Have you met anyone who has voted for W?

And has had a valid reason as to why they did? (This question is only for those NOT related to G.W. Bush and or are employed by his administration).

I'm conducting a survey on the level of retardedness amongst people who voted for W. Thanks for your input!

The reasons cited include ..

1) 'I just didn't like Kerry' (that's a good reason to send the Country straight to Hell),

2) 'As long as Bush is in office, there will be peace (What peace? Last I checked we were at War), and ...

3) 'Bush is a man of God (as if Kerry did not attend mass every week, or have a record of 30 years of public service).

Nope, no valid reason here.

They have money and own businesses and live in a complete state of denial. Worse yet, many are completely aware and still love what the US is doing.

Outsource the dirty work to little brown people and send the kids to boarding schools and party and wine and dine and live in a fantasy built on blood.

I may have to add a subcategory to my study... retarded / evil tendencies.

...on medical and business law suits. Totally dumb reason, but that's what they claimed they wanted so they voted for Bush.

bush's plan to do what they believe he's going to do....

However, these same fools hire people to cheat the system and are THE major, if not the ONLY reason of rising health care costs. As far as I'm concerned doctors have become so greedy, they have no desire whatsoever to help anyone unless they can make them rich! The medical professional of today is as dirty as the CEO of any major corporation in this society. More and more of the people who work for them are realizing this. Having a little old lady cry in your ear because the doctor you work for tried, and failed, to cheat the system so he could perform an unnecessary test which payed him the big bucks, makes one sit up and take notice of what is really causing our health care crisis.

My close friend who voted for President Bush had to dance through five different kinds of hoops--but the real answer was President Bush was Republican and he was Republican--so he voted for Bush.

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but then again I can't say he had a valid reason. I think he wants to be one of the rich folks and make sure people know he's not a "damn liberal".

:shrug:

perhaps we can have an intervention before the next election...

why an amateur with a butcher knife and a kitchen table is preferable to a doctor in a clean clinic.

in his first term. Why should your neighbor expect things to be different in the next four years?

I wonder when the anti-choice crowd is going to figure this out. Since I've been alive, we've had Republican presidents, not one of which has "outlawed" abortion.

I think Republicans are banking on this stance for the next fifty years without actually DOING anything about it.

One of the justices is undergoing treatment for cancer and the rumor is that at least two others will retire soon.

Plus, it'll give him more of a chance to fill government leadership with anti-science, anti-fact goons like the one at FDA who says women should just pray away endometriosis.

two were appointed by Clinton, and one was appointed by Ford. The others were appointed by Reagan or George H W Bush. If voting for a Republican will cause RvW to be overturned... So far, it hasn't worked.

W might make it a priority. After all, he doesn't need the issue any more; he can't get elected again. (But if someone voting on the issue of abortion uses this logic, then that someone knows that abortion is an issue Republicans don't want resolved. Which is why they won't compromise on it.)

Why is it that abortions increased under Reagan and Bush I, collapsed sharply under Clinton, and then returned to the high pre-Clinton levels under Dubya?

Republicans say they'll ban abortion, so these "pro-lifers" vote for them, never realizing that their economic policies result in more women choosing to have an abortion.

I would think she of all people would know the real numbers.

him to the wall was that he felt like his taxes would certainly be lower. he also wants his social security money himself.
but he also did the flip flop, know how * stands , fighting thee terrorists over there arguements. but really, it came down to greed. more $$ for him!
he did not know what to say when we talked about the huge budget deficit except that the war is the reason. i think he wants to bankrupt the govt (or at least the social services part of it).

Mostly these reasons:
1. they're Republicans and GW Bush was Repub candidate
2. they didn't like or trust Kerry
3. Bush was least objectionable candidate
4. no NOTA choice on ballot

these are NOT valid reasons

They can trust Chimp to continue to tank the economy, pursue reckless and dangerous foreign policy, stretch our military to the breaking point, spill blood and limbs in Iraq, reward his fatcat buddies, undermine our rights, etc. etc...

But he's "least objectionable," and they don't trust Kerry!! Don't trust Kerry to do WHAT?? What could possibly be worse than anything the Chimp has done already??

