Hitler, Like a current world leader was a devout Christian and a believer

in providence:

From: http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

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In a Reichstag speech in 1938, Hitler again echoed the religious origins of his crusade. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."

Hitler regarded himself as a Catholic until he died. "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," he told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941.

There was really no reason for Hitler to doubt his good standing as a Catholic. The Catholic press in Germany was eager to curry his favor, and the princes of the Catholic Church never asked for his excommunication. Religions encourage their followers to hold authority in unquestioning respect; this is what makes devout religionists such wonderful dupes for dictators.

When Hitler narrowly escaped assassination in Munich in November, 1939, he gave the credit to providence. "Now I am completely content," he exclaimed. "The fact that I left the Burgerbraukeller earlier than usual is a corroboration of Providence's intention to let me reach my goal." Catholic newspapers throughout the Reich echoed this, declaring that it was a miraculous working of providence that had protected their Fuhrer. One cardinal, Michael Faulhaber, sent a telegram instructing that a Te Deum be sung in the cathedral of Munich, "to thank Divine Providence in the name of the archdiocese for the Fuhrer's fortunate escape." The Pope also sent his special personal congratulations!

Later the Pope was to publicly describe Hitler's opposition to Russia as a "highminded gallantry in defense of the foundations of Christian culture." Several German bishops openly supported Hitler's invasion of Russia, calling it a "European crusade."

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The difference is that Bush believes in the "Rapture" and feels that the Jewish State in Israel is a precursor to Armageddon so wants to do his best to hurry things along.

I know it's considered to be bad taste to compare our Commander in Chief to Hitler... I can't help it, though. I'm one of those brain damaged Liberals.

i thot 'never again' etc but the only ones who it appears have learned anything are the fascists, who learned to hide EVERYTHING under a mantle of questions

Probably from an anti catholic site but still they site sources and any student of history has to admit the Roman Catholic church has many skeletons in its vast 2000 year old closet.


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The Papacy from 1919 to 1990
http://www.bibletoday.com/events/manoftheyear_text.htm

1919: Hitler's Nazi-ism was born. Archbishop Pacelli (who became Pope Pius XII) gave Hitler Church Money to "help his small, struggling band of anti-Communists 'go quell the devil's work,' Pacelli told Hitler."
Under Vatican pressure, part of Ukraine was taken from Communist Soviet Russia and given to Catholic Poland.

1922: Much to the Vatican's delight, Mussolini set up a Fascist dictatorship in Italy.

1925: Any Vatican representative was forbidden to enter the Soviet Union. From this time the real Vatican campaign against the Soviet Union "began to flood 'the whole world.'" Later the Vatican established Fascist parties in most European nations in its attempt to "establish Totalitarianism wherever possible."

1926: Under Vatican pressure, Pilsudski set up a Catholic Fascist dictatorship in Poland. For over 15 years Catholic priests accompanied Polish soldiers in expeditions to punish the "rebel Ukrainians." Orthodox churches were burned and many were executed.

1929: Vatican signed the Lateran Treaty with Mussolini, which guaranteed the full and independent sovereignty of the Vatican State in Vatican City. Also Fascist Italy paid the Vatican a vast sum of money to compensate for the loss of the Papal States in 1870.

1933: The Pope had Franz von Papen persuade President Hindenburg to appoint Hitler to be Chancellor of Germany. Fritz Thyssen, a rich Catholic steel magnate who financed Hitler, wrote an article in the Swiss Arbeiterzeitung entitled, "Pius XII, As Nuncio, Brought Hitler to Power."
"I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits (said Hitler). . . until now there has never been anything more grandiose on the earth than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party."

1936: The Vatican and Mussolini backed General Franco's bloody civil war against the Spanish Republic and vigorously supported his Fascist regime.
1939 - 1941: The Vatican pressured Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belgium and France to cave in to Germany.

1939: The Vatican and Hitler, with the fall of Czechoslovakia, set up a Catholic Fascist State in Slovakia headed by a Catholic prelateu Monsignor Tiso. His regime was brutal toward Jews and non-Roman Catholics. After the war he was executed for war crimes.

1941: The Axis Powers and the Vatican set up the Catholic Fascist Party, Ustashi, in Croatia under the dictatorship of AntePavelic. Archbishop Stepinac was the Supreme Military Vicar of the Ustashi Army. Jews were murdered, Serbian Orthodox churches were destroyed and Serbs were given the choice to convert to Roman Catholicism or be killed.

1943: When it was known that Germany would lose the war, the Vatican and Britain tried to plot the fall of Hitler, then have Germany join forces with Great Britain and the U.S. in a war against Russia.

1945 - 1989: The Axis Powers and the Vatican lost World War II and Communism swept over 1/3 of the world.

1982 - 1989: Pope John Paul and former President Reagan successfully plotted the downfall of the Communist Empire (TIME, February 24, 1992). During this clandestine campaign Archbishop Pio Lashi said to the diplomat, Vernon Walters, "It is a very complex situation . . . listen to the Holy Father (Pope). We have 2,000 years experience at this." It was further observed, "Step by reluctant step, the Soviets and the Communist government of Poland bowed to the pressure imposed by the Pope and the President."

1989: The Communist Empire fell. Papacy finally triumphed over her bitter enemy.

1990: The Pope's ultimate agenda is revealed in the following statement he made on April 21, 1990: "A united Europe is no longer a dream. It is not a utopian memory from the Middle Ages (emphasis added). The events that we are witnessing show that this goal can be reached." The Pope wants to revive the Holy Roman Empire of the Middle (Dark) Ages.

Are the Heavens Rolling Together "as a Scroll"? (Isaiah 34:4)

1992: A group of 40 prominent evangelical and Catholic scholars and leaders has agreed that Christians must stop aggressive proselytizing of one another's flocks and work together more closely to "contend against all that opposes Christ and His cause." "We dare not by needless and loveless conflict between ourselves give aid and comfort to the enemies of the cause of Christ," the statement, signed March 29 in New York, says. "Not since the 16th century have Protestants and Catholics 'joined in a declaration so clear in respect to their common faith and common responsibility.'"
". . . Although the document addresses the relationship between evangelicals and Catholics, it acknowledges that belief in "the one Christ and one mission includes many other Christians," most notably Eastern Orthodox and Protestants outside the evangelical camp. What brought the two communities together to this point, some signers said, are the experiences of worshipping together in the charismatic movement and working together for political causes, such as the pro-life movement. Evangelical Protestants "have much more in common with Bible-believing Catholics" than with liberal Protestants, Charles Colson said.

1993: In November Moody said, "Today, for good or bad, the lines that separate evangelicals and Roman Catholics are fading. More and more people from both sides are working together. . ." Charles Colson writes, "It's high time that all of us who are Christians come together regardless of the difference of our confessions and our tradition . . ." Ministries of Billy Graham, Luis Palau, World Vision, and charismatic groups such as YWAH involve Catholics.

1994: Christianity Today (December 12) observed that the consensus among younger evangelicals is to "collaborate with Roman Catholics."

The ecclesiastical "heavens," in fact, are rolling together. What shall be the result? "The heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll; and their host shall fall down."
"Man of the Year"? The Pope himself is not the "Man of Sin," but he heads the system that is the Man of Sin, the Antichrist. Whether you are a Protestant or Catholic, can you afford not to investigate scripturally the long-held Reformation concept that Papacy is the antichrist? Send for our free booklet, "CHURCH UNION AND THE ANTICHRIST" for more information about how these prophecies are being fulfilled today, and what the future holds.

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1. U.S.A. TODAY, December 8, 1993
2. LUTHERAN WORLD, September, 1960, pp. 128-129.
3. Joseph Tanner, DANIEL AND REVELATION (London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1898), pp. 16, 17.
4. Paul J. Murphy, LA POPESSA (New York: Warner Books, 1980), p. 52.
5. Avro Manhattan, THE VATICAN IN WORLD POLITICS (New York: Horizon Press, Inc., 1949), p. 272.
6. Ibid., pp. 272, 280.
7. Ibid., pp. 273-275 (Many references given for documentation)
8. Murphy, LA POPESSA, and Manhattan, THE VATICAN IN WORLD POLITICS, pp. 22-24.
9. Manhattan, THE VATICAN IN WORLD POLITICS, pp. 168, 169.
10. Leo Lehmann, BEHIND THE DICTATORS (1942), Fritz Thyssen, I PAID HITLER (1941).
11. Hermann Rauschning, HITLER SAID TO ME (1939), pp. 266-267.
12. Manhattan, THE VATICAN IN WORLD POLITICS, pp. 95-99.
13. Ibid., pp. 247-265, 340-341.
14. Ibid., pp. 262-236.
15. Avro Manhattan, THE TERROR OVER YUGOSLAVIA, THE THREAT TO YUGOSLAVIA (London: Watters, 1953).
16. John Loftus & Mark Aarons, THE SECRET WAR AGAINST THE JEWS (St. Martin's Press: New York, 1994), p. 87.
17. NEW YORK TIMES, April 23, 1990.
18. NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL RELIGION REPORT, April 4, 1994.

