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LaReservaPr Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:09 PM
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They are pissing me off...
Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)
A Bill
H. R. 235

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to protect the religious free exercise and free speech rights of churches and other houses of worship.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 4, 2005

Mr. JONES of North Carolina introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.235:

There has to be a way to stop them.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:14 PM
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1. Can't open link...
...but if this is what I think it is, the rats can pay taxes just like everybody else.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:22 PM
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2. Knowing Jones, it is about allowing churches to actively engage
in partisan politics.

And you're right. If this is allowed, they should pay taxes just like any other interest group.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:23 PM
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3. Interest group? Or business?
Oh wait, corporations pay no taxes...so yeah, lets call it an interest group.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:25 PM
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5. It would put churches in the 527 category!
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:24 PM
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4. Know thy enemy
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 08:31 PM by ultraist
http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=66
Congressman Walter Jones from North Carolina's 3rd District has introduced H.R. 235, the “Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act.” This bill would amend the IRS Code of 1986 to restore the ability of churches and other houses of worship to freely participate in political campaigns.

According to Congressman Jones:

"In 1954, then-Senator Lyndon B. Johnson offered an amendment to a revenue bill that would permanently extend the stranglehold of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) into our nation's churches, synagogues and mosques. Since that time, the IRS has turned the 501(c)(3) code-section on its head in an attempt to punish pastors, priests and rabbis for nothing more than communicating the principles of faith during an election period. If passed, the Houses of Worship Political Speech Protection Act would restore the rights of all religious organizations to determine for themselves what they can and cannot teach from their pulpits, or communicate to their congregation and the public without fear that their tax status may be in jeopardy. It is time to restore freedom to our Nation's pulpits."

From a constitutional perspective, it is unconscionable that the current policy penalizing the free speech of religious institutions has remained intact and unchallenged for this long. The government has long recognized that institutions of faith and houses of worship have provided vital services to our communities and our nation. In fact, our public policy has been to honor the valuable contributions of these organizations with an exemption from taxes both for the organizations themselves and for the individuals and groups who support them. Regrettably, because of a simple appropriations rider in 1954, our public policy changed to recognizing the valuable contributions of houses of worship only if they gave up their constitutional right to free speech. (What an amazing exchange: we will honor your charitable contributions but only if you will give up your constitutional rights!) This obviously represents bad public policy and unjustly muzzles thousands of churches across America by preventing them from exercising their fundamental right to free speech. Free speech is most valuable when it is exercised during the elections of our government leaders.

To contact your Representative or Senator:

If you do not know your U. S. Congressman, go to http://www.house.gov/writerep/ and type in your zip code to learn the name of your Representative.
Call the U.S. Capitol at (202) 224-3121. When the Capitol switchboard operator answers, ask for your Senator or Representative by name. When that office answers, ask to speak to your Congressman or Senator. If he is available, he will speak with you; if he is unavailable, simply tell his staff your thoughts on H.R. 235 and how you would like him to vote.
If you wish to write and communicate the same message, the address is:
Name of your Representative

U.S. House of Representatives

Washington, DC, 20515




Name of your Senator

U.S. Senate

Washington, DC, 20510

(To access information (bill text, sponsors, status, etc.) and track the progress of the “Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act,” go to http://thomas.loc.gov and type in “HR 235” To see how your Congressman voted on a similar bill on October 2, 2002, click here. WallBuilders offers an audio cassette entitled, The Role Of Pastors and Christians in Civil Government, which provides information on the historical role of pastors and Christians in shaping politics.)


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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:28 PM
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7. Try this link, it should work
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:29 PM
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8. Database name missing. Click back to return n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:27 PM
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6. fight religion with religion
Once passed and we're at church. If they play politics, we stand up and yell something like "stop masturbating satan and tell us the truth" before leaving. (being in the back pew next to the exit helps...)
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:40 PM
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9. kick
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:51 PM
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10. or we could....
simply incorporate the democratic party and/or any/all supporting groups into "churches" which can run amok unabated.
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