(Btw I believe the question was about "valid" reasons. I think we already know there are complete idiots out there.)

doing so.

for different reasons. But one of the reasons most given the fact that John Edwards is a trial attorney. We're all MD's, some surgeons, some psychiatrists and alot of GP's and OBGYN's. It's been very difficult for OBGYN's, with all the lawsuits, to keep malpractice insurance. It's putting many out of business. We've successfully voted in some malpractice law that makes it harder for people with frivolous lawsuits to sue but, in my state, there was incredible lobbying against Edwards/Kerry because of that. It was more Edwards they voted against, not Kerry. This state will never support a trial lawyer for pres/VP. Never happen. Me, I'm a fairly new doctor(10 years) and voted for Kerry. Out of 279 MD's there were 5 of us who voted for Kerry!

ask them to define Bush's plan for tort reform....

Don't go back until Wednesday, but I'll ask. Thanks.

MIGHT have something to do with the pay scale for the top execs in the industry...or the marketing budgets?

just askin'

in itself reduce the chance of caps on jury awards is an MD I wouldn't want treating me or my family. This is just stupid, to think that Bush and his masters will do anything positive for health care in this country. If the docs and nurses in your shop are voting Republican, they must be consumed with greed or ignorance.

You sure do work with some very ill-informed, tunnel vision, self-focussed medical practitioners.Hope I never have the misfortune of needing their ministrations - no chance of full recovery. They need to get out in the world more.

Has malpractice insurance become less expensive? No. But our little governor still gets lots of contributions from his buddies in the insurance companies.

I'm at the tail end of an MPH program in the Northwest. Many of my classmates have been physicians- I'm guessing over the last 2 years, I've probably spoken with 50 or 60 in various policy classes. It amazed me (coming from a legal background) just how incredibly ignorant most of them were about public policy and law.

Last term, I had a healthcare law and regulations class- and the prof had to basically take the entire first 3 1/2 hour lecture to go over high school civics.I kid you not. Unbelievably clueless. This continued throughout the course- which actually had to be dumbed down to the point where I felt a little gypped.

The same thing held true in my healthcare economics class. Most of the docs had trouble with basic priciples of microeconomics. I mean- really simple stuff.

I now see physicians in a new light- and I've become careful about how I talk to them- otherwise I get "the look."

While the vast majority are extremely capable in their specialties or with most areas of biological science- they're great with epidemiology and biometrics, for example, but if they're put in other contexts, they have difficulty hanging. I think this reflects on the type of education that they recieve pre-med and the intense focus of med school.

In addition, I think that having an MD breeds a bit of arrogance- and possibly some fear of looking foolish by asking questions that others with broader backgrounds would have less trouble asking.

All told, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that practicing physicians fall for some of the irrational right wing propaganda. They actually don't know any better and most don't have the time, inclination or quite frankly the background to gain an honest understanding of all too many issues.

I know quite a few physicians, as well. It seems that some of those educated outside the USA have a broader educational background.

US Med students of the past are evaluated on their academic prowess, and not necessarily from a global academic perspective.

Pre-med students, IIRC aren't required to take higher math, economics, or in depth social sciences(unless it's a minor), and if they do, not even thought of as a make or break for admittance criteria.

That is a reason why we are seeing some of the ills in medical practice now -- inability to relate to patients of different ethnic backgrounds, inability to deal with elderly, terminally ill patients, misdiagnosis, and have are clueless on how to be patient advocates and dealing with political infrastructure, and the insurance companies.

I can't say that today's med school education is the direct source of these problems, but daresay it's a contributor.

my neighbor and long time friend. He's a postman, a VN vet with 7 kids. Very Catholic so a big issue was abortion, tho I tried my best to show him the problem with that reasoning. But it was mostly because * started the war and he was certain that if kept in office he would finish it. He told me Kerry would make it much worse. Find any answers there? I'm thinkin, too much drugs back in the 70's.

They were both convinced that W would lower taxes and, since my mom's nearing retirement age, their focus really was monetary and they don't believe the war is wrong, either. So that didn't detract from the taxes issue.

I don't know if its a valid reason, but it's the one they stuck to from day 1.

for moral reasons. But they didn't. My dad is soon to retire. He owned and operated a small trucking business. They vote Democrat because the democratic party is the party of small businesses.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

They wanted lower taxes and are "pro-life". I asked them how are they going to have lower taxes and pay for these wars. I then told them about the budget defecit and the increasing national debt. Didn't matter, they just want lower taxes.