The foundation and early establishment of the Nazi party owed nothing to the Nuncio. It was to a degree fostered by military intelligence, and various occultists, among others. It was merely one new expression of the Pan-German ideology that had been a very widespread, if crankish, political and cultural stream in German life for several decades previous.

The detachment of large portion of the Ukraine to Poland had nothing to do with Vatican pressure, though the Vatican doubtless approved of it. Poland arose through revolution against both Soviet and German influences, and the issue was not decided until the close of the Russian Civil War, when the Poles defeated the Bolsheviks in a major and bitterly fought campaign, in which Stalin served as a leading commissar, along with Buddyny, later his leading general in the west in 1941, and defiances by these two of orders from Tukachevski, later purged at the start of the officers' purge of '37, were essential to the Polish victory. The attribution to "Vatican pressure" of Marshall Pilsudski's dictatorship is rediculous; he was one of the most effective, if now little known, political gun-men of the last century, who aimed at a dictatorship for himself and shot his way to one fair and square.

The idea that the Vatican established fascist parties all over Europe is stuff and nonsense, even if some onecan be found to have committed such a tale to print for others to cite. The original fascist, Mussolini, had nothing whatever to do with the Vatican; he was a former Socialist, and created his party out of the anger of demobilized soldiers and the penury and backwardness of the Italian countryside, and the anger felt by many that Italy had been swindled out of colonial spoils at the end of World War One. Mussolini promised a modernization of Italy, to make it again a great power. All fascist parties contained this element, and arose, where they arose to real power, in states that were backward industrially and socially.

Nor did "Vatican pressure" have anything to do with the appointment of Hitler by old Hindenberg. Political conditions in Germany of the day dictated that choice. The Nazi party had the largest armed cadre of party militia, and the police and army could not have been relied on to suppress it if it were ordered into the streets. Repeated elections had produced no clear Reichstag majority for any party, nor any possibility of a stable coalition of the center or the left. It is true that the Catholic "Center Party" was essential to Hitler's coalition of Nazis, "Stahl-helm" Nationalists, and the Center Party, and that this last had always been unwilling to combine with the Social Democrats.

This ought to suffice to demonstrate that where the above contains things that are or might be true, they are in all cases put together in a distorted, and distorting, manner. Some persons who have crossed words with me in the past on matters of religion and the Papacy may be expecting to see swine overhead in tight formation aerobatics about now, but this thing just could not be left unanswered in brief.

"Persons who tell lies may not have known the truth, but persons who tell half-lies have forgotten where they put the truth, and are unlikely ever to lay hand to it again."

were a throw back to the early Middle Ages, when the Germans were coming out of barbarism.

People wanted Bonhoeffer to leave Germany because they were concerned for his safety. He said he didn't have the right to rebuild Germany after the war if he didn't stay and fight when the persecution was at its worst.

And his Guiana flock... Torquemada... David Koresh...

Since the inception of Christianity, the villains have been numerous.

I don't get your point.

He definitely wore it on his sleeve.

religion as Bush.

his speeches were soaked in spirituality. Its one of the things that Bush just can't do.

An atheist's view.

--IMM

http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations

Compiled by Jim Walker

Originated: 27 Feb. 1997

Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today's Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a "positive" Christianity:

24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession....


Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of faith. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveals the strength of his Christian feelings:


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Since it's Sunday here in the U S of A, it's time for some quotes from a famous but little mentioned Evangelical leader of the 20th century...

How the History Department at Bob Jones U overlooked this author is difficult to explain.
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My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922




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It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.
-Adolf Hitler, in an article headed "A New Beginning," 26 Feb. 1925


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Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933




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The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life.... The National Government regard the two Christian Confessions as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality. They will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal States. Their rights are not to be infringed.... It will be the Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real national community is just as much in the interest of the German nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith. The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933


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We want honestly to earn the resurrection of our people through our industry, our perseverance, our will. We ask not of the Almighty 'Lord, make us free'!-- we want to be active, to work, to agree together as brothers, to strive in rivalry with one another to bring about the hour when we can come before Him and when we may ask of Him: 'Lord, Thou seest that we have transformed ourselves, the German people is not longer the people of dishonour, of shame, of war within itself, of faintheartedness and little faith: no, Lord, the German people has become strong again in spirit, strong in will, strong in endurance, strong to bear all sacrifices.' 'Lord, we will not let Thee go: bless now our fight for our freedom; the fight we wage for our German people and Fatherland.'
-Adolf Hitler, giving prayer in a speech on May Day 1933


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This is for us a ground for satisfaction, since we desire that the fight in the religious camps should come to an end... all political action in the parties will be forbidden to priests for all time, happy because we know what is wanted by millions who long to see in the priest only the comforter of their souls and not the representative of their political convictions.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to the men of the SA. at Dormund, 9 July 1933 on the day after the signing of the Concordat.
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Hitler's Concordat with the Catholic Church (1933)

Art. 1. The German Reich guarantees freedom of profession and public practice of the Catholic religion.
It acknowledges the right of the Catholic Church, within the limit of those laws which are applicable to all, to manage and regulate her own affairs independently, and, within the framework of her own competence, to publish laws and ordinances binding on her members.
. . . .

Art. 4. . . . Instructions, ordinances, Pastoral Letters, official diocesan gazettes, and other enactments regarding the spiritual direction of the faithful issued by the ecclesiastical authorities within the framework of their competence may be published without hindrance and brought to the notice of the faithful in the form hitherto usual.

Art. 5. . . . The State will take proceedings in accordance with the general provisions of state law against any outrage offered to the clergy personally or directed against their ecclesiastical character, or any interference with the duties of their office, and in case of need will provide official protection.

Art. 6. Clerics and religious are freed from any obligation to undertake official offices and such obligations as, according to the provisions of Canon Law, are incompatible with the clerical or religious state . . .


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Art. 14. . . . Catholic clerics who hold an ecclesiastical office in Germany or who exercise pastoral or educational functions must:


(a) Be German citizens
(b) Have matriculated from a German secondary school
(c) Have studied philosophy and theology for at least three years at
a German State University, a German ecclesiastical college, or a papal college in Rome
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Art. 15. Religious orders and congregations are not subject to any special restrictions on the part of the State, either as regards their foundation, the erection of their various establishments, their number . . ., pastoral activity, education, . . .or as regards the management of their affairs, and the administration of their property. . . .

Art. 16. Before bishops take possession of their dioceses they are to take an oath of fealty either to the Reich representative of the state concerned, or to the President of the Reich, according to the following formula:
"Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear and promise, as becomes a bishop, loyalty to the German Reich and to the State of . . . . I swear and promise to honor the legally constituted government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it. In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it." . . . .

Art. 21. Catholic religious instruction in elementary, senior, secondary and vocational schools constitutes a regular portion of the curriculum, and is to be taught in accordance with the principles of the Catholic Church. In religious instruction, special care will be taken to inculcate patriotic, civic and social consciousness and sense of duty in the spirit of the Christian Faith and the moral code, precisely as in the case of other subjects . .

Art. 23. The retention of Catholic denominational schools and the establishment of new ones, is guaranteed . . .

Art. 32. In view of the special situation existing in Germany, and in view of the guarantee provided through this Concordat of legislation directed to safeguard the rights and privileges of the Roman Catholic Church in the Reich and its component states, the Holy See will prescribe regulations for the exclusion of clergy and members of religious orders from membership of political parties, and from engaging in work on their behalf.


Signed . . . in the Vatican City, July 20th, 1933

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National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take the Christian Churches under the protection of the State.... The decisive factor which can justify the existence alike of Church and State is the maintenance of men's spiritual and bodily health, for it that health were destroyed it would mean the end of the State and also the end of the Church.... It is my sincere hope that thereby for Germany, too, through free agreement there has been produced a final clarification of spheres in the functions of the State and of one Church.
-Adolf Hitler, on a wireless on 22 July, the evening before the Evangelical Church Election

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The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism is hostile to religion is a lie.
-Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party (quoted from John Cornwell's "Hitler's Pope"


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We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933




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I believe that Providence would never have allowed us to see the victory of the Movement if it had the intention after all to destroy us at the end.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to old members of the Party at Munich on 8 Nov. 1933


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The German Church and the People are practically the same body. Therefore there could be no issue between Church and State. The Church, as such, has nothing to do with political affairs. On the other hand, the State has nothing to do with the faith or inner organization of the Church. The election of November 12th would be an expression of church constituency, but not as a Church.
-Adolf Hitler, answering C. F. Macfarland about Church & State (in his book, The New Church and the New Germany)


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While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have not only brought thousands of priests back into the Church, but to millions of respectable people we have restored their faith in their religion and in their priests. The union of the Evangelical Church in a single Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church, these are but milestones on the road which leads to the establishment of a useful relation and a useful co operation between the Reich and the two Confessions.
-Adolf Hitler, in his New Year Message on 1 Jan. 1934


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Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1934


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It would have been more to the point, more honest and more Christian, in past decades not to support those who intentionally destroyed healthy life than to rebel against those who have no other wish than to avoid disease. Moreover, a policy of laissez faire in this sphere is not only cruelty to the individual guiltless victims but also to the nation as a whole.... If the Churches were to declare themselves ready to take over the treatment and care of those suffering from hereditary diseases, we should be quite ready to refrain from sterilizing them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 30 Jan. 1934


