Did y'all see Dick Morris column on Gore and Hillary?

Now, I don't have much time for Morris, but he is occasionally insightful. He's suggesting that, "Democrats are slowly waking up to the possibility that they may have the '04 election in their grasp, only to throw it away on the Dean candidacy. This is generating tremendous intra-party pressure on Gore and Hillary to run."

Does anyone believe that? I don't. I think the party is increasingly optimistic that Dean will pimp slap Bush. I think the only people who think Dean is unelectable are the pundits.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/5261.htm

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There is no guarantee that Dean is going to be the nominee. He may or may not win Iowa, and will almost certainly win New Hampshire, but States like California, Illinois, Missouri, and Texas are much more populated and therefore have more delegates than the aforementioned states. So it seems that maybe Morris is off base here. Why don't we just wait and see how this all plays out?

Not only is he almost always wrong, few people are so worthy of being ad-hominemed.

chances of winning the nomination and election, but Dean's supporters, who number over 360,000, were convinced a long time ago.

Other than being a sexual deviant- he's also an accomplished liar who wishes no good will toward Democrats.

I wouldn't believe a word Morris said even if I was standing in the middle of a hurricane and Dick predicted rain.

Really- he's a second rate tool.

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I think Hillary will run. Go girl!!!

most others else i have heard. I do agree that should Gore get in the race He could beat Bush's ASS, but here are some quotes...

"But the Democrats know that the president has an ace up his sleeve: Howard Dean. This ultra-liberal, who Bush could defeat with his eyes closed, is racing into the lead in the Democratic field."

Complete nonsense...Shows he knows nothing of DEAN.

"My guess is that Hillary would be just as happy to see Dean win the nomination and get slaughtered in November by Bush. That would make W a two-term president despite having no real base of popularity, and open the way for her to run in 2008. Since Dean has no chance of beating Bush, she needn't worry that an incumbent Democratic president would bar her way until 2012, when she'll be 65."

I would have a hard time believing this.


"But Hillary would be most unhappy to see Gore get the nod. Since Al would be a good bet to win, her nightmare scenario of a Bush defeat and no open field in 2008 would be coming to pass. So should Gore begin to make a move, Hillary will likely get into the race to pre-empt him."

Or this:


"Why is Bush falling so badly? The superficial reasons are the Iraq casualties, the failure to find WMDs and the continuing inability to round up Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. But the real reason is that terror is receding as an issue, largely due to Bush's success.

The solution for Bush is to put terrorism back on the front burner by high profile and aggressive action against Iran and/or North Korea. It's not necessary to wag the dog, but Bush should wag his tongue and raise the profile of these two remaining threats to our security."

That is scary.

Man, this guy is a lunatic. What successes? Because we didn't get hit again. We've only been hit about 10 times in our entire history, and half of those were internal terrorists.

I'd say the odds of more than one in 2 years is so low that it's not Bush's success but just dumb luck. (In Bush's case, the operative word is DUMB.)
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Dean is not a liberal and Hilary and Bill aren't plotting for 2008 by hoping the 2004 candidate loses. That is typical snotty spew from Dick Morris.

And I agree Gore would Kick dubya's A

If he enters the race, it's a whole new game.

The Whore Press is desperately twisting to find ways to talk about Gore, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton... ANYONE but the actual candidates.

It won't help them, though. The Chimp is going back to the zoo, come election time.

.... he would still be able to find work as a political consultant. Instead, he works as a political pundit.

He is a two-bit 'hoe, and will go to where the money and attention are, and will say pretty much anything to get in the spotlight. Watching him on TV is sad, kinda like seeing Ted Nugent play free at the state fair. You just wish they would realize that they are past their prime and fade away into a well deserved anonymity.

They both have way too much baggage and are so hated by the right that a ticket with either of them on it would revitalize the conservative base.

They still couldn't muster the votes to defeat Gore.

Not Gore. It should have been an easy win. Florida should have been irrelevant. Gore is a weaker candidate now and bush is a MUCH stronger candidate now. Gore is a poor campaigner bush is a relatively good campaigner.