It's all about taxes, and "you don't change leaders in the middle of a war."

:eyes:

Taxes and "You don't change leaders in the middle of a WAR."

Also Kerry came back and bad-mouthed the Vietnam soldiers. The swiftys were effective.

Oh well, you reap what you sow.

I live in a republican stronghold. They vote for * for a variety of reasons:

*as "christians," they feel it is their duty. Somehow, a vast number of christians believe * is on the side of christians, and that he is defending the U.S. as a "christian nation." Where they are getting that, I don't know, unless they hear it from the pulpit. Surely not. :eyes:

*this is a defense-industry dependent area. They're counting on defense contracts. And they equate "supporting troops" with supporting the war, so they feel that democrats don't "support the troops;" apparently, they didn't listen or credit Kerry's war message.

*they are nationalists, and easily whipped into nationalistic frenzy by international relations.

*they are "pro-business," ie pro-corporation. They are heavy into "competition," on the sporting field, in the business arena, the public education arena, etc.; they are addicted to the adrenaline rush they get from "competing," or going into battle. They have to compete with the world.

*they are pro tax-cuts. They are sure that the government wastes all their tax dollars, and that all liberals/democrats etc. are unemployed bums living off of welfare.

*they believe all the propaganda they've heard 24/7 from American corporate media about how terrible and dangerous liberals are, how they don't love America, how they are out to get our freedoms, how they are traitors, godless, etc. etc. etc.....

"Democrats want to ban guns". Heard that several times.

In the month before the invasion of Iraq, I gathered with about a dozen other peace-loving individuals on the corners of a particularly well-traveled intersection in my community. We held signs calling for peace. There is a long wait at the light; it's a busy intersection. I noticed many people who stared straight ahead, never looked our way, but flashed us a quick, unobtrusive peace sign when the light changed and they could escape. They didn't want their agreement to be noted, or public. Why?

Maybe because of the people throwing things at us and screaming, at the top of their lungs, "WE NEED WAR!!!!"

Of course, they didn't need to go; they just wanted to drink beer and cheer on the sidelines. The cheerleaders, so to speak.

An extremely intellgent friend of mine who has a degree in Poli sci. He is royally ticked at Bush but still voted for him. I almost got him to vote Nader though to protest with me. We live in Ms so our votes didnt really matter. His problem with Kerry was simply that he seemed insincere when he was talking. His main concern is terrorism and getting out of Iraq. Simply thought Bush would do a better job. :shrug:

Frankly, we no longer discuss politics. We (my in-laws) are all aware of the polarization. I have no illusions of changing their minds and I'm sure they know they couldn't change mine. The issue is now avoided.

The tax cuts were very helpful for them. They are in the high brackets. I find the focus on this incredible selfish and self centered because we all know the damage it will cause in the long run.

The RW hatred of the Clinton presidency, emergence of Rush and RW radio along with Faux news have created a polarized environment where we can no longer even establish a "reality" to discuss how to deal with it.

he claims Bush is better at security

he dismissed my questions on fiscal policy, the war and the draft :shrug:

Which would pretty much match the exit polls that the higher the income, the more votes for Bush. As long as white people are convinced that being Republican = being American, Democrats are never going to win at the national level.

None. They all voted for bush the kkkristian. Why? They want Christianity to be the main religion in the US and bush gave them power.

They didn't care about the war, the deficit, social security, etc. just wanted Christian religious power.

There was a number of reasons that I heard:
- Security
- Taxes and economic policy
- They believed in W
were the main pro Bush reasons.

I also heard a lot of anti Kerry stuff too such as:
- Edwards is a trial lawyer
- Swift Boat Vets
- Kerry not believable (flip flop)

Many said that the international views did not matter. Amongst older people the Vietnam stuff really made a difference.

Most have said they could easily have voted for Democrat if we had brought forth a better candidate (in their view). Several mentioned Joe Libermann by name. None said Dean.


Not that I agree with the above, but you asked what we had heard.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

my ultra-Catholic mother

you may want to mention that to her...

the issues then Bush. If she was voting as a Catholic than by voting for Bush she voted against most of the tenents of the RCC..as laid out by the Bishops in the Guide for Informed Voting (didn't tell you who to vote for just stated the churches stances on issues..Kerry was much more in line w/about 90% of the churches stances then Bush was..so for a catholic to vote for Bush means they voted against church teaching)...maybe you should get her a copy of it...

the papal officium deems well possibly the anti-christ?

