I Hate To Generalize But Making An Exception With * Supporters

Honest to God, I just don't like them! They are either stupid or mean or fascist or all of the above. I guess if I lived somewhere where there were a lot of them I would HAVE to find some I could stand, but luckily I only know a few of them and they are idiots.

I know a lot of you are married to or partners with actual GWB voters, well I feel like in 2000 maybe people didn't KNOW how horrible GWB America would be, but WHY WOULD THEY DO IT IN 2004? If they weren't stupid or fascists or stupid fascists?

It's like these people who look at Iraq and go, "Freedom Is On The March, Yaaay!" Do any of you deal with people like that on any kind of an intimate level -- like, have sex with people like that? They make my skin crawl!

I'm getting to the point where I can barely be in a room with one, once I know that's how they are. I know it's not very nice or tolerant and I would never even say it out loud, but I really am starting to hate them all.

who voted for bush. NO F***ING WAY. I refuse to coddle such stupid ignorant people PERIOD.

I sick of these idiots and their arrogance and ingorance and their claim that THEY represent America. Let's take them up on their rhetoric....LET'S BE ELITISTS! They will call us that anyhow, and compared to them, we are the intellectual elite, yes?

Agreed?

I'm not being ELITE - republicans are TRASHING AMERICA - it DISTURBS ME A GREAT DEAL. Anyone who cannot see what a piece of SHIT bush is by NOW is either MISINFORMED, STUPID, OR BOTH.

Do unto Republicans as they do unto us.

I won't willingly associate with them- nor will I lift my little finger to help them.

As to people who are married to or have Bush supporters as SO's, I think that calls into question their character.

This one guy I know said he voted for * because he's "strong on Israel" whatever the fuck that means. And then he said the Iraq war was "us stepping up to our responsiblities." I see this guy occasionally at social things and I CAN'T EVEN LOOK AT HIM! He makes me sick!

I want them all out of my face, out of my rolodex and out of my life.

I have a theory that these people have voted for an idealized version of themselves. They weren't so much voting for * the candidate but rather a mythology about an American identity which never existed in the first place.

The idealized pResidency is appealing because they are either unwilling or unable to address the challenges of a complex world. It's comforting to have an idealized sense of certainty and security. The sad thing is: they are in for a rude awakening. I expect that they are going to be blinded with rage.

(climbing down from the soapbox...)

Do they want those children out dying in the GWB wars (in place of the JennaBarbaras & George P, who will have "other priorites" naturally.)

Also this "entrepeneur" bullshit, how many people do you know fit that description. Do they think that ALL their kids will just Get Rich? And not have to work, not want a good Union job or whatever -- why do people accept the increasingly bad situation for our work force when they ARE the work force?

Because they have the money to get a college education without having to join ROTC or the National Guard, and know that the military is for poor whites and all those brown people.

I am surrounded by red people, in my work, in my acquaintences, in my family. They are either convinced the bush* speaks for God, or cannot think in complexities---preferring the "Who's Your Daddy" system of thinking, where one does not have to think at all, just trust Daddy-bush to take care of all the uncertainties in this complicated world. You cannot reason with the bush-God ones, and need to outvote the trust-bush ones.

I would pick a smart daddy....not an idiot.

How can someone look at bush*, and then hear him try to speak...and NOT KNOW IMMEDIATELY that he is a fucking simple minded, lazy, idiot?

Maybe you are right.

• Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

Guess how many votes did Bush approximately get. 62 million out of 300 million (for Wer 21 %)

The whole mess at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x99575#100276

because it says that in the bible!!! I guarantee you those dolts voted for Bush.

They even know my political leanings. To the one, however, they are all either bigots, driven by money, or totally ignorant. Sorry. It's true.

so having sex with him isnt an eeewww. lol olol. i would give him the eye for a while in 2001 and 2002. it was you people when i would talk about politics and bush. then about 2002 somewhere, i got to start saying, not you, but your kind

i was just thrilled.

now he is my girlie man, and we giggle and he embraces

Sort of adds an edge to the game of converting a totalitarian death worshipper to a calm, centered Christ-like creature, doesen't it?
My wife has finally begun to see the futility of the death penalty. Since she works in a bank, in a totally redneck, Bush Lewyenskiing, tolerance hating area, that's quite a gigantic growing-up!

and I think many of them are stupid and/or have serious character flaws, and some of them may even be suffering from mental disorders. I've lost patience with people who think it's all right to be violent and selfish and greedy, who suck up this freedom-spreading bullshit without even thinking about it and refuse to see criminals standing in front of them, bragging and laughing about their crimes.

But I also think we spend too much time criticizing and trying to figure out how to change them, when most of them will not change and many will only get worse. Trying to find common ground with them is a waste of time, in my opinion, because it validates them. Worrying about what they think of us and how they will use what we say against us is the biggest waste of time of all.

I think we should stand our ground and say, simply, "This is wrong, and here's what we should do instead," and work on it in spite of them. This is where I'm going with what I posted the other day on the thread about being proud of the troops, where I said I refuse to engage in the collective rationalizing and equivocating that enabled the war to begin and allows it to continue. It's wrong, period.

