America's most forgotten war:

I'm watching the History Channel, and they have labeled one of nation's wars as "The Forgotten War." I happen to disagree with their choice, though (which I won't inform you of, although I suppose you could always just look for yourself).

Anyway, what do you think of as America's Forgotten War?

Funded by Ollie North, and the Republican Drug Dealers.

A U.S. battleship was sunk in Cuba. It seems the media blamed the Spanish for it and the gov't followed suit and declared war on Spain.

What does that remind you of?

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You are aware that Cuba was controlled by Spain back then? Cuba was a part of Spain (though, not a real part, but a territory/colony/whatever). Just curious.

I had no idea, thank you for enlightening me.

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"Yellow" Journalism, too.. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


'Remember the Maine'. 250 sailors perished aboard the 'Maine' when it blew up in Havana Harbor in Feb 1898. "Yellow" Journalism (developed by publishers Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst) whipped the public into a war feeding frenzy that culminated on a symbolic patrotic day, 12 April 98. The public was informed that 27 years before, to the day, Fort Sumter had been bombarded and the American Civil War began. The following was read in newspapers across the nation:

"How patriotic Americans would like to hear the cannon's reverberation on this 12th of April to avenge the slaughter of the boys in blue on board the Maine in Havana's harbor two months ago."

We soon went to war.

that a boiler blew up sinking the Maine.

We lost almost as many troops in this three year "police action" as we did in ten years in Vietnam. Plus, the repercussions of this war are still being felt today, long after the war ended.

is seldom mentioned. It is as sad as the Korean War Monument.

Unloved unwanted and forgotten

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And you who fought it have never been truly recognized for what you did. Thank you for your service. I'm only 28 years old, but I have read about the Korean War in detail. Not all of us have forgotten, and we will never fully will.

The war over there is still going on and I bet 90% couldn't tell you anything that has happened in the past 4 months.

Most of those wars you mentioned are covered in history class.

We invadedn panama and overthrew thier government and America forgot it before it had even finished learning about it.

I've looked quite a bit in the paper and I rarely ever see anything mentioned and I hardly ever even hear the p(R)esident speak of it. I'd say since its ongoing as we poll and its forgotten now its safe to say it will be the most forgotten war in history.

that no country can match Amurka's record on military matters... not country can boast a list such as this... something to be proud of... perhaps.... however, no other countries have come in here telling us how to have legitimate elections, what party to support or overthrow, which labor unions are ok and which are not (prolly none) and who should own our utilities and (formerly) state owned businesses.

SOUTH DAKOTA
1890 (-?)
Troops
300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.

ARGENTINA
1890
Troops
Buenos Aires interests protected.

CHILE
1891
Troops
Marines clash with nationalist rebels.

HAITI
1891
Troops
Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated.

IDAHO
1892
Troops
Army suppresses silver miners' strike.

HAWAII
1893 (-?)
Naval, troops
Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.

CHICAGO
1894
Troops
Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed

NICARAGUA
1894
Troops
Month-long occupation of Bluefields.

CHINA
1894-95
Naval, troops
Marines land in Sino-Jap War.

KOREA
1894-96
Troops
Marines kept in Seoul during war.

PANAMA
1895
Troops, naval
Marines land in Colombian province.

NICARAGUA
1896
Troops
Marines land in port of Corinto.

CHINA
1898-1900
Troops / Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.

PHILIPPINES
1898-1910(-?)
Naval, troops
Seized from Spain, killed
600,000 Filipinos.

CUBA
1898-1902(-?)
Naval, troops
Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.

PUERTO RICO
1898(-?)
Naval, troops
Seized from Spain, occupation
continues.

GUAM
1898(-?)
Naval, troops / Seized from Spain, still used as base.

MINNESOTA
1898(-?)
Troops
Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.

NICARAGUA
1898
Troops
Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.

SAMOA
1899(-?)
Troops
Battle over succession to throne.

NICARAGUA
1899
Troops / Marines land at port of Bluefields.

IDAHO
1899-1901
Troops / Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.

OKLAHOMA
1901
Troops
Army battles Creek Indian revolt.

PANAMA
1901-14
Naval, troops
Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914-99.

HONDURAS
1903
Troops
Marines intervene in revolution.

DOMINICAN REP.
1903-04
Troops
U.S. interests protected in Revolution.

KOREA
1904-05
Troops
Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.

CUBA
1906-09
Troops / Marines land in democratic election.

