several current or former advisers to Kuchma, however.

IRI, Craner's Republican-backed group, used U.S. money to help Yushchenko arrange meetings with Vice President Dick Cheney , Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage and GOP leaders in Congress in February 2003.

(snip)

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10108&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported



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(snip)

the U.S. government, through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), granted millions of dollars to the Poland-America-Ukraine Cooperation Initiative (PAUCI), which is administered by the U.S.-based Freedom House.

PAUCI then sent U.S. government funds to numerous Ukrainian non-governmental organizations (NGOs). This would be bad enough and would in itself constitute meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. But, what is worse is that many of these grantee organizations in Ukraine are blatantly in favor of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko.

Consider the Ukrainian NGO International Center for Policy Studies. It is an organization funded by the U.S. government through PAUCI. On its Web site, we discover that this NGO was founded by George Soros' Open Society Institute. And further on we can see that Viktor Yushchenko himself sits on the advisory board!

(reluctant snip)

This May, the Virginia-based private management consultancy Development Associates, Inc., was awarded $100 million by the U.S. government "for strengthening national legislatures and other deliberative bodies worldwide." According to the organization's Web site, several million dollars from this went to Ukraine in advance of the elections.

(snip)

http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=4135
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THE ELECTION crisis in Ukraine highlighted once again how much the mainstream media reads straight from the White House script.

Still breathless from cheerleading the destruction of Falluja, the media fell right in line with the administration, portraying the standoff as a Cold War-style battle between a Russian-sponsored authoritarian, Viktor Yanukovich, and the Western-backed democrat, Viktor Yushchenko.

Journalists failed to mention that the supposed Moscow puppet, Yanukovich, did Bush’s bidding last year by dispatching Ukrainian troops to Iraq. The same newspapers that ignore or deride protesters in the U.S. enthused over mass demonstrations in Kiev staged by supporters of Yushchenko.

They dutifully repeated Bush’s pronouncement that the upcoming election rerun “ought to be free from any foreign influence." Someone at the White House forgot to tell Republican Sen. John McCain, who chairs the International Republican Institute, and former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, his counterpart at the National Democratic Institute. Both outfits--which are part of the government-funded National Endowment for Democracy--were active in Ukraine supporting Yushchenko’s candidacy.

(snip)

There’s no doubt that supporters of the Russian-backed Yanukovich stole the November 21 runoff election. But for all his opposition imagery, Yushchenko is a status quo politician--which in Ukraine means being an insider with ties to superrich “oligarchs” like Yulia Tymoshenko, who became wealthy through corrupt privatization of state-owned industry following the collapse of the former USSR in 1991.

(snip)

http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/523/523_03_Ukraine.shtml
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:08 PM
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8. I'd like to see some of the info from your post...
..reported on CNN/MSNBC/CBS...somewhere...but alas.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 01:13 AM
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9. K sozhaleniyu oni ne khotyat govorit' ob etom
Edited on Mon Dec-27-04 01:23 AM by Tinoire
Sorry for the rustiness.

This is the kind of stuff they never report because the corporate media in this country does the government's total bidding.

Abu Chraib? Barely a word.

The NED instigating that coup in Venezuela? Not a peep.

What we backed in Haiti? Not one word.

War crimes in Iraq? Not happening.

The NED meddling in other country's politics to place the most Western friendly politicians who will sell their country for a few barrels of whiskey the way Yeltsin did? Never happened.

Mind you, I am not backing Putin on this. But I am also not backing Bush's man. A German friend of mine told me that Germany has already been wheeling and dealing with Yushchenko to but up a lot of the utility companies. Ouch.

And anything Soros is involved in stinks. He's been trying to get Yushchenko in there since 2001.



March 02, 2001

Soros calls on Kuchma to step aside, make way for Yushchenko
Ukrainian News

KYIV, Mar. 2 (Ukrainian News) - Major international financier George Soros in a letter published by the Financial Times on Friday called on President Leonid Kuchma to step aside pending the outcome of an official investigation into the murder of journalist Georgy Gongadze.
In his letter, entitled "Step Aside, Mr. Kuchma," Soros calls on Kuchma to hand over his duties to Prime Minister Viktor Yushchenko while the investigation into Gongadze’s murder goes forward.

