Folks, Mr. Bush is not 'off the hook' yet, not by a long way.

218 dead American soldiers.

1,044 wounded American soldiers.

Oh yeah, and this, from the White House's own web page:

The U.N. and U.S. intelligence sources have known for some time that Saddam Hussein has materials to produce chemical and biological weapons, but he has not accounted for them:

26,000 liters of anthrax—enough to kill several million people

38,000 liters of botulinum toxin

500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agents

Almost 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents
From three Iraqi defectors, we know that Iraq in the late 1990s had several mobile biological weapons labs. But he has not disclosed them.

Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including al-Qaida members. He could provide hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own. It would take just one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/response/disarm.html

I wonder why we haven't found any of this. This is and has been the principle rationale for going to war. Ain't none of it true. None of it. None of it.

Niger = 1 lie. Above = a mob of lies.

I don't know about you, but I am taking this Tenet suicide as a dare. They want to pretend "the President is moving on" from all this? Fine. I'm not moving on.

This just got real interesting. Anyone want to join me to watch the rest unfold? We stil have a lot of work to do.

Who needs soap operas when you have the unravelling of the BFEE?

Don't tell 'em you're back to watch the "games begin" - tell 'em you're eager to see more questions answered about this Iraqi intelligence scandal (don't call it a flap - that minimizes it) because so many of our troops seem to be getting killed on FALSE PRETENSES! Say you want answers! Tell 'em that George Tenet's statement only made you more suspicious and you think the White House is covering something up. Tell 'em you're back and you want to know more - that you hope someone will get to the bottom of this.

Thank you very much. My motto will be "I want answers."

"I Want Answers!"

on another thread. It ain't over until WE say it is over. I think a lot of us will be very happy to work on this.

Keep the fires stoked. I'm not letting go of this bone any time soon.

Yup, I'm in for the watching... Pass the popcorn, please. This ought to be better than the Senator Sam Ervin show of the Watergate era....

One billion dollars a week.

that long litany of lies...

how typical of the coward to want to call "game over" when there's a chance he won't be able to control the ending.

No sense being nice. If they're going to expose our troops with no real plan and in the service of privatized greed, they need to be harassed at every turn. Death is forever. (Oh, alright, MAYBE there's something else...but the grieving children, shattered dreams, we KNOW THEY EXIST)

We need to stop talking about just the American dead; that makes us more hated, and we deserve it. It's about the 10,000ish human beings who are no more. That means Iraqi Military Dead are people too; they were defending their homeland from invasion. Every person. Every person is the murder victim of Snippy the Blunder Boy.

You're almost right: he WON'T be able to control the ending. Maybe they can spin it some more; I'm looking forward to Gyro-Ari's replacement...

Sad.

thanks for your great writing in truthout re: uranium issue. One part of uranium timeline that was missing: December 19, 2002 State Department Fact Sheet which read:

"The Declaration ignores efforts to procure uranium from Niger. Why is the Iraqi regime hiding their uranium procurement?"

Just another piece of the puzzle.

Question: did you coin the term "slaughtergate"?

That was Ted Rall's word.

A "non-mea culpa" mea culpa if ever I saw one. He's leaving the door wide open. Condi told him he had to say this, so he said it, but in a way that is NOT going to give Condi or Rummy or Karl or Dickie or Wolfie or the Chimp any joy. Not if there are any brains or nerve left on our side whatsoever.

All Tenet did was CONFIRM the fact that, even after the CIA told the WH the niger story was bogus, the WH still wanted to put it in the speech. The WH is stuck saying that since the CIA didn't stop them from deliberately lying, it's the CIA's fault. You didn't stop me from killing therefore you're the murderer? Oh sure, that's gonna hold up.

Tenet goes before the Intel committee next week, yes? Carl Levin on that committee I think? Oh it ain't over, not by a long chalk. And what's more, I don't think Tenet MEANT it to be.

"The People of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens peace with weapons of Mass Murder." GWB

who was living at Iraq's mercy?

It is about the Uranium Lie, it is about WMD, dont kid yourself Bush.

Well of course he lied, he was told by the CIA that the information was not true. Powell refused to use the info in UN presentation. The Gopers will spin it and say he didn't lie. It would be worse had he not lied, it would mean that he could be fooled very easily and is a danger to America and incompetenet to serve as Commander in Chief.