NICARAGUA
1907
Troops
"Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.

HONDURAS
1907
Troops
Marines land during war with Nicaragua.

PANAMA
1908
Troops / Marines intervene in election contest.

NICARAGUA
1910
Troops
Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.

HONDURAS
1911
Troops / U.S. interests protected in civil war.

CHINA
1911-41
Naval, troops
Continuous occupation with flare-ups.

CUBA
1912
Troops / U.S. interests protected in Havana.

PANAMA
19l2
Troops / Marines land during heated election.

HONDURAS
19l2
Troops / Marines protect U.S. economic interests.

NICARAGUA
1912-33
Troops, bombing
20-year occupation, fought guerrillas.

MEXICO
19l3
Naval / Americans evacuated during revolution.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
1914
Naval / Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.

COLORADO
1914
Troops / Breaking of miners' strike by Army.

MEXICO
1914-18
Naval, troops
Series of interventions against
nationalists.

HAITI
1914-34
Troops, bombing
19-year occupation after revolts.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
1916-24
Troops
8-year Marine occupation.

CUBA
1917-33
Troops / Military occupation, economic protectorate.

WORLD WAR I
19l7-18
Naval, troops
Ships sunk, fought Germany

RUSSIA
1918-22
Naval, troops
Five landings to fight Bolsheviks.

PANAMA
1918-20
Troops
"Police duty" during unrest after elections.

YUGOSLAVIA
1919
Troops
Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.

HONDURAS
1919
Troops
Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA
1920
Troops
2-week intervention against unionists.

WEST VIRGINIA
1920-21
Troops, bombing
Army intervenes against
mineworkers.

TURKEY
1922
Troops
Fought nationalists in Smyrna (Izmir).

CHINA
1922-27
Naval, troops
Deployment during nationalist revolt.

HONDURAS
1924-25
Troops
Landed twice during election strife.

PANAMA
1925
Troops / Marines suppress general strike.

CHINA
1927-34
Troops / Marines stationed throughout the country.

EL SALVADOR
1932
Naval / Warships sent during Farabundo Marti revolt.

WASHINGTON DC
1932
Troops / Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.

WORLD WAR II
1941-45
Naval,troops, bombing, nuclear
Fought Axis for 3
years; 1st nuclear war.

DETROIT
1943
Troops

Army puts down Black rebellion.

IRAN
1946
Nuclear threat
Soviet troops told to leave north (Iranian
Azerbaijan).

YUGOSLAVIA
1946
Naval / Response to shooting-down of U.S. plane.

URUGUAY
1947
Nuclear threat
Bombers deployed as show of strength.

GREECE
1947-49
Command operation
U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.

CHINA
1948-49
Troops
Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.

GERMANY
1948
Nuclear threat
Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift.

PHILIPPINES
1948-54
Command operation
CIA directs war against Huk
Rebellion.

PUERTO RICO
1950
Command operation
Independence rebellion crushed in
Ponce.

KOREA
1950-53
Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats
U.S.& South Korea fight China & North Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, & vs. China in 1953. Still have bases.

IRAN
1953
Command operation
CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

VIETNAM
1954
Nuclear threat
Bombs offered to French to use against siege.

GUATEMALA
1954
Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new govt nationalizes U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.

EGYPT
1956
Nuclear threat, troops
Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; MArines evacuate foreigners

LEBANON
1958
Troops, naval / Marine occupation against rebels.

IRAQ
1958
Nuclear threat
Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.

CHINA
1958
Nuclear threat
China told not to move on Taiwan isles.

PANAMA
1958
Troops / Flag protests erupt into confrontation.

VIETNAM
1960-75
Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; 1-2 million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in 1968 and 1969.

CUBA
1961
Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.

GERMANY
1961
Nuclear threat Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.

CUBA
1962
Nuclear threat, Naval
Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with USSR.

LAOS
1962
Command operation
Military buildup during guerrilla war.

PANAMA
1964
Troops / Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.

INDONESIA
1965
Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
1965-66
Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA
1966-67
Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels.

DETROIT
1967
Troops / Army battles Blacks, 43 killed.

UNITED STATES
1968
Troops / After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.

CAMBODIA
1969-75
Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

OMAN
1970
Command operation U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.

LAOS
1971-73
Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.

SOUTH DAKOTA
1973
Command operation Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.

MIDEAST
1973
Nuclear threat World-wide alert during Mideast War.

CHILE
1973
Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.