Their reasons were

Kerry supported the war but would not vote for funding of the war.
Kerry was going to take away their guns like Clinton did.
Kerry was going to raise their taxes.
Kerry was a NE Liberal
Kerry wounded himself in Vietnam.
Kerry would negotiate with terrorist.
Last but not least my favorite
Kerry would have raised the price of tomatoes to enhance his Heinz Ketchup fortune. No Shit..!!!

I would say KKKarl done his homework.

He almost made it. Whew! We're safe in NYC now.

Have they priced tomatoes lately?

The only thing that hasn't went up since * was annointed king is wages.

Bridget did you check out the link I posted about Ron Paul???

Here it is www.truthnews.com hold your nose while reading some of his commentary.The one that's a real hoot is about Bosnia and Clinton written in 2000.There are some other familiar names that you might recognize.:)

Those are the two basic reasons why my grandparents voted for him. They got a few thousand bucks back from the IRS that they didn't need, so they were pleased. The manufactured social issues like abortion and gay marriage probably helped as well.

I have an aunt that voted for him as well, basically for the same reasons I guess. Plus she seems a bit more brainwashed/misinformed by Fox News than my grandparents are.

I guess W's tax cuts were really just a voting buying scheme...

I asked a few dozen people who worked with me or my spouse why they voted for W. Most said they just liked what he said. I asked them what he said that they liked, and they usually spit out a few Republican platitudes. I asked when they had heard him say those things, and none of them could answer. I then asked every one of them if they could remember anything he specifically said. Every one of them said no. I then asked how many could even remember what his voice sounded like-- whether he had an accent, whether it was deep or high, etc.

All but a couple of them finally admitted they had never heard his voice, but that he must have said something, because everyone knew what he stood for. This was in the business community in Austin, Texas, where Bush had lived for four years.

Bush speaks with a corporate voice. Everyone around him tells their own target audience what that audience-- fundies, business folk, soldiers, southerners, whatever-- want to hear about Bush, and Bush simply makes a few pep rally comments vague enough to mean everything to every person. He won two elections in Texas without anyone knowing a damn thing about him, and he's basically tied in two elections nationally without anyone knowing anything more about him than the cartoon image the media presents.

are those who just didn't bother to vote.

No doubt there were enough Kerry voters to change the outcome who just sat home on election day.

though they swear its because we conquered iraq to show a lesson to iran. :wtf:

and it wasn't until then that he truly decided. He thought John might have done a better job ultimately with Iraq, but it was the thought of the transition between administrations with soldiers in the field that bothered him. He felt he was saving lives by leaving Bush in there, though he's not happy with Bush or the administration.

More than one has said that they didn't like Bush, but couldn't forgive Kerry for the medal toss.

I know a few who voted "for the babies" ie one issue pro-life people.

This is S. Florida, and I'm sure that there's a veritable rat's-nest of Bush voters here, because a significant percentage of the populace IS as dumb as a box of rocks. I've had trouble getting a good intellectual conversation about anything since 1962, when I went into the Marine Corps.

No, I'd rather not know. By their fruits shall I know them, anyway.

But of the few with whom I HAVE had some discussion -- no, not one had a remotely valid reason. They can't. It's impossible. There is absolutely no valid reason to vote for a republican at any time (unless, of course you actually possess porcine attributes and attitudes).

He's an spiring politician. I guess that's his motivation. He and wife then proceeded to bemoan the fact that their home had been on the market since July. In Michigan, of course, one of the worst economies now.

Generally, I don't think they care. They have enough money that the effects of * admin won't affect them to terribly.

I wanted to keep politics out of the dinner, so I didn't push the issue.

Another co-worker also voted for him. I believe for the same reasons. He and the wife have stable jobs. These people just don't realize that they voted their children's futures away. Sad.

because I couldn't stomach the inevitable political discussion that would occur.My husband said that although one of his brothers and 1 of his sister voted for Bush they were making fun of him. The reasons they voted for Bush:??? Because they couldn't vote for that big government, big spending, Massachusetts liberal, Kerry. Never mind that this government has been the most fiscally irresponsible in modern history. How can you argue with logic like that?:shrug:

that i would accept as a rational reason for voting for W. Good reasons just do not exist. IMHO

how many Democrats voted for Bush. Don't you think?

but I live in Texas so thats expected.

and most of them had selfish or fear based reasons.

