Fascism is BASED ON the idea that one's opinions are objective truth

Discuss...

(note) the implication of this is that dissent against someone's opinions is NOT permitted.

For example, 2+2 = 4 is a truth. We would look at people funny if they said 2+2 = 5, and rightly so.


on edit: made it a clearer question.. I hope.

... or group.

the US is a fascist dictatorship (which did NOT start recently) because it is "owned" by the electorate. The electorate is a group.

Using your definition religion is Fascism because you are supposed to believe in the absolute correctness of it's dogma not matter how much evidence there is to refute it.

especially fundy religion. Many mainline religions aren't as strict.

conservatives are wrong, wrong, wrong, we are right and that is that?

Is religion no more than a belief system in some thing - a thing which we all share in some way - ie, a belief our ideals are right so we preach those beliefs and ridicule those who do not believe as we do (ala red-states).

Do all opinions and beliefs seek to replicate themselves to others to try and survive - ie, is a belief similar to evolution in that the ideals compete and try to propogate, and by throwing in the human element they become more based on humanism than pure science? We invoke what is best for us as a species because we strive to survive, even if that is not what is best for 'nature' (hard to define) because our survival instinct drives us to make decisions for the betterment of our kind.

In this sense, many can be said to be facist in that we use our opionions of what is good for us to supercede the ideas of what is good for others (which one would suppose is all relative anyway)?

Just discussing as you requested :)

but we also accept that they are allowed to exist, and that they are entitled to their opinions.

A fascist (or whatever word I SHOULD have used) would disagree.

And I really dislike being ordered to discuss idiocies.

you are free not to discuss...

and why the hostility?

Did I offend you in a past life?

1.
A: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

B: A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

2.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

then there are one FUCK of a lot of fascists here.

Buy a dictionary. Or a political philosophy textbook.

do, as you so ELOQUENTLY put it, the "fuck of a lot of fascists here", believe conservatives have no right to hold their opinions?

why? Does it offend you? Why does it cause you to insult me?


I hope you understand that I took liberties with the word's definition. Not like it's never been done before. People call Bush a fascist all the time and we know he's not LITERALLY one, but we know what the person is talking about. He is one in the figurative sense because he does not tolerate dissent, calling it unpatriotic.


Or maybe you can come up with a better word for the definiton...

I don't see why it should; in the world of human affairs, there is no such thing as "incontrovertible truth".

It is, however, not fascism. Fascism refers to a corporatist, nationalistic political philosophy.

Selling a pack of lies, is the neocon adgenda, and if that is your
focus, then call it proper. They have shifted the focus of the law
away from "the burden of proof" towards the fantasy of projecting what
could happen. This allows them to create prisons for people who have
done no crimes, and fill them on the premise that people might do
crimes.

Then the job of the people in power is to, on one hand, sell us the
false truth of security usurping authority and political power by
using the other hand to create fearful stories and threats, selling
weapons to the next bad enemy, and creating an ongoing hodgepodge of
bad guys so that the bush-terror machine can stay in power.

Of course objective truth will disagree with a fantasy governmetn of
fearful lies, and by the very nature of the neocons' living in a mythical
fantasy, they are anatema to the logical process of using facts to
prove an argument... believing rather that life is a hollywood studio
and any story can be rewritten with different props and a terrorist.

How silly.

If you actually are interested in understanding fascism start here:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
and here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7478.htm