Is it true that the Canadian Government...

is matching each donation that the citizens make to the tsunami relief fund? I heard this somewhere and was wondering if it is true.

PRovinces have also independently donated

You're the best neighbors anybody could ask for.

Why else do you think a lot of our military is going there.

Like $270 million per DAY on Iraq....

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1231-03.htm

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why do you think 45 million Americans don't have health insurance?

Edit to add: Beer does NOT cost $40/case. Plus it's better anyway.

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and anecdotal evidence that you provided is not factual evidence. Where is a link that shows that their quality of healthcare is worse than ours? The state of healthcare in the US is pitiful and expensive. Please show us some evidence instead of spouting fairy tales and bullshit.

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Anecdotal evidence does not cut it on DU, pal.

You use ONE anecdote to support a WHOLE system. Do you see the flaw in your thinking? I don't judge US Healthcare by one or two shitty hospitals in urban or rural poor areas. Show us some evidence, buddy.

You do understand that you're diatribe sounds a lot like the hospitals here in the US, don't you?

Of course, since YOU were unhappy with the service at the hospital, that means the whole healthcare service in Canada has to be scrapped, right?

And if you didn't drink so much $40 beer and smoke so many $7 cigarette packs, maybe you wouldn't be there in the first place.

a month health care insurance costs me.

advantage of a system you despise, one would think you would have done ANYTHING rather than have to be treated by a 'third world health care system'! Being there only overnight tells me it certainly wasn't critical yet YOU didn't have to wait, did you!

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had to pay anything, the health system would have covered your costs, too bad, eh!

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Americans pay MORE for HealthCare and receive LESS.

"Spending on health is $4,270 (U.S.) per capita in the U.S. and $2,250 in Canada. That's 13 per cent of the gross domestic product in the U.S. and 9.1 per cent in Canada. Despite the big difference in costs, there are only minor differences in use of services, and in health outcomes, the survey found."

http://www.misterc.ca/healthcare_canada_vs_usa.htm




Unlike you, I post FACTS with LINKS!

don't you?
Have you recovered fully from your concussion?

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Since I worked in the billing department of a hospital. You see, I can give anecdotal facts too.

...than to have nothing at all. Ask 43 Million Americans.

Give me Canadian Healthcare.

Your "anecdotal" story of someone who doesn't care for Canadian HealthCare is a minority viewpoint among Canadians.

Right now I try to decide which ailment I should try to fix when I have nothing to spend. Spending $250 for just an office visit (not counting any treatment) is really hard to do, especially when you don't know exactly what is causing the problem.

I would love to just once have a complete physical and really know whats going on with my health.

I pay 56 dollars a month for full coverage, get to choose my doctor, have been able to get immediate care when needed, have never had to wait nor have those I know who have needed care.

Your 'friends from Toronto' lied to you but, somehow, I suspect they could be bogus Canadians, eh!

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Along with every organization that has studied the situation. US health statistics show our system results in higher infant mortality rates, lower average life expectancy, and higher costs than virtually every Western Society. We are at the top of the next tier including such countries as Pakistan.

on the issues of pharmaceutical research and new technology as well as the level of inefficiency you seem to keep spouting about. As a Canadian, I KNOW our health care system, it is world's above what is laughingly called health care in your country unless you are rich, very rich.

There are waiting lists as there are in your country, the difference is that the cost of their care is taken care of and they, unlike many poor Americans, don't have to mortgage their homes to pay the bill.

We should have never given the pharmaceutical companies the additional protection based on their promise to spend more on R & D here.
Think that it may be time to reduce and change their protection period back to the way it was previously.

So what's your point? :shrug:

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I don't see them flooding our borders like Mexicans. Please provide a link that proves your BS assertion, or can you?

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the onus is on you to provide a link that backs up your claims. We're waiting! :freak:

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government programs? Most of our tax money goes to CORPORATE welfare. Medicaid, welfare, educaion and other benefits have been drastically cut and many are suffering. Given your attitudes, I'm sure there's some 3rd-world dictatorships that would gladly accept someone like you as an immigrant.

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Just like you did? If you get a job through the government widening the road, isn't that violating your rules? I thought you didn't want to be making a living on anyone elses back? Why should I subsidize YOUR job?

or have you been asleep duing the past four years?

Small and medium-sized businesses are creaing the jobs in this country, and they are being hurt by the Bush economy. Most corporations pay no state taxes-60% of US corporations PAY NO TAXES AT ALL and they send our jobs overseas. Why the hell should MY TAX MONEY pay for hem to be here?

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but resorting to namecalling when you can't back up your assertions with links is certainly revealing. :eyes:

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Other than Shrub's buddies, that is? Oh, that's right, they already were rich.

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Enlighten me. What do you have against small business? What do you think about no bid contracts to Halliburton?

Seems that some have listened toooooo much to the lies on Faux and to Limbaugh and really should stretch their minds and try looking for facts instead.

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garbage that has been regurgitated from Rush and O'Lielly is truly astounding!

The last time I needed an MRI (about 2 years ago, very routine) I waited 2 weeks. A hospital with 1 x-ray machine? in Bumfuck, Idaho maybe but not in any hospital in Canada I've ever been in. 60% tax rate? Tax freedom day for most of Canada is sometime in June.
Check here:
<http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/taxcalc.asp>

In exchange for our admittedly higher tax rates we get health care, highways, country-wide fibre optic cable, all the stuff that a society can do so much better than an individual.