State prosecutors ruled Gongadze’s death a murder this week after DNA tests showed a 99.9 percent probability that a headless body found in the outskirts of Kyiv last November belonged to the journalist.

The letter from Soros is the latest in high-profile appeals that Ukraine clean up its act with respect to democracy, the rule of law and press freedom.

U.S. President George W. Bush on Friday also sent a sharply-worded verbal message to Ukraine, delivered by United States ambassador to Ukraine Carlos Pasqual.

In the message, the U.S. warns Ukraine that the financial aid that the U.S. has been doling out to the economically-strained ex-Soviet state since it gained independence was at risk due to repressive measures by Ukrainian authorities against democratic processes.

(snip)

http://www.brama.com/survey/messages/7549.html


Who does Soros thinks he is, not only telling the president of a country to step down, but telling him, who should take over?

Soros thinks he owns Ukraine. It's Soros against Putin, not "democracy against communism". By his own admission, he spent millions of dollars to get Yushchenko in. I think he's
getting waaaay too involved in the Sovereignty of nations. Georgia & other countries come to mind.

==

Soros gets splattered in Ukraine
31 March, 2004



The billionaire philanthropist George Soros got a wet reception in Ukraine when two young men threw water and mayonnaise at him.
The incident happened at a human rights conference in the capital, Kiev.

The two men were immediately arrested by the police. The radical nationalist group Bratstvo (Brotherhood) claimed responsibility for the attack.

The group accused Mr Soros of trying to repeat in Ukraine the Georgia-type "velvet revolution" of last November.


Some critics have suggested that Mr Soros' Open Society Institute played a role in the ouster of Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze, who was forced resigned amid mass public protests.

(snip)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3588115.stm

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(snip) the reason of attention and interest of Soros in taking control over Georgia must be in acquiring control over Georgian transit of oil.

The author points out that Soros also is interested in power sector situation in Ukraine. Its Foundation financed a number of projects aimed at hindering Russian-Ukrainian negotiations related to the oil-pipe line "Odessa-Brody", in order to enable the privatization of such oil-pipe line by Soros.

The author says that regardless of the critics by Bush of Soros activities, their interests and acts in post-Soviet countries are the same.

The author summarizes the agenda of Soros visit to Ukraine: meetings with authorities in Crimea, participation in the human rights round table in Kyiv, meetings with leaders of Ukrainian opposition, inspection of activities of IRF (author lists NGOs, which are well-known in Ukraine and financed by IRF). The author is worried about the initiative of international donor organizations (USAID, IRF, NDI, IRI, Eurasia Foundation, Ch.S.Mott Foundation, Development Associates Inc.), which offer to create "Uniform Settlement Chamber for Supporting Grant Programs in respect of Elections - 2004 ðîêó". The author believes that such initiative seriously breaches Ukrainian legislation and is an interference by foreign countries with internal policy of Ukraine. The author says that the computer system of calculation of votes, which was created on the basis of foreign capital and used at elections in Serbia and Georgia, intentionally delayed the process of calculation of votes that led to dissatisfaction of voters, which in its turn resulted in revolution. That is why the author believes that similar initiative in Ukraine is a specially planned campaign aimed at changing the ruling regime in Ukraine. The author calls the General Procurator’s Office and other state bodies for preventing the interference of “philanthropists” with domestic affairs of the sovereign country.

http://www.civicua.org/soros/en/article26-03-2004.html
http://www.temnik.com.ua/site/ (for the original article)

What's that about resources in Ukraine? Oil resources? This must come as a shock to Soros and to Bush.
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 04:43 PM
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10. Well, best of luck to Ukraine, Yeltsin was the worst thing to happen...
...to Russia since WWII. He threw the country into a black hole, by having his friends rob it blind. If this guy is half as talented at Yeltsin was, I'm afraid the average Ukrainian Joe Schmoshenko won't enjoy better times for many years.

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