Killing is wrong. Not taking care of people and ensuring that their basic needs are met is wrong. Denying rights is wrong. Forcing people to have children is wrong. And I'm sorry, but the idea that some god is on one side or the other and is going to wail on us for failing to acknowledge him is just absurd.

A peaceful country that educates and takes care of its people and uses its wealth to improve the world, on the other hand, is right. Fuck these idiots who can't see the better country and the better world that should be so easy to create. I'll be talking about that and working to make it happen, and I won't be supporting another candidate who spews bullshit about hunting and killing terrorists or whatever.

If everyone would do this - just stand up and say what's wrong and work for the alternative that is right and fair - I think we could get a Dennis Kucinich or a Howard Dean or a John Kerry who isn't full of crap in the White House.

to attempt "discussions." They WANT to be ingorant about what's going on. Someone told me that the goal of the Bush supporters is never to win the argument, but rather to keep these circular, ADD arguments going as a distraction. I'm done arguing with these idiots; I'm done with them totally.

i dreamt i ran into an old freeper coworker out on the streets, and he had the gall to gloat over dubya winning.


i thanked him for the shit sandwich, and told him that i hoped when he realized he was eating a shit sandwich to savor everybite, and rememberthis is what he asked for.


i then went on to explain how he'd given shit sandwiches to the elderly, iraq vets, and his own kids.


then i told him i hoped he choked on it and the only person who by rights should have voted for bush was the owner of the ocmpany we both worked for.


*lol* and this was a dream. i have issues.

The vast majority of my community are republicans and bush supporters. I've lived here since 1980. I've learned a lot about conservative republicans.

I don't hate any of them. That's because I choose not to hate; I think hate is destructive energy that will not resolve any conflict.

I like many, and truly love a few. There are those that I've chosen to exclude from my space and conversation. There are those that I tolerate and am able to work with in spite of our differences, and there are those that I care about.

I don't have sex with any of them.

What I've seen is a pov in stark contrast to my own. I've seen that they truly believe what they hear on their tvs, radios, and from the pulpit on Sunday. I've seen that they are literally blind to anything outside of their reality. I've continued to work with them, befriend them, and care about them, because I don't want to be blind to everything but MY reality. If both sides are locked into such a narrow vision of what they will allow themselves to see, everybody loses. There's no hope there.

So I keep hoping that they, knowing clearly where I stand, and seeing me continue to move forward, will begin to crack open the self-imposed blindness.

All of that said, I am planning a move this summer. I have to be honest; I'll be glad to leave the excess behind. I hope my new community will be more balanced, but I don't know that.

and agree with all that's been posted so far!

I too am sick to death of all em myself! I just got into a major fight with some of the most vilest and ugliest ones you can imagine on another board and I will probably be kicked off now because 2 of the 3 mods that run that board are * lovers to the nth degree. I am so goddammed sick and disgusted by the crap they spew it just ain't funny. I kept posting there because I thought I could change some minds and maybe some hearts, but today, I think I've finally realized they really do have shit for brains and the blackest of black hearts.

I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONE!

Sorry for the rant!

:dunce: "Duh, we be free, muh prezdent said so, yup he did".

pain in the ass for the next 4 years. Every chance that I get I point out the negative effects of bush** policies, followed by 'this state was red on the map, which demonstrates to me that the people of this state wanted it and the rest of the country leaner and meaner...hope you enjoy swimming in your own shit'. Thus far it's been entertaining.

instead of hating or tolerating them, and vowing to get even, or take back Amurka, is to do exactly what they've been doing for the last 35 years. The first thing to do, I think, is to start agitating, full time for an amendment to the constitution, and THE most important amendment has to be guaranteeing the right to vote for EVERYBODY! There is now no right to vote for anyone, anywhere in the constitution, Imagine that! Jesse Jackson, jr has articulated it best-pointing out that Democrats, and greens, and all the other non repukes in this country are issue oriented, and program oriented, and problem-solving oriented. What we have to do to get all of us together and defeat that bunch of hooligans is to get a bigger goal-a bigger problem and get two amendments passed. One, the afore mentioned guarantee of the right to vote (and practically nobody can be against that, can they?), and two-dump the current two party system and put it in the constitution that we are going to embrace some form of instant runoff election and dump the electoral college, as well as make election day a national holiday for everyone-reducing disenfranchisement! This would, pretty much, guarantee that, in the future, it would be intelligent, thoughtful people of good will and a spirit of tolerance who would be elected. This will go a huge long way toward fixing all the major problems that have led to the current Fascist state and its concomitant evil. Whad'ya think?

I mean- when politics haven't even come up? It's happened to me like 20 times at least. I'll meet someone, and their asshole nature shines through just speaking to them. And we're not being political- no discussion of public policy or world views, or anything like that.

They're just assholes. Pricks. I'll think to myself, "this guy is a Bush fan", and every single time I've been correct. Every time I discover their politics, whether it's by seeing a bumper sticker on their car, or the conversation changes to politics, etc.- every single time they turn out to be Bush supporters.