My recollection, and I'll go look for a link, is that the Canadian health care system is vastly more efficient than that in the US, primarily because so much of the health care dollar in the Excited States is spent on crap, billing systems, marketing, exorbitant drug costs.

What's wrong with cardiac care in Canada? My father had 2 heart operations, extended his life 20 years. I can quote anecdotes as well as you can, back this shit up with something other than an attitude.

This touted Tax Freedom day comes out of the mouth of the infamous Fraser Institute.

I would refrain from using it unless we had some comparison that added the equivalent services into those free enterprise methods of receiving the equivalent services. Areas that come to mind are medical, mercinaries...etc.

I believe that the Fraser Institute methodology probably overestimates how much tax we pay. Given that they are corporate whores dedicated to the propostition that taxes are a bad thing, while remaining curiously unable to respond to the argument that we get services for the taxes that we pay, their estimate is as worst-case as it is possible to get.

I'll go see if the Parkland Institute has a similar calculator. If so, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, although undoubtedly closer to Parkland.

our tax money lines the pockets of the admininstration's corporate buddies.

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in the past three years than at any other time since the depression. And that's OK with you?

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If it is not too much of a mental exercise.

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of factual knowledge is astounding, I wonder why?

I go to Toronto for work all the time and have been all over Canada. It's too cold for me, but it is such a CIVILIZED country!

I've read about three or four assertions by you in this thread, and no backup. That amounts to a waste of time in my view.

So, come on. Links.

Hammocks are nice, are you slanging hammocks?

Our schools and hospitals are in an advanced state of decay. The taxes go to things like gun registries ($1 billion and growing) and to line the pockets of supporters of the governing party (>$100 million in kickbacks). Our millionaire Prime Minister knows what happens to our taxes, which is why his family business keeps its assets offshore. Canadian taxes are paid by the little people, not by those who impose them.

Like yours one would assume that you were aware of the different areas of authority between federal and provincial. Common Sense Revolutions usually lead to common sense fallacies. Nice to have met your friend here.
One would tend to assume, perhaps incorrectly, that some be posting at the wrong location?

Our public education is in crisis, our hospitals are frighteningly understaffed, our healthcare and drugs are expensive. Bush and his buddies are using our tax money as investment collateral so they can get rich.

Yeah, Canada has its problems, but nothing compared to the US.

Canadian is non-existent and your posts only show up to support someone trashing Canada, it intrigues me, I must say.

But again, you can vote out the people responsible for your healthcare crisis. We cannot vote out the CEO's responsible for ours.

BullShit Walks!
Take your Lies, NeoCon Propaganda, and Anecdotes back to Limbaugh and Faux News. They believe bullshit there!

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...for people spouting Conservative Propaganda!

One of the ways that scientists measure the health of a population is by lifespan and infant mortality rates. Canada has one of the highest lifespans and lowest infant mortality rates of developed nations. Countries like Sweden and Norway are the highest. The U.S is down at about 17.

It is true that there was a brain drain of Canadians to the U.S years ago. It had more to do with opportunity than high taxes. I mean if you are going to sell widgets, would you want to sell to a market 280,000,000 people or a market of 32,000,000. Also, if you are a professional there is more of everything (universities, hospitals, companies ect...)and less competition. Canada has a highly educated population, for example 1 in 4 people in Toronto have at least a bachelor degree.

I was trying to find something suitable to post here.

I once saw an excellent summary of the quality of healthcare by county based on things like infant mortality, average lifespan, etc. I think it may have been done by W.H.O. Wish I had saved it.

There's a time for debate, and a time to say Shut the fuck up, you're full of shit!

:toast:


Tommy Douglas, father of Canadian public
healthcare, and the "Greatest Canadian."

Who was that masked man??

"The federal government has pledged to exceed the $25 million originally earmarked for matching private donations. A spokesman said the government will match as much as is donated by individual Canadians up to Jan. 11."

(I am posting this so the thread doesn't end with the issue that hijacked the original poster's question.)

Edited to add a link that has the above quote:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/01/01/804396-cp.html

I live here and I have used it.

I broke my leg and was hospitalized for a week for concussions and pinned surgery.

total cost to me, $129 for the ambulance.

that was it.

access the system. I was in a car accident while visiting in Alberta, I was not hurt bad enough to require an ambulance, went to emergency, was seen in about half an hour, was x-rayed, a cast put on my wrist and, when I returned home, was able to access my doctor right away and had ongoing care as needed. All of that and it didn't cost a cent more than my $56.00 dollars a month.

Now I know how my cat feels when the mouse dies.

I've been posting for a few months, but lurked (Ididn't have a non-webmail email!) for about a year prior, and I don't think I've seen this many "deleted messages" in a single thread ever! That dude must've rattled them off fast! This might be more of a lounge-type question but does anybody have an idea as to the record for most deleted posts in a single thread?

The Federal government pledged $40 million. Later they pledged the matching funds. When pressed, they admitted that the matching funds come out of the $40 million. Meaning Canadians need to pledge more than $40 million before the Feds need to kick in more dough.

While Paul Martin can be commended for his fiscal responsibility, you'd think with a $9 billion budget surplus, the ill-named Liberal Party could be a bit looser with the purse strings than this.

What do folks like Jack Layton and Ed Broadbent have to say about this?