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We have experienced a miracle, something unique, something the like of which there has hardly been in the history of the world. God first allowed our people to be victorious for four and a half years, then He abased us, laid upon us a period of shamelessness, but now after a struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to bring that period to a close. It is a miracle which has been wrought upon the German people.... It shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our people, that He received it into favour at the moment when it rediscovered itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must be our vow so long as we shall live and so long as the Lord gives us the strength to carry on the fight.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to the "Old Guard" of the Party at Munich on 19 March, 1934


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The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren ), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of to-day.
-Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda


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No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a clear division between politics which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine (Lehre ) of the Confessions or with their religious freedom (Bekenntnisfreiheit ), nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion will not be used as a cover for political ends....
National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not unblest by God.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar, 26 Aug. 1934


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So far as the Evangelical Confessions are concerned we are determined to put an end to existing divisions, which are concerned only with the forms of organization, and to create a single Evangelical Church for the whole Reich....
And we know that were the great German reformer with us to-day he would rejoice to be freed from the necessity of his own time and, like Ulrich von Hutten, his last prayer would be not for the Churches of the separate States: it would be of Germany that he would think and of the Evangelical Church of Germany.
-Adolf Hitler, in his Proclamation at the Parteitag at Nuremberg on 5 Sept. 1934



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What we are we have become not against, but with, the will of Providence. And so long as we are true and honourable and of good courage in fight, so long as we believe in our great work and do not capitulate, we shall continue to enjoy in the future the blessing of Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, at Rosenheim in Bavaria, 11 Aug. 1935


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Only so you can appeal to your God and pray Him to support and bless your courage, your work, your perseverance, your strength, your resolution, and with all these your claim on life.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Frankfurt on 16 March 1936


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In this world him who does not abandon himself the Almighty will not desert. Him who helps himself will the Almighty always also help; He will show him the way by which he can gain his rights, his freedom, and therefore his future.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Hamburg on 20 March 1936


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Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.
-Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


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I believe in Providence and I believe Providence to be just. Therefore I believe that Providence always rewards the strong, the industrious, and the upright.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to National Socialist women at the Nuremberg Parteitag of 1936 <11 Sept. 1936>


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So long as they concern themselves with their religious problems the State does not concern itself with them. But so soon as they attempt by any means whatsoever-- by letters, Encyclica, or otherwise-- to arrogate to themselves rights which belong to the State alone we shall force them back into their proper spiritual, pastoral activity.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin on the May Day festival, 1937


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We National Socialists, too, have deep in our hearts our own faith. We cannot do otherwise. No man can mould the history of peoples or of the world unless he has upon his will and his capacities the blessing of Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, to Nazi leaders on 2 June 1937, as reported by a correspondent of the "Daily Telegraph"


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I will never allow anyone to divide this people once more into religious camps, each fighting the other....
You, my Brown Guard, will regard it as a matter of course that this German people should go only by the way which Providence ordained for it when it gave to Germans the common language. So we go forward with the profoundest faith in God into the future. Would that which we have achieved have been possible if Providence had not helped us?
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Regensburg on 6 June 1937


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If we pursue this way, if we are decent, industrious, and honest, if we so loyally and truly fulfill our duty, then it is my conviction that in the future as in the past the Lord God will always help us. In the long run He never leaves decent folk in the lurch. Often He may test them, He may send trials upon them, but in the long run He always lets His sun shine upon them once more and at the end He gives them His blessing.
-Adolf Hitler, at the Harvest Thanksgiving Festival on the Buckeburg held on 3 Oct. 1937


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This Winter Help Work is also in the deepest sense a Christian work. When I see, as I so often do, poorly clad girls collecting with such infinite patience in order to care for those who are suffering from the cold while they themselves are shivering with cold, then I have the feeling that they are all apostles of a Christianity-- and in truth of a Christianity which can say with greater right than any other: This is the Christianity of an honest confession, for behind it stand not words but deeds.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking of the Winter Help Campaign on 5 Oct. 1937


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Remain strong in your faith, as you were in former years. In this faith, in its close-knit unity our people to-day goes straight forward on its way and no power on earth will avail to stop it.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Coburg on 15 Oct. 1937


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In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility, that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists, too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937


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National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship.... We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord.... Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.
-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept. 1938.




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The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument.
-Adolf Hitler, in his proclamation to the German People on 1 Jan. 1939


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Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration:
1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views (Einstellung), nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted.... The Churches are the greatest landed proprietors after the State... Further, the Church in the National Socialist State is in many ways favoured in regard to taxation, and for gifts, legacies, &c., it enjoys immunity from taxation.
It is therefore, to put mildly-- effrontery when especially foreign politicians make bold to speak of hostility to religion in the Third Reich.... I would allow myself only one question: what contributions during the same period have France, England, or the United States made through the State from the public funds?
3. The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever exercised any influence upon the form of a religious service. It has not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion.... There are ten thousands and ten thousands of priests of all the Christian Confessions who perform their ecclesiastical duties just as well as or probably better than the political agitators without ever coming into conflict with the laws of the State.... This State has only once intervened in the internal regulation of the Churches, that is when I myself in 1933 endeavoured to unite the weak and divided Protestant Churches of the different States into one great and powerful Evangelical Church of the Reich. That attempt failed through the opposition of the bishops of some States; it was therefore abandoned. For it is in the last resort not our task to defend or even to strengthen the Evangelical Church through violence against its own representatives.... But on one point it is well that there should be no uncertainty: the German priest as servant of God we shall protect, the priest as political enemy of the German State we shall destroy.
-Adolf Hitler, a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939




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If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished a prodigious work.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the "Old Guard" at Munich on 24 Feb. 1939


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Sources:

Baynes, Norman H. Ed. "The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939," Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942

Cornwell, John, "Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII," Viking, 1999

to make his case...

If there is/was a Christ, I'm sure he weeps for the blood spilled in his name and has to wander if his coming here was such a good idea.

I list them here to compare. It is odd that there are little or no academic citations or links to published historical data to support the "Christian" story of how Hitler was "anti christian". He certainly was anti anyone who realized that real christians don't condone genocide and decided to speak out a bit late... but as long as the organized sects and variety of calvinest and puritan authoritarians supported him, he was all for the church.

http://www.hisglory.us/articles/education_2003-01.htm

so I don't know if anyone could definitively say Christians can not support genocide

Talk is cheap.

Hitler was no Christian; he won over Catholics by signing a concordat with the Pope and Protestants by restoring order, if a perverted one, to a chaotic Germany. That is not the same as being a Christian.

One of The Greatest Commandments is to "Love one another". Hitler was filled with hatred and loved money and power. He was an anti-christ, IMChristianO.

Hitlers "faith" was partially feigned and totally out of the mainstream. Of course President Bush's faith is somewhat out of the mainstream, as well.

Bryant
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Hitler was a cultist, who believed in himself. He was no Christian, he used it at first, but he killed Christian leaders. He employed Christianity as a tool of control, while slowly replacing it. He sent the SS in France and Germany to destroy all symbols of Christianity. The author of this article failed to do proper research as his ties to the occult are quite infamous and appear in just about ever history channel special on him.

And the thousands of people who have murdered others because "God" told them to do it.

I disagree. Hitler didn't believe in Christianity, he was just using. Bush is using it, but he believes it. We need to be careful about drawing parallels between Bush and Hitler, they can get us into a lot of trouble.

There, I added the S I left out. Are we all happy now?

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You mean because the black helicopters will come drag us out of our hovels for daring to post actual printed, cited and vetted information rather than the tales you were told by your Sunday school teacher?

You made me spew coke here.

I am not worried about the Black Helicopters. I don’t think that saying 'Bush is like Hitler' will do anything other than feed our indignation. Such statements in the public eye will damage our credibility and fuel the fires of neo-conservative hatred towards us.

And oddly enough, it is also a projection. They hate us for our freedom of thought. For our freedom from fear. and For our freedom from their puritan authoritarian rigidity.


"Puritanism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy."

- H.L. Mencken

Just because they hate us doesn't mean we help them out by giving them reasons to hate us. Besides "They hate us for our freedom of thought.", give me a break. That is what Bush says about terrorists.

think of me. What is all this appeasement of neoconservatives crap anyway? That may be a part of why we lost this past election.

I don't lie down a get kicked without fighting back. Anyone who is advising a play nice policy at this point is not on our side.

Surely you've read Matthew 5 which contains the following:

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven

Does this describe the fraud in the White House? NO!

So... The grand canyon was made in six days and you can be stoned to death for eating clams.

And the only book of the new testament they read selectivley is the dream sequence called Revelations or Apocria (sp?)

piece of the bible.

It's antithetical to becoming powerful and wealthy.

Perhaps he is a cafeteria Christian, be picks and chooses what he believes in.

Whose to say that Hitler didn't do the same thing? I see a lot of parallels between Hitler and Bush.

It seems as if his crew feels like they are facilitating the book of Revelations. I don't think Bush, Jim Jones, Koresh, Hitler or Cotton Mather ever considered themselves as doing less than God's word. It's just the interpretation that folks lite this seem to latch upon that spells disaster.