CAMBODIA
1975
Troops, bombing Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.

ANGOLA
1976-92
Command operation CIA assists South African-backed rebels.

IRAN
1980
Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing Raid to rescue Emba-ssy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets war-ned not to get involved in revolution.

LIBYA
1981
Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.

EL SALVADOR
1981-92
Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.

NICARAGUA
1981-90
Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.

LEBANON
1982-84
Naval, bombing, troops Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim and Syrian positions.

HONDURAS
1983-89
Troops / Maneuvers help build bases near borders.

GRENADA
1983-84
Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution.

IRAN
1984
Jets / Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.

LIBYA
1986
Bombing, naval Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.

BOLIVIA
1986
Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region.

IRAN
1987-88
Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.

LIBYA
1989
Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down.

VIRGIN ISLANDS
1989
Troops
St. Croix Black unrest after storm.

PHILIPPINES
1989
Jets / Air cover provided for government against coup.

PANAMA
1989-90
Troops, bombing
Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.

LIBERIA
1990
Troops
Foreigners evacuated during civil war.

SAUDI ARABIA
1990-91
Troops, jets Iraq countered after invading Kuwait; 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.

IRAQ
1990-?
Bombing, troops, naval Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; no-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south, large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.

KUWAIT
1991
Naval, bombing, troops Kuwait royal family returned to throne.

LOS ANGELES
1992
Troops
Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.

SOMALIA
1992-94
Troops, naval, bombing U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.

YUGOSLAVIA
1992-94
Naval Nato blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.

BOSNIA
1993-95
Jets, bombing No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.

HAITI
1994-96
Troops, naval
Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.

CROATIA
1995
Bombing
Krajina Serb airfields attacked before Croatian offensive.

ZAIRE (CONGO)
1996-97
Troops
Marines at Rwandan Hutu refuge camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.

LIBERIA
1997
Troops
Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

ALBANIA
1997
Troops
Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

SUDAN
1998
Missiles
Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.

AFGHANISTAN
1998
Missiles
Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.

IRAQ
1998-?
Bombing, Missiles
Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.

YUGOSLAVIA
1999-?
Bombing, Missiles
Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo.

YEMEN
2000
Naval
Suicide bomb attack on USS Cole.

MACEDONIA
2001
Troops
NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.

UNITED STATES
2001
Jets, naval
Response to hijacking attacks.

AFGHANISTAN
2001
Massive U.S. mobilization to attack Taliban, Bin Laden. War could expand to Iraq, Sudan, and beyond.
(The first bombing began on October 7, 2001. Several Afghan cities come under aerial attack. The story continues).

You know, it's funny- most people, when confronted with this, throw it in with the "conspiracy theory" stuff.

I think it's just because they can't get their minds around it.

happened to us in the 1890's that gave us the idea we should be meddling in the affairs of half of the countries on Earth?

Good reading, if you can tolerate "conspiracy theories". </sarcasm>
You are aware I hope that much of Germany's SS ended up in Amurka's SS. The third reich didn't lose, they just up and moved. MONEY is what has ruled history, our government, and the projection of our military power.

Make sure to read both the positive and negative reviews prior to digging in. I am sure the govt is capable of providing negative reviews for things that it deems "unacceptable". I am sure the wingnuts would rather Kerry and Mike Ruppert didn't testify before Congress regarding Iran/Contra. Now there was a perfect conspiracy, run by a perfectly innocent administration. </sarcasm>

First Sentence:
Secret societies not only exist, they have played an important role in national and international events right up to this day.

Read the first page
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0060931841/ref=sib_fs_bod/104-2385254-2509532?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S00W&checkSum=KZp%2BBvDziB2Z6e%2BHwd%2FMohMSOc1pnLwyeHlfZizFNlk%3D#reader-link

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One of the premises of 'Rule by Secrecy' is that an accidental view of history, taught to everyone and accepted by most without having critically thought of the implications, is wrong. Marrs proposes a conspiratorial view of history (perfectly valid, by the way) to explain world history and our planet's present course. He weaves together a big picture, conspiratorial view of history by explaining the actions and structure of secret societies, past and present economic systems, past wars and past actions of key political figures, and other tidbits such as "Ancient Mysteries" (a revealing section at the end of the book).