This an impeachable offense!
Where are the house manglers?
Where is the outrage?
It's not like lives were lost and still are, or that it cost the US tax payer $4 billion every month.

When we found out that LBJ lied and got us involved in Vietam Democrats turned on him. Why? Because we have honor, we put our country before our party! Don't expect Gopers to do the same.

...that we can dismember this web of lies quickly by focusing, asking the right question, and demanding an answer - one lie at a time. I think that the SOTU lie is easiest to prove. If we simply ask "Who demanded that the Niger disinformation be included?" and ask again and again until it is answered, then this whole Administration will collapse in record time. This isn't complicated.

That needs to be asked and answered too.
Welcome to DU

the Niger Uranium portion of lies that's under attack, & that's only because the highly credible whistleblowers (Wilson, McGovern, etc) have come forward. The missing WMD themselves ("Dog ate my WMD") are not causing that much of a stir, incredibly enough.

Certainly the situation w regard to Nigerien Uranium is getting fascinating. Right now, the NYT top story says Bush affirms faith in Tenet & "President Bush said he considered the matter closed." The Times' frontpaging that seems a bit ominous to me.

In a way, if you were giving awards for "Unmatched Brilliance in the Field of Corruption," getting Tenet to fall on his sword within a few hours yesterday deserves an Oscar. If they had told him he had to roll over on the floor then sit up begging like a poodle, they probably could have got him to do that, too.

In fact, to me it looks like the Niger Uranium lie is the paradigm for all the other Iraq lies.
I believe that it will be the basis of a civil suit, much like Clinton was threatened with.

The penalties for which could financially break the Repub party for decades.

By the time we get done with the Bushies, the Cheneys, and the rest of the PNAC fascists, they will be scrounging for aluminum cans on the side of the highway.

Imagine Poppy being presented with a bill for damages and fraud to the tune of 4B a month...

negative story that takes attention away from the real story...

THE LITANY of lies you mentioned that were created by our intelligence services before the war at the behest of the WH.

Beware the SOTU story is a Rovean landmine... don't go down that alley...

Instead, take the freeway...

some folks suspect that each weakness and ass covering manuver is a Rove trap.

Could you give me examples of other sucessful Rove trap stories?

The real super-traps by Rove are so intricately concocted that he leaves no fingerprints and bleeds off into the night like a shadow.

:)

he was led to blieve it was a scoop, then later it was used to discredit him.

Mark my words, they control "reality" as it is defined by TV. If something bad comes out on TV it's because Rove let, it or engcouraged it.

My take on the missing WMDs it that it was a trap the whole time, and when Rove didn't foster the opposition he expected, he had to seed it himself.

In my scenario, another attack will happen on America, and it will be the fault of all the Anti-War liberals who spent the nations energy going against Bush.

If I were a facist dictator, that's what I'd do intead of resigning in disgrace and going to jail. Especially if I had conrol of all branches of the government, the armed services and the media.

These guys are not going to relinquish control, no matter what, get it?

Rememeber the end of every mafia movie? they always say - they were all caught and the mob desn't exist anymore. Right... The Mob moved into the gov with the Kennedy assassination and right now this whole WMD thing is a classic mafia protection scheme on a global scale.

Ah Haldemman, Erlichmann and Dean, we remember you too....

You fell on your swords as commanded by Caesar. You too commited suicide on command from Hail Caesar, yet Caesar also fell.

We commend yuo gentlemen for your loyalty to Caesar, and remember you...

This time around the long litanny of Suicides commanded by Caesar has started, but the people are forming once again a wolfpack. The people will not rest until Caesar falls on his sword just like your Ceasar did oh so many years ago.

We are the wolf pack. we like our Republic and it will not become an Empire....

According to Bush and Tenet. But, the evidencnce in Iraq says it's very suspect intelligence. Yet both say the CIA is credible. Tenets "mistake" covers for Bush and explains nothing.

Past scandals have always involved people having to remind themselves why they were supposed to be mad. Watergate and Monica may have offended sensibilities,and fueled resentments that originated from philosophical differences,but in the end they didn't directly endanger peoples lives or families. This is different.