Marx was right in that Religion is an opiate of the masses in that an opiate is addictive and junkies have been known to kill for their next fix. The "Christian" religion has seen so many permutations since its inception that a count is probably impossible. There have been many good , peaceful and giving Christian sects, but they are so often usurped by the more powerful or individuals that see the pulpit as a way of controlling a large block of people thereby enhancing their own power.

I seriously question that. His actions prove otherwise. You're right, "Bush is using it".

whip out those links to support your view.

and used plenty of Bible verses to support himself.

Just like bush* calls himself a Christian and cloaks himself in the Bible, but he's as unChristian as they come.

and sang the praises of socialism.

He was, of course, a fascist, not a socialist.

Great post! can't agree with EVERYTHING you say, but a lot of it.
I see quite the comparison.

Testing reality interconnects effective cause.

Violence is non-reality.

comprehend what you're trying to say here.

:toast:

Effective education that stimulates recognition of leaders who are vested in non-reality:


http://www.createmaintain.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14

"Test the spirits, whether they be of GOD, for even the devil can appear as an angel in white".

Alot of the basis for the inner circle of nazis were based on the occult and Theososphy,they knew people were searching and confused.By putting alot of thier kinky ideas into secracy and appealing to accepted religions it gave thier message an acceptable appeal to a very broke and desperate country..
Religon itself is fine stuff but alot of scam artists have always used it for thier message of hate and offering a simple answer to complex questions.One reason the modern holy rollers belittle Catholics is to get people away from it's unholy plans and replace those with thier own.Thanks for the link,I wasn't aware of thier missuse of the Catholic Church.All of this is so fasinating and complex,it is a shame that humans use religion for purposes so far away from what religion is about.

"Wisdom is proved right by her actions." Matt. 11:19. I guess I too am a "brain-damaged liberal", because I find myself comparing ** to Hitler, but perhaps for different reasons. I am an anamoly, you might say--a born-again Christian who until recently aligned myself with many of the fundamentals who are now perverting (IMHO) Christ's gospel by their unloving, meanspirited actions. As for **, I think he has jumped on board the "gospel train", seeing it as a good way to attain his and his minions' goals. I of course can't make judgments as to the state of his eternal soul, that's between him and God, but his actions certainly do make me wonder. The thing about hastening Armageddon is so counter to the scriptures, I don't know where to begin. As for the Rapture--well, I no longer believe in that, either, and I'm just flummoxed by my fellow Christians who seem to think we're on the verge of being "snatched up", thus avoiding the aforementioned Armageddon as well as the Great Tribulation. Maybe these folks should be reading the Bible instead of the LaHaye/Jenkins fictions. I'm pretty sure Hitler counted on the ignorance of the masses and their willingness to follow a false leader. I'm guessing ** is banking on that, as well. Maybe that's more evidence of my "brain-damaged liberal" state. Or maybe it's the merlot...

Tired Old Cynic

While the actions of today's louder "Christians" are a large part of what drove me from that religion, I still have a wonderful respect and reverence for those that hold true to what was taught rather than what was perverted.

Carry on.

You help give me the strength to carry on. I like to tell people, "Don't judge Christ by Christians", but that's getting to be a harder sell as time goes by. It's a struggle sometimes to hold on to the truth, but we can do it. Awfully glad DU is here!

That's how totalitarian dictators grasp for power; by pretending that what they are doing is entirely new, and has never been done before. Keeps the sheeple from being frightened. Until, of course, you WANT them to be frightened.

Another basis for comparison is the myth-building that goes on around the subject in question; Hitler swore to the working classes whose support he needed that he had been a down-trodden, lumpen worker, frequently hungry, disdained, and ignored by the Jewish capitalists. Actually, he was the heir of a parsimonious, sparing civil servant who left him a comfortable income when he died. Hitler had the leisure to hang around coffee houses soaking up radical politics.

Compare that to Bush, who attended all the best private schools (I won't disrespect you by claiming he was "educated" there), joined a fraternity, live high on the hog for all of his life, always had Daddy's money-men bail him out of his messes. But he wears cowboy boots, cuts brush on the "ranch" and drawls in an affected (and unconvincing) Texas accent, and suddenly he's the "man of the people" his deluded followers want him so desparately to be.

The fascist party platform used all the populist promises of any Dem party platform and leaned on the studious indifference of the church in Italy. After they gained power the labor unions became guilds trapping the workers in their own coporate hell. Fascist will promise anything if it is percieved popular and each iteration of fascism is different enough from the last to allow the people to say "see there are no box cars of Jews! this can't be fascism!"

and such? Il Duce's version of "cuttin' brush down awn th'ranch".

They say bravery is the greatest virtue of them all, for without courage, none of the other virtues can will even see the light of day.

In all institutions composed of people, bravery is trumped by power, for no one can act without its stick and carrot. A brave fool with no power, is as good as a virtuous person without courage. They shall be kept quiet, and be the very first to lead all to slaughter.

A masterpiece from the school of "find and replace" journalism...


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VOLUME I: A RETROSPECT

CHAPTER 10
WHY AMERICAN SOCIETY COLLAPSED
It must be admitted that all this was partly the result of extraordinary crafty tactics on the part of Liberals on the one hand, and obvious official stupidity or naïveté on the other hand. The Liberals were too clever to allow a simultaneous attack to be made on the whole of their Press. No one section functioned as cover for the other. While the alternative newspaper, in the most despicable manner possible, reviled everything that was sacred, furiously attacked the State and Government and incited certain classes of the community against each other, the national papers, also in Liberal hands, knew how to camouflage themselves as model examples of objectivity. They studiously avoided harsh language, knowing well that block-heads are capable of judging only by external appearances and never able to penetrate to the real depth and meaning of anything. They measure the worth of an object by its exterior and not by its content. This form of human frailty was carefully studied and understood by the Liberal Press.

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I believe that our present generation would easily master this danger if they were rightly led. For this generation has gone through certain experiences which must have strengthened the nerves of all those who did not become nervously broken by them. Certainly in days to come the Liberals will raise a tremendous cry throughout their newspapers once a hand is laid on their favorite nest, once a move is made to put an end to this scandalous Liberal Press and once this instrument which shapes public opinion is brought under Conservative control and no longer left in the hands of Liberals and enemies of the people. I am certain that this will be easier for us than it was for our fathers. The scream of the twelve-inch shrapnel is more penetrating than the hiss from a thousand Liberal newspaper vipers. Therefore let them go on with their hissing.

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By means of the Liberal Press, the Liberals spread the colossal falsehood about ‘American Militarism’ throughout the world and tried to inculpate America by every possible means, while at the same time the Democratic Party refused to assent to the measures that were necessary for the adequate training of our national defense forces. The appalling crime thus committed by these people ought to have been obvious to everybody who foresaw that in case of war the whole nation would have to be called to arms and that, because of the mean huckstering of these noble ‘representatives of the people’, as they called themselves, millions of Americans would have to face enemies ill-equipped and insufficiently trained.

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What soon gave me cause for very serious consideration were the activities of the Liberals in certain branches of life, into the mystery of which I penetrated little by little. Was there any shady undertaking, any form of foulness, especially in cultural life, in which at least one Liberal did not participate? On putting the probing knife carefully to that kind of abscess one immediately discovered, like a maggot in a putrescent body, a little Liberal who was often blinded by the sudden light.

In my eyes the charge against Liberalism became a grave one the moment I discovered the Liberal activities in the Press, in art, in literature and the theatre. All unctuous protests were now more or less futile. One needed only to look at the posters announcing the hideous productions of the cinema and theatre, and study the names of the authors who were highly lauded there in order to become permanently adamant on Liberal questions. Here was a pestilence, a moral pestilence, with which the public was being infected.

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I was happy at last to know for certain that a Liberal is not an American.


VOLUME II: THE NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT

CHAPTER 4
PERSONALITY AND THE IDEAL OF THE CONSERVATIVE STATE
The destructive workings of Liberalism in different parts of the national body can be ascribed fundamentally to the persistent Liberal efforts at undermining the importance of personality among the nations that are their hosts and, in place of personality, substituting the domination of the masses. The constructive principle of American humanity is thus displaced by the destructive principle of the Liberals, They become the ‘ferment of decomposition’ among nations, in a broad sense, the wreckers of human civilization.

CHAPTER 5
CONSERVATISM AND ORGANIZATION
True Conservative America, which I have tried to sketch in general outline, will not become a reality in virtue of the simple fact that we know the indispensable conditions of its existence. It does not suffice to know what aspect such a nation would present. The problem of its foundation is far more important. The parties which exist at present and which draw their profits from the nation as it now is cannot be expected to bring about a radical change in the regime or to change their attitude on their own initiative. This is rendered all the more impossible because the forces which now have the direction of affairs in their hands are Liberals here and Liberals there and Liberals everywhere. The trend of development which we are now experiencing would, if allowed to go on unhampered, lead to the realization of the Pan- Liberal prophecy that the Liberals will one day devour the other nations and become lords of the earth.

