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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:01 PM
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20/20 tonight: Sabrina Harmon (Abu Ghraib abuser) to "Speak Out"
She has claimed that she was "ordered" by higher ups to commit the abuses. This could be interesting...

ABC - 10 p.m. EST.

Elizabeth Vargas talks with Sabrina Harmon, a U.S. soldier facing charges in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, who speaks out for the first time on television, telling her story exclusively to "20/20."
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:03 PM
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1. Smiley Girl.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:02 PM
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2. kick....
Looks like this could be good.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:09 PM
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5. Yeah, she was forced to enjoy herself.
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Cleopatra2a Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:09 PM
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3. Please, you are only supposed to follow lawful orders.
We (AF) are required to review the Law of Armed Conflict every year. It covers Geneva Convention, treatment of enemy combatants etc.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:26 PM
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6. Since the White House Counsel seems to think this is legal ...
... how is a grunt supposed to know it isn't? After all of the hearings of both Gonzales and Rice, neither of them said that the treatment of abu Ghraib prisoners was a violation of the Geneva Conventions! Both claimed that these prisoners are not covered. Neither called the treatment 'torture.'

Therefore, if any orders were given to do this, just who the hell is supposed to call them "illegal"????
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:42 PM
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7. Excellent observation. n/t
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Cleopatra2a Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:06 AM
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8. To me, it is just common sense
We are supposed to be bigger than that. As a female, there is no way I would have stood next to a bunch of naked men with their butts sticking up in my face.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:39 AM
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9. Truth is the first casualty of war. "Common sense" is the second.
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 09:40 AM by TahitiNut
I thank the goddesses above (or below) that I didn't have to confront this while I was in Vietnam, not that I didn't think about it. The whole "legal order" thing is a scam. Grunts aren't lawyers. Let's say one of the guys in Lt. Calley's platoon refused. Blam! Next? And Calley was one of a very few instances that was both more overt and became public. Things got a lot closer to the line over there. When the orders (verbal, of course) come down the line and are regularly and varyingly abusive, and you see various 'guidelines' that say it's OK to do various things that you never thought were OK (23 hours of no sleep, 'stress' positions, nudity, etc.), you really have to partition things into 'the world' and where you are. They're two different places. You're not in Kansas ('the world') any more, Toto.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 09:42 AM
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10. True. Everything Hitler did was legal
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 10:09 PM
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4. Elizabeth Varga?
Maybe she'll argue that Abu Ghrayb was just a drug deal gone bad like her matthew shephard hatchet job...

Vargas can fry w/ the rest of them.
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