This is about being intentionally led to believe that there was a real threat of a nuclear attack,and that our lives were in danger. The response to this supposed threat cost the lives of peoples children..and it was all a lie. This won't go away.

Where he admitted there was NO new evidence to justify the rush to war.

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Wednesday the United States did not go to war with Iraq because of dramatic new evidence of banned weapons but because it saw existing information on Iraqi arms programs in a new light after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

"The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit" of weapons of mass destruction, Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light -- through the prism of our experience on 9-11."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=30898&mesg_id=30898&page=

Why don't I believe it???

...but how many times do you have to be slapped in the face before you recognize who's slapping you?

- As per standard operating procedure...the media will slap the Bushies around a bit and all will be forgotten...until the next 'newsworthy' event takes its place.

- We've seen this same scenario played over and over again...with exactly the same results. If things get really rough...they'll have a few Bushie underlings fall on their swords...but leave the Pretender untouched. The story has already become that Bush* was the one that was lied to...not Bush* AS the liar.

- The Reagan Memory Hole has its mouth wide open...waiting to swallow up Bush's* latest lies.

It's a whole bunch of different hands.

Not quitting, though. Fuck that. What's the alternative? I did apathy for years, and all I got out of it was a beer gut and high cholesterol.

all your tenacity!!

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Bush Considers Iraq Uranium Issue Closed

Sat Jul 12,12:17 PM ET

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush ( news -web sites ) said Saturday he had confidence in CIA ( news -web sites ) Director George Tenet despite his agency's failure to warn Bush against making allegations about Iraq ( news -web sites )'s nuclear weapons program later found false.

"Yes I do, absolutely," Bush said. "I've got confidence in George Tenet. I've got confidence in the men and women who work at the CIA and I look forward to working with them as we win this war on terror."

The president spoke in Abuja, Nigeria, at the end of a five-country trip through Africa.

Bush asserted in his State of the Union address in January that Iraq had sought nuclear materials from Africa. Nearly six months later, the White House acknowledged the charge was false, and the tempest that followed has shadowed Bush on his five-country trip through Africa.

Bush considers the matter closed, said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer ( news -web sites ). "The president has moved on," he said. - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=1&u=/ap/20030712/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq

#1-Tenet takes the blame, and keeps his job.
#2-Tenet is told to take blame, or be fired, and he will get the
blame anyway!

what I hear is "well, yeah, Bush lied, knew it was a lie, and insisted on doing it anyway, but somebody should have stopped him."

Bush did a lot of swaggering around, telling everybody that it was HIS decision when we would go to war. He has always claimed the absolute right to have his own way. Remember the comment, something to the effect that the nice thing about being president was that he didn't have to explain his actions to other people, they had to explain their actions to him.

Bush knew it was a lie, and chose to tell it anyway. Now, typical of the dry drunk, abusive person he is, he attempts to shift the blame to somebody else. Reminds me of the man who beats up on his wife, and then says, "Now look what you've made me do!"

The man is pathetic. As far as I'm concerned, it's not over, it's just getting started.

he attempts to shift the blame to somebody else." Pretty much pinpoints the problem with the Resident. Now we just need to get the whole nation to a CODA meeting.

Get the puppet out of the way then expose the man behind the curtain. Oh, Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.

Dammit, he's the Commander-in-Chief!

This happened on HIS watch, no matter what Tenet says. The Bush Administration is responsible.

Who will take the blame? Have these bastards ever taken responsibility for ANYTHING?

The buck sure as hell doesn't stop at the CIA.

Some half-assed excuse isn't going to cut it.

This dog will hunt.

Hear me out, Will. We cannot pin all of our hopes on this.

The following potential scenario terrifies me:

1) Some chemical weapons have already been found by the CIA.

2) Tenet has agreed to sit on these weapons for Dumbass*.

3) This is the body that Tenet knows is buried and where it is buried.

4) Tenet gets to keep his job no matter how hard the Democratic minority calls for his head.

5) Dumbass* continues to express confidence in Tenet.

6) During the Democratic Conbvention next summer, Tenet breaks into the middle of the naming of the nominee with the following breaking news:

It is with great pleasure that I can announce the CIA has discovered and confirmed a stockpile of 25 tones of sarin gas in Iraq just moments ago.

Check and mate for Rove.