CHAPTER 6
THE FIRST PERIOD OF OUR STRUGGLE
This kind of propaganda influenced men in such a way as to give them a taste for reading the Liberal Press and prepare their minds for its teaching. That Press, in its turn, was a vehicle of the spoken word rather than of the written word. Whereas in the Liberal Elite camp professors and learned writers, theorists and authors of all kinds, made attempts at talking, in the Liberal Media camp real speakers often made attempts at writing. And it was precisely the Liberal who was most prominent here. In general and because of his shrewd dialectical skill and his knack of twisting the truth to suit his own purposes.

CHAPTER 15
THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE
The events which happened subsequent to 9/11 in America prove how the hope of securing the clemency of the terrorists by making a voluntary submission had the most disastrous influence on the political views and conduct of the broad masses. I say the broad masses explicitly, because I cannot persuade myself that the things which were done or left undone by the leaders of the people are to be attributed to a similar disastrous illusion. Seeing that the direction of our historical destiny after the war was now openly controlled by the Liberals, it is impossible to admit that a defective knowledge of the state of affairs was the sole cause of our misfortunes. On the contrary, the conclusion that must be drawn from the facts is that our people were intentionally driven to ruin. If we examine it from this point of view we shall find that the direction of the nation’s foreign policy was not so foolish as it appeared; for on scrutinizing the matter closely we see clearly that this conduct was a procedure which had been calmly calculated, shrewdly defined and logically carried out in the service of the Liberal idea and the Liberal endeavor to secure the mastery of the world.

I have a vast archive o stuff relaterd to this topic.... more to come.

Do the math. Which tries to justify his opinions by assigning them to God? Not Kerry.

Though we may need a dental probe to pry an original thought out of either of them...

In fact, he tried to keep it out of policy and kinda liked the idea of seperation of church and state.

I think most reasonable Christians are for the separation of church and state.

But JFK had practically no choice but to not talk about his Catholicism because it could have cost him the most important job in the world.

and the KKK wing of the republican party (the Dixicrats, later known as Reagan Repubs)

JFK on why he was proud to be called "liberal."

http://tinyurl.com/w7t4
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_nyliberal.html

Acceptance of the New York Liberal Party Nomination
September 14, 1960

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

But first, I would like to say what I understand the word "Liberal" to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a "Liberal," and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.

In short, having set forth my view -- I hope for all time -- two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:

I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.

Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world's history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.

Tonight we salute Governor and Senator Herbert Lehman as a symbol of that spirit, and as a reminder that the fight for full constitutional rights for all Americans is a fight that must be carried on in 1961.

Many of these same immigrant families produced the pioneers and builders of the American labor movement. They are the men who sweated in our shops, who struggled to create a union, and who were driven by longing for education for their children and for the children's development. They went to night schools; they built their own future, their union's future, and their country's future, brick by brick, block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, and now in their children's time, suburb by suburb.

Tonight we salute George Meany as a symbol of that struggle and as a reminder that the fight to eliminate poverty and human exploitation is a fight that goes on in our day. But in 1960 the cause of liberalism cannot content itself with carrying on the fight for human justice and economic liberalism here at home. For here and around the world the fear of war hangs over us every morning and every night. It lies, expressed or silent, in the minds of every American. We cannot banish it by repeating that we are economically first or that we are militarily first, for saying so doesn't make it so. More will be needed than goodwill missions or talking back to Soviet politicians or increasing the tempo of the arms race. More will be needed than good intentions, for we know where that paving leads.

In Winston Churchill's words, "We cannot escape our dangers by recoiling from them. We dare not pretend such dangers do not exist."

And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. Our opponents would like the people to believe that in a time of danger it would be hazardous to change the administration that has brought us to this time of danger. I think it would be hazardous not to change. I think it would be hazardous to continue four more years of stagnation and indifference here at home and abroad, of starving the underpinnings of our national power, including not only our defense but our image abroad as a friend.

This is an important election -- in many ways as important as any this century -- and I think that the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party here in New York, and those who believe in progress all over the United States, should be associated with us in this great effort. The reason that Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson had influence abroad, and the United States in their time had it, was because they moved this country here at home, because they stood for something here in the United States, for expanding the benefits of our society to our own people, and the people around the world looked to us as a symbol of hope.

I think it is our task to re-create the same atmosphere in our own time. Our national elections have often proved to be the turning point in the course of our country. I am proposing that 1960 be another turning point in the history of the great Republic.

Some pundits are saying it's 1928 all over again. I say it's 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.

Hitler may have played with the language, but he was deep into occultism, not unlike the current deceptive crew. I have a personal friend whose own father was raised in Germany in that time. The father was the teenage son of his own Lutheran clergyman father. And the Lutherans went underground, fighting the takeover of Christian theology and Christian practice at every turn, and at great danger to themselves. Not that there weren't those who cracked under pressure, or who made friends for their own benefit. But Hitler a Christian?? I suspect your own motive in proposing this.

The present administration is playing fast and loose with the Christian message as well. You should have seen the spitting match on "Hannity and Colmes" last night between the Rev. Jim Wallis (a REAL evangelical Christian) and "the Rev." Jerry Falwell (paid CIA asset, seen in pictures in the arms of Sun Myung Moon.) As Pastor Wallis declared: "You have had your time--you are not alone in this discussion anymore!"

Look rather to Bohemian Grove for where this Republican crew gets their rituals and power. And look at all the insignia--reminds you a lot of Hitler's cult, from the decorations on the napkins to the very gates.

These people worship Money and Power, and sacrifice (others) to get it. That is NOT Christian, but the opposite.

The argument is not that Christians are bad since hitler was one, the argument is that pharisees like Hitler, Falwell, LeHay and Reed use the faith of the genuine believers as a tool to gain power and divert the energy of their faith towards those who actually mean thm no harm and have and will fight to the death for their right to worship in anyway they see fit as long as it does not force anyone else to worship in a way theu do not wish to. They still all think they are "Christians" but fail to see it as a "personal" relationship as Jesus intimated in the Sermon on the Mount, and feel they should force the world to be "saved" contraveining free-will.

The subject line of this post is: "Hitler, Like a current world leader was a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN and a BELIEVER."

That is a non-sensical statement, NOT the same as a "Pharisee" at all. There is NOTHING in Hitler's life, or in the living of Bush's, that shows even an attempt at "devout" or "belief"--actually the OPPOSITE. What you see in today's White House is the cynical (and pretty darn successful) attempt to manipulate people of faith, and even worse, CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE VERY WORD CHRISTIAN.

That is NOT of God, of any kind of loving unversal energy whatsoever. It is from the OPPOSITE energy, as is any other intentional lie.

And the "spin" your sensational, undocumented piece gives on the Confessing Church does violence to the saints who died, including Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Hitler was an occultist, and it would not be a mistake to say the same of Bush, beneath his shallow veneer of Christianity.

Coincidentally I was thinking of Bonhoeffer and the Confessing Church tonight. To call Hitler a Christian - a devout Christian, even - is an outrageous insult to their sacrifice.

Why are some people happy to take Bush at his word only when he speaks about his "faith"?

And is just "playing with the language?" Wait, we already know he is "playing with the language."

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1880.cfm

This guy is a full scale nut in some respects but even crazy people can archive news clips it seems.

Read with a handfull of salt for the times he reaches bizarre conclusions but check the links for quotes and articles that seem to be unfindable via google.
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This site is massive and stuffed with page after page explaining why Bush = Hitler and quoting the fasciest wing of the Baptist church and tossing in a bit of radical catholisism for seasoning. The undercurrent of antisemitism and superstition/schitzophrenia just make it more fun to read... OH, There is some anti Kerry stuff troweled on at the end for seasoning ...
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example excerpt: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1770d.cfm

Too many Christians today still believe President George Bush is a Born Again Christian, based upon his tepid statement of faith and many assertions of God , Lord and Faith since then. In this fourth part of this series, we shall study the most shocking historic truth of all: Adolf Hitler professed faith in Jesus Christ and claimed to be a Christian! He affirmed the Christian faith, never shut down a Christian church, and claimed that his actions during World War II were fully consistent with Biblical teaching and commandment.

Most Christians today will recoil at this suggestion, based upon our post-World War II mindset. We know Hitler's fruits were terribly bad. We know he slaughtered 6 million Jews and 12 million other "devalued" peoples. We know he deliberately launched one of the most bloody, terrible wars mankind has ever faced. We now know he was a Satan worshipper, probably without equal in the modern world. We know he regularly prayed the Spirit of Antichrist into himself during rituals and seances held by The Thule Society, the same Brotherhood of Death Society as Skull & Bones -- of George Bush fame. We know Hitler fulfilled the plans of the Illuminati perfectly while in power, and set up the same kind of society that the real Antichrist will eventually set up.

From our perspective of post-World War II, we know that Hitler could never have been a genuine Born Again Christian.

Yet, from 1933-1939, German Christians looked at Adolf Hitler with completely different eyes. He claimed to be Christian. He regularly invoked the name of "God" and "Lord", he regularly called upon "faith in the Almighty", and he regularly stated the importance of the Christian faith as a foundation for the entire nation! Hitler fooled so many sincere German Christians at least up until World War II began in 1939; however, during that terrible and bloody war, he retained the the support of too many Christians.

