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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:52 PM
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I think Lieberman did well tonight, wanna make somethin' of it?
;)

I would gladly vote for Joe over * any day.

Let's also remember Paul Wellstone voted for Gore/Lieberman, and he was a true 'progressive'.

I am a firm Dean supporter, but I refuse to sell short the differences between JL and GW, you?

There were many others who did well this evening, but I think b/c JL is so 'hated' here, I'd like to discuss.
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sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:53 PM
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1. You could run a pile of dung against *
and i would vote for the dung.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:54 PM
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2. he he
Bush/Cheney vs. Dung/Stench.

Dung/stench it is!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:54 PM
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3. sarcasm noted, but this was Joe's best performance so far
He's still my least favorite, but I actually applauded him a couple of times.

I will vote for him if he is nominated.

But until then, I'm a Kucinich supporter all the way!
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:56 PM
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7. I agree, Sharpton is 'slappin' that donkey...Lieberman included.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 08:57 PM by gully
:D And Dennis Rocked BTW!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:09 PM
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28. Sharpton has really impresed me this whole campaign
I was expecting some stereotypical black activist, but he is a committed progressive and a fabulous orator.

I'm still a Kucinich guy, but Dean, Braun, Edwards, Graham and Kerry are all making this a tough choice. So many good Democrats to choose from--finally!--after all these years.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:12 PM
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29. OMG, I totally agree. We are blessed with many qualified candidates
who seem to give a shit, FINALLY!!!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:56 PM
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8. Yes it was
I even started a post about Lieberman sounding like a Democrat tonight.

Face it, it's finally dawned on him that Bushlite isn't working and he better change his tune. I'm not buying it.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:54 PM
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4. JL represents MY interests the LEAST

but would I vote for him over *

duh
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sham Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:58 PM
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12. not me...
If Lieberman is the nom (which won't happen), I abstain.

(And before anyone gets on my case, I live in a safe state for Bush*, so call me a bad person if you must, but my not voting for someone that I loathe will have no impact on the outcome, and I won't have to feel dirty for it.)
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:55 PM
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5. i'd vote for...
The book Treason (basically a piece of junk) over Bush, so it doesn't matter much.
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cpa Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:56 PM
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6. Joe Lieberman
He came out strong for civil rights. Let's remember that any Democrat is better than the current occupant of the White House.
The most discouraging thing i heard was that 69% of Americans support the Patriot Act. I don't know why that is.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:56 PM
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9. They don't know what 'it' is...
Sad really.
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:58 PM
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14. it's because
they ask about 1500 people and somehow that translates into the ENTIRE nation.

Don't believe that bullshit.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:59 PM
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16. 69%
haven't read it, or don't have a legal education or access to a place like DU where it's discussed without The Battle Hymn of the Republic playing in the background.

If people REALLY knew what it allowed the gov't to do ... they'd be shittin' in their knickers.


:hippie:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:03 PM
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22. In the same poll, just 10% say they are "very familiar" with it. (NT)
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:16 PM
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32. It's because those evil bastards knew just what they were
doing when they wrapped it in a flag and called it the PATRIOT act. To top it off they blather on about it "helping local police do their jobs and keeping our firefighters and emergency responders safe" and other such platitudes.

Oh, you don't like the PATRIOT act? You must want policemen to get killed and terrorists to blow up retirement homes and daycare centers!

That's why they're in favor of it. It was sold to them by aoltimewarnerabccbsnbcdisney.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:57 PM
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10. Why then is Joe booed everywhere he goes?
I think he is shooting himself in the foot at these events. Especially when he lies about the other Dems.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:00 PM
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18. Joe is booed b/c people don't care for his
position on the Iraq war, nor for his saying "Bush did the right thing ect..." I have had my moments of wanting to 'slap' Joe but he is a far cry from a Republican.
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:57 PM
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11. he gave a performance
of an assured and experienced politician..whether that resonates with democrats remains to be seen..
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:58 PM
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13. Well, being booed moderately instead of continuously is an improvement.
He didn't come off well fighting with Dean, though the event will put him in the news.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:58 PM
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15. I think he did well, too ...
he had some decent moments and, as you said, he is a THOUSAND times better than Whistle-ass.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:00 PM
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17. Gosh, I missed the event. Had some paint drying that needed watching.
(I'm only half kidding here)
:eyes:
But I didn't watch it. I have been busy. And I feel a bit of guilt because many people I know have NOT been busy.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:02 PM
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19. Of course DINO Joe wins over BFEE, BUT....
he's dead last among the Dem contenders, IMHO.

But this discussion is completely academic. DINO Joe won't win the Dem nomination.
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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:02 PM
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20. Lieberman is a truly despicable character
I don't give a fuck what political party follows his name. He represents the worst elements of our political system; bias, ignorance, religious-in a bad way- unwilling to challenge the status quo. I detest him.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:02 PM
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21. Oh fer cripesakes...
Let's also remember Paul Wellstone voted for Gore/Lieberman, and he was a true 'progressive'.

Wellstone voted for Gore/Lieberman because that was the Democratic Party ticket and Wellstone was a DEMOCRAT! Of COURSE he'd vote for his party's nominees! He'd never betray his party!

I just hope and pray that Lieberman ISN'T the Dem nominee. AFAIC, that would spell the utter demise of the Democratic Party.

sw
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:06 PM
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25. Uhm, no kidding. But Wellstone was very supportive of JL's choice
for VP.

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:04 PM
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23. I think you are right
I think he did very well tonight. I am still pissed at him for his very moderate stance. But I must admidt, he impressed me.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:04 PM
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Lieberman himself aligned his beliefs w/ Bush's
Last winter around the time he declared !

He said something to the effect that he and Bush 'stood no more than an inch apart' on most policy issues, and that because he had worked so closely with Bush, he was the one candidate to beat him.

:wtf: Ok, he's essentially said he's 'just like Bush' - tonight he comes out and bashes the very policies and 'move to the right' that he defended less than 2 months ago (search archives: "Lieberman Declares a Dem move to the left will mean Defeat")

Why doesn't that thought process compute for me ??


:hippie:
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:04 PM
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24. I think he did well too
He had good and bad moments, but it sounded like he earned some genuine applause once or twice.
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:06 PM
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26. Doesn't Matter
Joe has baggage from the last election or appointment if you will, just being shackled to Gore( whom I greatly admire) is enough to doom him alone. I doubt people want any ties to the past selection. Joe also comes off with really quetionable remarks at times that make you wonder which the hell side he is on?
So...................Let Joe go!

And lets focus on a new face with a message and hopefully a backbone and support that individual. And we better do it and fast.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:08 PM
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27. I don't think he'll get the nom...
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 09:09 PM by gully
And he's far from my first choice, but to quote Paul Wellstone;

"The differences make a difference in the lives of ordinary Americans."

Joe Lieberman is NO George Bush...regardless of his wimpy positions on a few of the issues.

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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:12 PM
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30. I agree.......
He did well in making an ASS out of himself. I can't stomach that self rightous DINO. He should switch parties and get it over with,for Khrist's sake.A real rightwinger,no doubt about it. :puke:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:13 PM
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31. PULEEZZE, let's have an original though, mmmmk? N/T
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adityanm Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:18 PM
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33. Who was responsible for Bush victory in 2000?
Of course it was Gore who chose JL as his running mate.
It showed how topsy turvey his administration would have been, had he really taken office.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:19 PM
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34. Bullshit!
Let's guess, Nader voter?
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