Gore got more votes than Bush or Clinton, for that matter. That race was fought like hell by Gore's people.
Why would someone who went to the pols and voted for Gore not do it again?
Now we can speculate on that all we want.

does everything he can to keep Hillary in the forefront (he lies a lot) so he can always have a job bashing the Clinton's.

He has nothing to say that I want or need to hear. You even write that you disagree with the article.

I guess I could post an article negative about a candidate and then claim that I disagreed with it. That would be rather PSYOPish and avoid confrontation, but I'm not up for it.

...for either Gore or Hillary at this point. I don't sense any. I think we're doing fine with the candidates we've got, namely Howard Dean.

is promoted by the corporate media as a way of avoiding coverage of the Democratic Candidates who are already in the running and making much progress. If Wesley Clark does not declare (I think he will) he will have performed the same function, taken some focus off the Democrats who have already declared.

It's pretty much of a Dean thing right now- Hillary has pledged not to run anyway.

(I like Kerry too- get off my back Kerryites!)

This "Dean can't win" stuff is getting old. Morris said he can't win because he signed "gay marriages" and is soft on terrorism. Simply not true, and a taste of the lies we will hear about Dean. Of course Dean signed "civil unions" and is not at all soft on terrorism. He will beat the drum on the war and more funding for homeland security. These issues can work to his favor.

Dick Morris is a ass, I saw his book review on CSPAN "Off with there heads". He is just another spokesman for the global elite.

So Dick the toe sucker is working for the GOP trying to push Hillary, before she's really ready for the job. I would vote for her, but am concerned that she wouldn't win in 2004. If Dean gets the nomination and picks Clark as his running mate, I think that would be a good ticket with a very good chance to take the election. I wasn't a Dean fan from the start, but have really liked both his message and the fact that he isn't what Bartcop calls a "pink-tutu democrat".

Dean supporters need to wake up before it's to late. Dean can't win the presidency with just the support of anti-war Democrats and that is all he will get.

Thanks for your opinion. I'm fully awake and Dean is my candidate.

Of course I'm in a bit of a fringe group: A postgrad educated Army veteran who pays taxes and raises a family. I know- I'm a kooky "librul".

of anti-war democrats?

I fail to see how Dean is perceived as unelectable. The biggest lightning rod I can think of is his support for civil unions for gays, and all he has to do to explain that in the South is to say that he believes that individual states should be able to make that decision without interference from the federal government. Aren't Southern conservatives in support of states' rights?

This whole "Dean is unelectable" is a Rove/Lieberman/Bush* ruse.

And for his entire tenure as a politician, it's been Dean's, too, on almost every controversial issue. That's why I DON'T like or trust Howard Dean. His sudden conversion to populist rhetoric doesn't sway me.

are going to support Dean, even with the cowardly "state's rights" line he parrots ?

Sheesh.

Them voting for Dean would be like us voting for Delay.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Dean's half the reason Bush is in trouble right now.

If somehow "sheeple-powered-Howard" manages to get the nomination, the Deanieboppers will only wake up when BushCo stomps us on election day and dances all over the Democratic Party's grave. That is the only thing that will make the Dean supporters happy. Recent polls show that only 65% of NH Dean supporters think he can beat Bush, which means they are in this to wreck the party a la McGovern in '72.

I think he is just troling for a way to get into the game.....I don't think he is right and Hillary and Gore will not run. It would piss all the candidates off and then pundits would say that the party is in diarray.


And Besides I do not thin either Gore or Hillary can beat Bush.

Gore because well he is Gore and the electorate does not want a do-over.

Hillary because she surely would rally the GOP base against her..

I will make this prediction however. Should by some odd tist of fate Graham gets the nod....Hillary might be shortlisted for VP.

I saw him on T.V. yesterday. He said
AWOL should start attacking Iran, that
this would make him popular and likely
to win in 04.

I don't believe that, people are sick
of AWOL's wars and all the mess it has
gotten us into. I think if he tried to
seriously threaten Iran the world would
rise up against him.

I keep hearing repubs talk of how Dean does not have a chance and why don't the dems run someone else. Now why would the repubs care so much about the dems getting a candidate that can win? And hy do they want us to run Lieberman/Gephardt/Kerry?

They are scared of Dean, and they should be scared of Dean.