A quick quote will serve to place matters in focus before we begin our study. A good German Christian woman of some means wrote a letter to a friend just weeks before Hitler committed suicide in 1945. This lady expressed outrage and emotional distress, for she had finally come to believe the rumors, that the "SS" had been systematically murdering Jews all during the war. This lady said, "This is totally outrageous and must stop. Why, someone should tell Adolf"!

"Someone should tell Adolf"!

HITLER'S CLAIMS TO BE A CHRISTIAN




Hitler Praying
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior... I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Speech, 12 April 1921 <"Adolph Hitler: A perverted Christian?", Terry Mattingly On Religion> Hitler confesses Jesus as "Lord and Savior".

"Hitler is reported to have spoken, glowingly, about raising the 'treasures of the living Christ,' the persecution of the 'true Christians and sanctimonious churches that have placed themselves between God and man and to turn away from the anti-Christian , smug individualism of the past,' and 'to educate the youth in particular in the spirit of those of Christ's words that we must interpret anew: love one another; be considerate of your fellow man; remember that each of you is not alone a creature of God, but that you are all brothers!"

I challenge anyone to show me any testimony from George W. Bush that is as strong as this testimony from Hitler.

"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might ..." <"Catholicism & Fascism: A Brief Retrospective", by Robert E. Nordlander, April, 1990>

"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

"As a Christian ..."

"For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."

"The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element." <"Memoirs" Albert Speer, p. 95> Later on this same page, Albert Speer noted that Hitler strongly believed that the Christian church was indispensable in political life.

"We don't want to educate anyone in atheism. <"Hitler's Table-Talk", p. 6>

"God is with us" - .

"We do not forget the influence of the churches"

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator" Like President Bush, Hitler invoked the "Almighty" consistently in his speech; also like Bush, Hitler was NOT speaking of the Biblical Almighty, Omnipotent God, Creator of the Universe. Rather, Hitler and Bush both are thinking of the "Almighty Force" -- god of forces

Hitler Flashes Martin Luther New Testament!

"The established Methodist church paper, the Friedensglocke, vouched for the authenticity of a story about Hitler where he invited a group of deaconesses from the Bethel Institutions into his home at Obersalzberg .. The deaconesses entered the chamber and were astonished to see the pictures of Frederick the Great, Luther, and Bismarck on the wall ... One sister could not refrain from saying: 'Herr Reichkanzler, 'from where do you get the courage to undertake the great changes in the whole Reich?' Thereupon Hitler took out of his pocket the New Testament of Dr. Martin Luther, which one could see had been used very much, and said earnestly: "From God's word."

George W. Bush loves to quote from the Old Testament in order to deceive people into thinking he is a Born Again Christian; likewise, Hitler obtained this old copy of Martin Luther's New Testament to use for the same purpose. These deaconesses assume Hitler read this well-worn New Testament, as did countless other Christians of that era. But, notice that Hitler does not make that claim; he merely remains silent, knowing the conclusion people will reach.


"Hitler Leaving Church After Service"
"The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever exercised any influence upon the form of a religious service. It has not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion...."

With this quote from Hitler ringing in my ears, I can scarcely contain my anger over President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft closing down the Indianapolis Baptist Church (NEWS1472] on February 13, 2001, as they sent in teams of soldiers armed with military rifles. Not only did Bush/Ashcroft cross that red line separating church and state that none of our Founding Fathers would have crossed, but he crossed a line that not even Adolf Hitler crossed! Now you can truly understand how despicable Bush's action truly was.

Note that Hitler made this boast on January 30, 1939, almost exactly eight months before he launched World War III; using the war as an excuse, Hitler then did raid churches, he did shut them down, and he began to throw ministers and key leaders into a prison, out of which many never returned.

"I am absolutely convinced of the great power and the deep significance of the Christian religion, and consequently will not permit any other founders of religion (Religionsstifter) ... I will protect the rights and freedom of the church and will not permit them to be touched. You need have no apprehensions concerning the freedom of the church.

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. From our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people."

Hitler thus seems to hold a higher standard for German schools than we do today for American public schools. In 2 1/2 years of his presidency, Bush has not accomplished one change in the secular, humanist, increasingly gay, and occult agenda that permeates public school curricula! Germany in Hitler's day was "overwhelmingly Protestant", especially Prussian Protestant. Thus, Hitler realized he had to appear non-threatening to Prussian Protestants.

In fact, Germany was so taken by Prussianism that Hitler adopted the military uniform of a Prussian general! To us, Hitler looks foolish in his Prussian uniform and his little mustache, but he looked very Prussian, very normal, to the Germans of the era.

" 'Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain'.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans."

Note Adolf's reference to Psalm 127:1 in this paragraph and his use of phrases that sound wonderfully Biblical: "Almighty";"Him Who is the last resort"; "holds in His hands the final decision";"Lord God"; and "God". Hitler used these terms far more often than President George W. Bush ever has!

"... the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." Hitler sounds like a "preacher boy" here!

"...that is why the prophet seldom has any honor in his own country."

"Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth... Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea."

History records that many Evangelical, and even Baptist, preachers, teachers, and leaders were seduced by Hitler's "morality" in the early days, as we explain more fully below. Today, we know the full truth of Hitler, and are firmly guided by an examination of his terribly evil fruit, but in the early period, from 1921-1939, Hitler seemed to be a breath of fresh air, as he fought against the loose morality exploding across Germany. Many an evangelical and Baptist leader of this era took public note of Hitler's leadership in this area, and based their acceptance of him on this morality alone.

Did Hitler's adherence to a christian-type morality make him a Born Again Christian? Did his repeated use of "God", "Lord", "Almighty", and "Jesus" make him truly and genuinely Born Again? Of course, not, you say, and, you are right! But, today's Evangelical and some Baptist preachers and leaders defend President Bush on much the same grounds! History will record of George Bush much the same way it recorded Adolf Hitler.

They are two Illuminists, trained in Satanism in the same type of Brotherhood of Death Society -- Bush of Skull & Bones and Hitler of The Thule Society.



EVANGELICAL/BAPTIST CHRISTIAN LEADERS AFFIRM HITLER'S CHRISTIANITY


Nazis worshipping in Christian Church
"If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation would not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God has bestowed on our people."

"Other pastors openly welcomed the Nazi's, believing that the reintroduction of government by Christian authorities, affirmed St. Paul that 'the power that be are ordained by God'." (Romans 13:1) <"Christianity in Europe during WWII", by Jim Walker, 1 June, 2000>

Today, many pastors are enunciating this Biblical quote in an attempt to justify supporting Bush's Illuminist war against Iraq -- Remember, World War III has been planned since 1870 to produce Antichrist. Perhaps the Scripture we need to focus on is: "We ought to obey God rather than men."


"... a number of U.S. Baptists wrote sympathetically of Hitler's Germany. I came to this conclusion while writing an article on the Baptist World Alliance congress in Berlin in 1934. An immense Nazi flag, hung where the congress met, was a vivid reminder of the bloody purge executed only a few weeks before by anti-Semitic fascists. <"U.S. Baptists said surprisingly nice things about Hitler", Baptist Standard, by Professor Lloyd Allen - Church History at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky -- May 27, 2002>

"John Sampey, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, cautioned against hasty judgment of a leader (Hitler) who had stopped German women from smoking cigarettes and wearing red lipstick in public. The Watchman-Examiner carried a letter by Boston pastor John Bradbury. Of the congress, he wrote, "It was a great relief to be in a country where salacious sex literature cannot be sold; where putrid motion pictures and gangster films cannot be shown."

In light of post-World War II revelations about the Satanic monstrosity of Adolf Hitler, one can only sit back in amazement as they contemplate how easily fooled these Baptist leaders and pastors were about Adolf Hitler; they casually excused all of Hitler's early writings, such as Mein Kampf and his fiery anti-Semitic speeches from 1921-1934, in which he boldly stated he was going to "line the Jews up against the wall" for execution! And, why did they so excuse these bold evidences of the true nature of Hitler? Because he did not allow pornographic and gangster films, nor women smoking cigarettes and wearing red lipstick in public?!

Why, this easy justification of Adolf Hitler by these high-ranking Baptists in 1934 pales in comparison only by today's Evangelical and Baptist leaders justifying President George W. Bush despite his bold gay agenda, his public attack in shutting down a Baptist church, his obvious attempt to gather dictatorial powers to himself using terrorism as the excuse, and a dozen other clear indicators that he is producing only rotten spiritual fruit.

Professor Allen lists some other specific reasons these Baptist leaders gave Hitler such a pass on the clear evidences of spiritual disaster:

"This focus on personal piety resulted partially from a frontier religious ethic. On the American frontier, where Baptist strength arose in the Second Great Awakening, the most crucial ethical decisions were personal--alcoholism, spousal abuse and violence. Few complex social structures existed on the frontier to attract a sustained moral critique. Baptists equated eliminating the sins of the flesh with Christian living."

"Mass evangelism was a second factor in Baptist blindness to the Nazi evil. Some Baptists believed that evangelism and the world order were two circles that never intersected ... "Evangelical Christianity transcends all political and social systems," according to an Alabama Baptist article that appeared that same year. As long as governments, even fascist governments, did not interfere with soul-saving, they could be tolerated."