Bush has a lock on the Asshole vote.

Yeah like, I would see some seriously Ugly American types (I am speaking in terms of knuckle-dragger attitude AND actual physical appearance, like, the fat guys in the muscle T's and bad long/short combo hair)

Sho nuff most of them there would be a giveaway after the initial impression, ie, "Rock For God" T-shirt with a FETUS IN THE "O"

Christ almighty these people are horrid.

I don't have sex with them, but they are both huge Bush supporters. Both have "W04" bumper stickers on their truck/car, one of them is Delta Chi and the other is like ROTC or something.

I have a three-year-old boy, and though I have a filthy mouth, I try to keep it to a minimum, in front of my son. Around 10 p.m., they start playing a "shoot-em-up" on the Playstation, or something, totally screaming racial slurs and fuck this and fuck that -- and the walls are very thin. They listen to some kind of bubblegum faux metal, they both are independent distributors of some "bulk up" formula, they have like "hairdos" and wear braided belts.

That would be the most intimate that I am with Bush supporters, and for that, I'm glad.

The apartment complex keeps moving in Bushbots above me, though, and it's pissing me off -- last time it was a Ph.D. who was a fundie and a neocon. There's nothing worse than an "intellectual" right winger.

I share your disdain, however. There's nothing beautiful to me about their lifestyle, their pusuit of consumer vainglory, their social darwin-istic tendencies, veiled inside a hypocritical religion, their self-righteousness, or their "moral certainty."

That said -- I just said "Bush supporters," I didn't say "all Republicans." Some libertarian-minded Repubicans I can get along with, but even with most of those, you scratch the surface, and underneath is a spiteful, patriarchal, domineering conservative -- just one that doesn't trust the state. And then there are the "consumers," who are just Republicans because they're completely clueless.

I can even give a pass to the 2000 Bush supporters who thought they were voting "moderate" but those who approve what he has done and is doing, no respect, no respect, NONE.

I know lots of GOP who hate Bush & voted Kerry or 3rd party got no prob with them, don't care about labels but giving the OK to the neocon agenda....they are like Nazis IMO, I would no sooner be friends with them than a Clansman or Osama Bin Laden supporter.

I don't think they are Fascists. I just acknowledge that they have different opinions than I do. We still are friends, and we still discuss politics, even if we disagree. I'm open to new ideas, and so are they.

Because Fairly Intellegent people don't fall for the lame War On Terra crap. Maybe they fall for it once but over and over and over again? Like I say I can see them getting fooled in 2000 but to vote for that evil assclown in 2000 and 2004 after seeing the results of all the lies -- and supporting this goddamned GWB war? There's just no way anyone like that could be considered intellegent!

Bush is a bad president, but he is not an evil fascist that you make him out to be, and people who vote for him are not evil fascists, but instead they agree with his views. If Republicans and Democrats can't even get along, how will Isrealis and Palestinians?

Same applies to people who have little Hitler shrines -- people who support this war are SICK.

That's my philosophy, and I have used it in several arguments with bushbots.

Try it... it works. Take any reason/rationalization that a * supporter might give as to why they support the retarded chimp. Now explain how that reason (Good Christian, Fighting Terror, Honor and Dignity, Principled/Strong Leader...) demostrates the IGNORANCE of the supporter.
In the event that the supporter appears to truly understand the motives of the * administration, and knowingly supports their policies, (PNAC, Corporate Cronyism, Starve the Beast...) they are clearly EVIL.

Works for me

with the other side. They shout at each other and to the cameras on the floor, and then make dinner plans together. Some like Scalia and Ginsburg are very close friends, their spouses as well. I come across alot of center right people in my off time. Particularly at a watering hole I like to support. It may very well be true that in civil society it's best not to discuss money, politics or religion for good reason.

But... I think that this kind of generalization is the biggest danger to our being able to get past this very dangerous time in the world's history. This type of thinking is only going to let the divide grow larger. It is exactly what the Bushies are guilty of. They project everything that is bad outside themselves and are unwilling to see the interconnectedness of things.

We live together. We have the same basic goals and needs. They need our guidance and patience. We cannot expect a quick explanation of things to set them straight overnight.

Someday maybe anger will be a relic of the past. It is a selfish tool. As soon as we start to take things personally our spiritual growth comes to a halt.

And trust me, I am a big hypocrite. But I am trying.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't be strong as hell or confrontational for that matter. I think we need to avoid anger, arrogance and generalizations. We have truth on our side.

Sorry about getting all spiritual and shit but I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

But my honest and true feelings are, I hate them and I think they are evil and/or stupid. I wouldn't even say this anywhere but DU but it kind of feels good to vent. You know maybe it's time to acknowledge our anger because I do feel it's justified -- God knows THEY are always pissed off at SOME goddamned thing (SpongeBob or whatever!) and sometimes I think we by our nature as thinkers try to reason our way out of being pissed as hell and maybe we should stop it.

Or maybe not! You make a lot of sense, not arguing with you just sort of workin' it out -- I do know I need to use the anger constructively.