Bush helps the rich, less taxes, kill terrorists etc, revenge 9/11, liberals are pussies, gay marriage etc.

Those reasons are as valid to them as mine were to vote for Kerry. The conservative echo chamber did not allow them to see the truth.

and I don't feel the least bit guilty about "borrowing" from him. I may be shiftless, but I'm not making $$$ off of death and destruction

Her main reason was that Bush "made her feel safer". The strange thing is that she was really considering voting for Kerry earlier in the year!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I mentioned that she was my girlfriend of 5 years, meaning that we are very close. I do not appreciate you personally attacking those close to me. What is with this melodramatic bullshit that all conservatives are evil and all liberals are nice? Newsflash: IT'S NOT TRUE! There are some conservatives who are good people and some liberals that are assholes. :mad:

and I will not temper it.

1)Because he is the President and so deserves respect (my 80 yr old mother-in-law in seriously deteriorating health)

2)Because he is a borne again Christian (ahhh...it is not what you DO that makes you a Christian, all one must do is say they are!)

3)Because we liked our tax cut (said by a couple as they watched their children playing in the yard....I wanted so badly to say, oh, you want your KIDS to pay for it, with interest compounded multiple multiple times...if they aren't killed in an empirialistic war first)

4)The abortion issue, over and over and over and over again. More than anything else.

My mother, my father, all the "top dogs" at the office.

All except my father voted in their own self-interest, i.e., hoping for more tax cuts. My father voted Republican because, "I'm a Republican". I haven't spoken to him since. (He's a bartender for criminey's sake!)

another brother, aunts, uncles and cousins. I'm the lone Dem in my family. My twin is an Independent. We are the only ones who voted for Kerry. The reason my family voted for the Chimp is that they are just dumb as rocks, God love 'em, but dumber than dumb.

Imagine the idiotic spew I have to listen to every single time I go to a family gathering about that righteous Chimp. :puke:

She said she voted for him because she and her husband are Republicans.

My son-in-law said he had a gut feeling and had to vote for him.

My neighbor down the street voted for him because "he's not so bad."

I am employed by an outdoors magazine and all the editors are hunters. They voted for him because they were afraid Kerry was going to try to take away their guns.

I can't see the logic in any of these reasons.

this is a trick question, I can't think of a valid reason for voting for *!

its more of a confirmation that there is no valid reason to vote for W. Unless you believe that the Planet of the Apes would be a fun place to live...

all I hear is silly RNC talking points

which surprised the hell out of me. Although he is a Republican, he is not a neo-con, cares nothing about religion, etc. Mostly just anti-taxes.

God wanted him there. Well that's a God then I don't want any part of.

I know plenty of people who voted for Bush because THEY think he was the better candidate. Of course, there's no valid reason for you or me. What bugged me is none of them wanted to hear the valid reasons for NOT voting for him!

(1)my youngest sister - only b/c "Kerry is a flip flopper" and she won't allow any discussion beyond that because it seems to physically hurt her ears - "Don't talk about it!" (2) her husband - ex military from Texas who continues to rant about Ghaddafi and how Clinton drew down the intelligence and that caused 9/11 - need I say more? (3) My "born-again" fundamentalist Catholic aunt who wrote to me "O please my dear niece don't destroy my faith in my president!" and then when visiting my family and me, refused to go out with us if I went since I worked on Kerry campaign and dared to talk about it (4)a friend on the net/mutual hobby (ex-military, anger-management-challenged) because something to the effect of "we need some hard ass mutha f*es in there right now." (5)husband of girlfriend from hicksville NH - thinks Dems strip people of rights like enforcing helmut laws for motorcycles and seatbeat laws (to which I responded well race car drivers get strapped in and so do astronauts~) and also blames Clinton for 9/11 (6)family friend at Christmas party - "I'm sick of the people on welfare."

All of the above I believe were included in the 59K Daily Mirror tally. I'm sorry but ignorance goes a long way towards making very bad choices. States in which the above live? Massachusetts, Florida, New Hampshire and Michigan.