What would Jesus say in response to this nonsensical line of argument? "Ye blind guides, filtering out a gnat, and gulping down a camel." Matt 23:24; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary]

Christian leaders today who are applauding President Bush are guilty of the same disastrous thinking: they are "gulping down a camel" even as they are refusing to acknowledge the major disastrous spiritual fruit emanating from the president. History does, indeed, repeat itself when people do not follow the Holy Spirit carefully, the news carefully, and draw the proper conclusions.

But, the news as to why Baptist leaders applauded Hitler gets even more disastrous. Listen to Professor Allen explain in another article, "How Baptists Assessed Hitler, written in September, 1982:

"Surely a leader who does not smoke or drink, who wants women to be modest, and who is against pornography cannot be all bad, or so the reasoning went. As M. E. Aubrey of England observed in the Baptist Times, Hitler had “brought almost a new Puritanism, which makes its appeal to our Baptist friends, and for the sake of which they can overlook much that cuts across their natural desires.” Baptists from the United States ignored the fact that interpreters were barred from even rendering the word “democracy” in Aubrey’s speech. Priority was placed on personal habits, to the detriment of larger, more vital issues." {Ibid.]

Equating Adolf Hitler with the word, "Puritanism" is spiritual blindness of a staggering proportion! M.E. Aubrey even admitted there was much about Hitler that was of great concern to Christians, but he smoothed that problem over by stating that Hitler's "new Puritanism" is so strong that Christians can "overlook much" about him that gives them great concern! In other words, Christians who had personally compared Hitler's spiritual fruits against Bible doctrine, and had concluded he was evil, could "overlook" their conclusions because of Hitler's supposed "new Puritanism"! Today, we see exactly this kind of twisted logic at work!

Professor Allen then records for posterity that the numbers of Baptists who felt positive about Hitler was more than a few radical fringe types:

"“Quite a number of correspondents of our Southern Baptist papers writing about the BWA seemed to have a kindly feeling and a good word for Hitler and his regime,” Wrote R. H. Pitt in Religious Herald."

"Victor I. Masters of the Western Recorder went even further, writing, “Most of the testimony we have from our brethren who went to the <1934> Baptist World Alliance in Berlin has seemed with great spontaneity and readiness to accept the opinion that all is well in Germany."

Did you catch that phrase, uttered even as Hitler was beginning to secretly murder Jews: "all is well in Germany".

Narrowly Focussing On One Single Issue

Professor Allen then drops a bombshell in identifying the major issue blinding Baptists to Hitler: he had them focussing on one major issue. Listen:

"A final reason for Baptist vulnerability to Hitler’s 1934 policies was a single-issue criterion for appraising foreign governments: anticommunism. In 1934, if a government was anti-Communist, it deserved recognition and support. Dr. Leek wrote:

'Our observation is, that while Hitlerism is doubtless not the ultimate end, for Germany directly or Europe indirectly, it is for Germany a safe step in the right direction. Nazism has at least been a bar to the universal boast of Bolshevism' ."

Another Baptist leader, Dr. Daddy, stated: "Hitler was not perfect, but at least he was anti-Communist."

Therefore, because Hitler strongly opposed Communism, as did international Baptists, it was all right to ignore all the spiritually rotten fruit coming from Hitler and his National Socialist regime! We see this happening today in Ecumenical circles, don't we? Today, Liberal Christianity is allowing itself to be drawn in to the One World Religion of the future False Prophet, through the lie that religions need to focus upon what they can agree, ignoring that about which they do not agree! This is the essence of the Ecumenical Movement today, the ultimate goal of which is to form the religion that will serve the two Beasts of Revelation 13!

Right now, in America, President Bush is utilizing exactly the same "Narrow Focus" technique that is blinding Christians from seeing his rotten spiritual fruit! What is this Narrow Focus? It is Terrorism! Bush has so galvanized us of the absolute necessity of fighting global terrorism and ending the states that support it, that he has blinded too many Christians to his true spiritual nature.

History is repeating itself!

Not All The Baptists Were Fooled

"Fortunately, most Baptists in 1934 took a different route, supporting soul liberty, the kinship of all persons and the separation of church and state. Still, all Christians today need to remember which paths in 1934 led some to embarrassing dead ends."
Thank God "most Baptists in 1934" recognized the true spiritual matters that demanded their attention, and so did not fall into the trap of supporting Adolf Hitler; still, the Baptist leaders who did support Hitler lead many, many Christians astray at a most crucial time in world history. Christians are positionally in the same spot today as in Berlin, 1934. Too many respected Evangelical leaders are urging their people to support President Bush, even though loads of evidence exists that demonstrates his true spiritual nature, and even more evidence that should convince all people that this attack on Iraq is based upon nearly nothing! Why do you think tens of millions of people marched in global Antiwar protests on Saturday, February 15? They had read the news reports warning that our "evidence" against Iraq was tenuous at best, manufactured at worst.

Yet, because Christians are patriotic, because they do not want to believe that our presidency could be seized by Illuminists bent on staging Antichrist, and because they are focussed on the narrow specific issue of global terrorism, they are willing to give President Bush their support.

Roman Catholic Support of Hitler

"The Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich who visited Hitler at his mountain retreat in Obersalzburg confessed: 'Without a doubt the chancellor lives in faith in God. He recognizes Christianity as the foundation of Western culture' ."

"I do not remember even a single occasion when Hitler gave any instructions that ran counter to the true Christian spirit and to humaness.

"Catholic and Protestant leaders were convinced of Hitler's belief. As an example, the Catholic Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich visited Hitler at his mountain retreat at Obersalzburg in November 1936. Faulhaber observed: 'Without doubt the chancellor lives in faith in God. He recognizes Christianity as the foundation of Western culture.' "

"Pope Pius XII in 1939 instructed Cardinal Bertram to send a birthday message to Hitler: 'warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany' which was added, 'fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.' These greetings became a tradition and were sent every April 20th." <"Hitler compared to God/Jesus/Christians", by Jim Walker>

Adolf Hitler was raised Catholic and instructed in a Catholic school run by Jesuits. To his dying day, Hitler considered himself a good Catholic! Listen:

"Adolf Hitler virtually commenced his crusade as a champion of Christianity. While there are those who question the sincerity of his Christian (Roman Catholic) religious convictions, the Roman Catholic Church never saw fit to excommunicate him while giving him enthusiastic support in Germany and in the Vatican, especially after the attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941 ... That the Roman Catholic Church had no hesitancy to back fascism in the name of the crusade against "godless atheistic communism" needs no documentation here ..." {"Catholicism and Fascism", by Robert F. Nordlander, Free Thought Magazine, April, 1990; Emphasis added]

Let us continue examining this Catholic side to Hitler.

"After the death of Pius XI, the electoral procedure to elect another pope had begun. The March 1939 election favored Pacelli and four days later, Pacelli made it clear that he would handle all German affairs personally. He proposed the following affirmation of Hitler:

'To the Illustrious Herr Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer and Chancellor of the German Reich! Here at the beginning of Our Pontificate We wish to assure you that We remain devoted to the spiritual welfare of the German people entrusted to your leadership.... During the many years we spent in Germany, We did all in Our power to establish harmonious relations between Church and State. Now that the responsibilities of Our pastoral function have increased Our opportunities, how much more ardently do We pray to reach that goal. May the prosperity of the German people and their progress in every domain come, with God's help, to fruition!'

"Pacelli became a crowned Pope on March 12, 1939 (Pius XII). The following month on April 20, 1939, at Pacelli's express wish, Archbishop Orsenigo, the nuncio in Berlin, opened a gala reception for Hitler's fiftieth birthday. The birthday greetings thus initiated by Pacelli immediately became a tradition; each April 20 during the few years left to Hitler and his Reich, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin would send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany," to which he added 'fervent prayers which the Catholics in Germany are sending to heaven on their altars'."



Adolf Hitler died a Catholic in good standing within the Catholic Church, was never excommunicated, and was supported by the Vatican even after the war! Rome established and operated an escape route through Italy for former Nazi officials that has become known as the "Vatican Rat Lines" <"Unholy Trinity", by Mark Aarons and John Loftus>

The fact of history is that Adolf Hitler could not have carried out neither his war nor his Holocaust without the active support of Rome. There were individual priests and nuns who did resist Hitler during the war, at great expense and peril to themselves; nevertheless, the official policy of Rome supported Hitler.

The Confessing Church

"... the thought of a state controlled national church could mean loss of control by the pastors of the Church. Naturally many pastors became concerned; some protested quietly to themselves and others, openly, by forming the Confessing Church. Nevertheless, most pastors allied themselves with the Nazi party and their anti-Semitic views got published in the Protestant press even before Hitler's election into power ... Hitler wanted to combine all the regional Protestant churches into a single and united Reich Church. Of course this meant government control of the Church and a minority of Lutheran Pastors foresaw the dangers. In 1933, a few Protestant Pastors, namely Martin Niemöller, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Karl Barth and others formed the "Pastors Emergency League" which later became known as "The Confessing Church" to oppose the state controlled Nazi Church.