Marrs makes a reasonable case that "a few people run everything". Uttering this type of phrase usually causes a person to be branded as paranoid or worse. Read this book - then see if you still agree that such a phrase is paranoid. Given our system of mass media, capitalistic socialism that hints at an ultimate goal of globalism, dynasties passed on from the robber barons with an interest in retaining power and wealth, and two dominant political parties in the United States that always seem to happen to produce candidates and Presidents from secret societies, the book tends to be more believable than one might suspect.

I particularly like the way Marrs ends 'Rule by Secrecy'. Even if the accidental view of history paradigm is the truth, he encourages the reader to be open minded and become more educated. No matter what conclusions you reach at the end of the book, the enormous effort and prodigious amount of research and work Marrs gave to the book makes it worth reading.

Someone should really start adding up how many people we have killed over the years.

Ruby Ridge and Waco.

This was our genocide. But Native Americans had a more "socialist" lifestyle so they were evil...

edit-Korean would be close except for "M.A.S.H."

to the point that they needed their land seized, their buffalo slaughtered for fun and laughs (they never killed more than they needed for the winter) their women raped, their villages burned, their way of life scoffed at and ridiculed.

Jesus must be kicking some cowboy ass somewhere... hey, don't we have a cowboy (fake) in Texas somewhere who needs his ass kicked? Like they say, bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve....

Who knows what band has the lyrics "I'm on the outside, I'm looking in, see your true colors, etc etc.... I need

Oh nevermind... I just googled "I'm on the outside, I'm looking in and got the lyrics for "Outside" by Staind. I must remember to thank whomever created the internet someday soon. :)

STAIND LYRICS

"Outside"

And you
Bring me to my knees
Again
All the times
That I could beg you please
In vain
All the times
That I felt insecure
For you
And I leave
My burdens at the door

But I'm on the outside
I'm looking in
I can see through you
See your true colors
'Cause inside you're ugly
You're ugly like me
I can see through you
See to the real you

All the times
That I felt like this won't end
It's for you
And I taste
What I could never have
It was from you
All the times
That I've cried
My intentions
Full of pride
But I waste
More time than anyone

But I'm on the outside
And I'm looking in
I can see through you
See your true colors
'Cause inside you're ugly
You're ugly like me
I can see through you
See to the real you

All the times
That I've cried
All this wasted
It's all inside
And I feel
All this pain
Stuffed it down
It's back again
And I lie
Here in bed
All alone
I can't mend
But I feel
Tomorrow will be OK

But I'm on the outside
And I'm looking in
I can see through you
See your true colors
'Cause inside you're ugly
You're ugly like me
I can see through you
See to the real you

drove heards of cattle. The Govt and soldiers killed the indians.

imagine... some things never change.

...of our little to-do with Mexico (1846-1848) which served as a dress rehearsal for the leadership of both sides of our later (1860-1865) intramural scrimmage...I occasionally hit small monuments dedicated exclusively to this war in New England villages which remind me of an extremely "forgotten" war...

aka Metacomet? Massasoit's son....resisted the colonists late 1600's in New England. Yep, largely "forgotten", IMHO.

The prototype of all the VietNams to follow.

You have the feeling that the US Foreign Policy and Military Wonks
have not learned a thing since then, same old tactics and tricks even
though they long since ceased to work.

No one knows ANYTHING about this. I was called a liar by my BIL, and was told it was just some more "made up liberal shit." He's was an officer in the military! He shut up when we googled.....

I majored in history in college, and wasn't even taught that there....

muslims came from, among many other now familiar themes, like destroying
the village to save it.

Frankly the war on drugs has the most casaualties and troops deployed
over the longest period of any war ever fought by the US. Its lasted
70+ years, has killed and incarcerated millions illegally, has sponsored
foreign wars in several nations where unknown numbers have died,
arguably to the millions and destabilizes today a good many nations.

If you want a more "war" war, there is teh american deployment of troops
to fight inside russia in 1920... completely forgotten. There is the
first invasion of korea in 1875 with a gunboat the koreans destroyed
near pyongyang killing all the marines on board.

But given you're watching a MSM station, surely it would mean the korean
war.

As things have gotten worse, the coverage seems to have gotten thinner and thinner.

This weekend it is all "good election" stories, yet many parts of the war easily and quickly become forgotten.

Constant low-grade involvement.

which was fought by the English against the Native Americans who were allied with the French. Other than that, I don't know much about it.

And native americans fought on both sides.

The Americas have referred to as such since the 1500s.

dirty dirty war.

We have learned nothing from that war, or if we did, it sure as hell was forgotten.