Not that it made any difference Ñ but I don't know anyone who voted for the pathetic nincompoop.

Even my closet-Republican brother-in-law saw the light.

Here in Texas, I'm mostly in "don't ask, don't tell" mode. However, most of my friends & co-workers went for Kerry. Exceptions?

* One man is financially set to benefit from the tax cuts. As a naturalized citizen, he often criticizes his welfare-state European roots. But he hasn't burned any bridges & can return to a safe, clean country if things get ugly here. Meanwhile, he'll take the money.

* One woman whose excuse I'd call "retardedness"--if using the word that way weren't an insult to those children & adults who were dealt a bad hand but strive to improve themselves. She has always prided herself on her ignorance.

valid reasons. The Catholics voted with abortion in mind. The Baptists confidently voted for W because talk radio had convinced them Kerry was the devil; and because their churches had pushed W as a good Christian man.

Like I said ... it's just not logical.

and most of them voted against Kerry and not for Bush.

And--did you vote for Kerry?

:evilgrin:

The reasons range from idiocy and misinformation to greed and a phenomonally different world and social perspective.

Because Saddam Hussein controls Al Queda, ordered the 9-11 attack, and because he hates Jesus. Also, George Bush is a Christian family man who has morals, and John Kerry admitted to the atrocities he committed in Vietnam during those Senate hearings.

While these arguments make no sense to me, they actually did convince at least one person I know to vote for him.

I have yet to hear one valid reason for voting for *! Stupid reasons abound! I have 2 family members that voted for him. They won't even talk about why anymore. I'm sure it's because they can't stand to be told the TRUTH every time they defend Dumbya!

Usually its some FauxNews inspired talking point i.e., "Kerry is a flip-flopper!" or some emotional-based hooey like "But I just feel saaaafer with Bush in office!". Then there are the perennial faves "Bush is a man of Gawd who doesn't believe in killin' babies." or, "We shouldn't change leaders during a time of war."

As for a valid reason? Jesus Christ, there IS no valid reason to vote for a mass murdering, empire-lusting, pro-corporate, pro-offshoring, clueless about the working man, soldier wanna-be product of the most evil political monarchy of modern times. I challenge ANYone to give me a valid reason for voting for this asscunt.

My friend is a born-again Chris-tun and the reasons he gave for voting for Lancelot Link were more or less Anti-Kerry than pro-Bush. My guess is that there are a great deal like him who made their dumbassed choice and are somewhat ashamed to admit it because they, like us, know that there isn't a single solid reason to vote for him that can't be shot down like a duck over a pond.

i do know someone who knew someone who said they voted for him...and it was because they wanted a christian in the white house.

I know some maroons who voted for chimpy because "he's a godly man." Even though they disagree with everything he and his staff have done. I try reasoning. "How do you know he's a godly man? Just because he says so?"

They just get mad.

he told me, and my whole faimly, that it was a last minute decision, based upon the fact he thought Bush is doing an ok job, and he didn't think Kerry would be as tough on Terrorism as Bush.

They want less taxes. They want "programs" for the poor and disabled (me, in other words) halted. They think the government steals from the rich to give to the poor and that's wrong. They agree with the war in Iraq and say that more Iraqis would be dead now if we hadn't invaded. Most of them think Bush is a fine Christian man.

No, no good reasons.

Oh wait, my choral conductor voted for Bush because he "trusts Bush more than he trusts Saddam" and "we're stopping WW3 by invading Iraq. Saddam was like Hitler."

Um, no...still no good reasons.

that's how every * supporter I know justified their vote.

if you're pro-terrorism...

yes, it does

Most of my co-workers (believe the RW lie that government does nothing right and the unfounded fear of universal healthcare for all--I work in health insurance)

NONE of my close friends voted for George the W.

n/t

....but they wouldn't stop snarling and drooling long enough to answer any of my questions. I think I remember them grumbling something about "commies."

I do know several very smart attorneys who voted for him, as well as several very smart non-attorney professionals who voted for him and several very smart staff members who voted for him at the almost equally split (Dem/GOP) law firm that employs me.

Of course I wouldn't fucking call them RETARDED. I would call their judgement or their sense of what's important in the world quite a bit off kilter.

The only RETARDED people I know of who have anything to do with * are the ones his great state has executed.