"It bears some importance to understand that Germany did not recognize the Confessing Church as an official Church. Not only the Nazis, but all other Protestant Churches condemned the Confessing Church. They thought of it as a minority opposition that held little power. The vast majority of German churches supported Hitler and his policies against the Jews." <"Christianity In Europe During World War II, by John Walker June 2002>.

Once again, there were numerous individuals who risked their lives and the lives of loved ones, to resist Hitler and to save the lives of many Jews; however, the "vast majority of German churches supported Hitler and his policies against the Jews". Too many Evangelical and Baptist leaders supported Hitler, especially during the early years, 1921-1939, when their determined opposition might have made a difference.

CONCLUSION

"If you are trying to understand Hitler, the last thing you can believe are his words."

This quote brings us squarely back to "Words", does it not? Just as too many Evangelical and Baptists supported Hitler on the basis of some of his words alone, ignoring other words and deeds that would have revealed his true nature, so do many Christians today support President Bush on the same basis. In Parts 1 through 3 of this series, we have shown you the true side and nature of President Bush.

As Bush leads the world into the New World Order, remember that this system he is attempting to establish with United Nations cooperation is the "Kingdom of Antichrist". Further, we demonstrate in Seminar 2, "America Determines The True Path of History", the Bush New World Order is essentially identical to Hitler's. As you contemplate how you will react to this coming war, remember it is being fought to establish Antichrist.

Two Illuminists at key moments in world history played the role of "Christian" to their people, deceiving too many, including Christians who should have spotted him in a "New York Minute"!

Adolf Hitler -- Illuminist trained in the Brotherhood of Death Society in Germany, known as The Thule Society.

George W. Bush -- Illuminist trained in the Brotherhood of Death Society in America, known as Skull & Bones


Both men held center stage at a time when Antichrist was to attempt a successful entrance on the world stage. Both men claimed Jesus as Lord and Savior. Hitler's effort to stage Antichrist was unsuccessful because God's timing was not right; if Bush is to be successful, it will be because God's timing is right this time.

But, both men deceived many.

Truly, Jesus was right when he prophesied unparalleled political and spiritual deception at the End of the Age

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets ... insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt 24:24

"God Fearing People" make as many efforts possible to not kill by waging war.

Only Souless people use God for such things.

The Repubs are using it as you well know if you ever venture to freeperville, and while it may be true, it is a metaphysical question we may not be able to know the truth of. However it IS believable...

And no... I don't know, because I do not venture there.

The rest can be found at NoBeliefs.com

He made treaties and broke them. Gee, maybe he wasn't truthful.

From "Storm Troopers of Satan: An Occult History of the Second World War" by Michael Fitzgerald:

Hitler himself was a member of the Thule group and soon became a close friend of Dietrich Eckart. It was the crazed Eckart who initiated Hitler into appalling rituals involving rape, sadism and even human sacrifice.... Just before his own death, Eckart said, "Follow Hitler. He will dance but it is I who called the tune. We have given him the means of communication with Them. Do no mourn for me; I shall have influenced history more than any other German." By "them," Eckart meant the "Secret Chiefs," the magical masters from the spirit world.

Eckart conveyed to Hitler the secrets of black magic on several levels. He not only taught him how to contact the Secret Chiefs, but also how to be attuned to psychic revelations. Hitler learned from Eckart the means of psychically harnessing the physical world, the control and focusing of willpwer, and one of the key magical techniques, visualization.

Like Hitler, Eckart was obsessed with the Spear of Destiny and the grail legends. Eckart went to Sicily and discovered the now ruined temple of Erix, where, in the old days, the priestesses of Venus had held their rites to the goddess of love. Hitler believed himself to be a reincarnation of Landulf of Capua, whom he identified as the historical original of the black magician Klingsor in the grail legends. Eckart discovered that Landulf fled to this old sanctuary when his betrayal of Christianity had been discovered. There, he conducted horrible black magic rituals, involving human sacrifice. As we have seen already, Eckart repeated this series of Satanic rituals with Hitler just before his own death, to initiate the future dictator into his final pact with the powers of darkness.

lance that pierced Christ and the Holy Grail...

Hey, we've got religions over here in the mainstream that are trying to tell our schools that the world is only 6000 years old. To me, that is no more bizarre than "contacting secret chiefs." Hell, Nancy Reagan had her astrologer.

http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-175562Hitler_was_a_Christian.html

The picture is not so clear, though. In public, while trying to appeal to German Christians, Hitler said that he was acting in the Christian tradition. In private, Hitler, Borman, and others spoke harshly of Christianity, denouncing it as being, like Bolshevism, a product of Judaism.

I guess it comes down to whether we trust Hitler's public statements or his private ones more.

that postulation.

Hitler was a Catholic until the day he died. He was embraced by the church for some time and much energy has been spent by several to disassociate Hitler with Christianity.

Nancy Reagan who believed in astrology also calls herself a Christian. That does not make her an "occultist."

Hitler was very involved with the Thule Society which was anything but "Christian".

As to the occult, yes there are aspects of the occult, such as astrology and even to mediumship where the people that are involved indeed can be deemed Christian. The Thule Society was no such thing.

Another odd Christian sect.

While Rudolf Hess and others were "card carrying" members, Hitler per records was an associate or visiting member.

His public face was as a Christian though. I think even Hitler would have had a hard time selling his populace on the hollow world and societies under Antarctica.

...is that which takes elements of the faith (like the Eucharistic host) and violates their use for their own power or wicked agenda. Nor is the DaVinci Code a "Christian" book.


"Love is of God. And s/he who loves is born of God, and knows God. He who does NOT love does NOT know God. For God IS LOVE." I John 4,7-8

occult and a cult are not the same thing so they aren't going to have the same definition:

Cult: Religious system especially ritualistic. Devotion to a person or thing.

see any religion fits in to that defintion

Occult: Involving the supernatural

again any religion fits that

That's a long way from "devout Christian."

You have made the point here, and most succinctly, that many in discussing this try to avoid. The public pronouncements of a public figure need not be true; they need only be convincing, and will always be expedient. The private beliefs will always be concealed where doing so seems wisest in pursuing power. On the subject of religion, Hitler said publicly what seemed best suited to gaining widespread support among Germans. His private view of Christianity, it is pretty clear from surviving accounts of associates and witnesses, aprticularly those published before World War Two, make it pretty clear his view of "Christianity" was an amalgam of Wagnerian Aryanisms and debased Nietschian ideas of its usefulness to rulers, and the need for an eleite to free itself of the slave mentality it inculcated. There is no doubt whatever that Hitler himself adhered to a Pan German view of cosmic history, in which history consisted of a struggle between the Aryan, embodying all that was noble and good and creative, and the Semite, embodying all that base and evil and immitative. This was a very common idea "in the air: of German society in the period before World War One, and particularly virulent among the detatched Germans of Austria. Traditional Christian Anti-Semitism certainly led or predisposed many people towards such a view, but it is a seperate body of ideas.

In 1937, four years into Hitler's reign, the Pope released a harsh criticism of the Nazi regime (Mit brennender Sorge). The German churches had been subjugated by Hitler into cooperation - that does not make him a Christian.

Do you also say Osama bin Laden isn't a muslim? Ever use the term "muslim terrorists?"

Please don't wait for the crickets to stop chirping before you answer.

...and I, for one, have believed in at least LIHOP from the beginning. How 'bout you?

People of the Book have lived with each other especially in the Middle East for hundreds of years (note the 800,000 Christians in Iraq, until recently.) Since the establishment of the CIA in 1948, and all the documented messing around with religious bodies, as well as journalistic and academic institutions, I do not trust a darn thing the MSM or Bush admin says about anything, especially other people's religion. Remember his compassionate appeals in the wake of 9-11 for the American people to NOT take out our anger on the Muslims among us. Then we found out about Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.

Some of you are really hot to change the story, about Hitler, Bush and Christ. And I am wondering WHY.

isn't a practicing occultist, as Hitler was.

reposnse is so irrelevant - what IS a REAL Christian, maybe if Jesus did exist he'll come down again and tell EVERBODY that they're not "real christians" it's so arrogant to presume that one is a "real" christian/bhuddhist/jew whatever but that other people aren't.

Personally I think Hitler was culturally Christian and if he beleived in God it was of the "Jesus was his son" variety but that doesn't impune christianity or christians.

Hitler was Christian so is Desmond Tutu

Rabbi Arik Ascherman is Jewish so was Baruch Goldstein.

Osama bin Laden is a Muslim so is Sheikh Fehmi

which ones of these are following the "true" faith or which is even the closest- it's not something we'll ever know so it just doesn't matter. Religion does not make good people bad or bad people good, people will be those things regardless.

And the only difference between a cult and a religion is it's size

...whereas Christians define themselves on the basis of the New Testament, which I quoted to you above. The Apostle St. John (a founder of the faith) was outlining specifically how "to test the spirits in the world" to see if they are Believers (not called "Christians" until later.)

You can't be serious: "Hitler was Christian so is Desmond Tutu?!!" Archbishop Tutu set up the Reconciliation Commission to heal his country after the ripping apart caused by apartheid. Hitler killed millions, in the camps and in the wars. It was Christ Himself who said "By their fruits you shall KNOW THEM."


BTW: More on Bush and Osama, (from another post) here is Iranian President Khatami's version touching on the "religious faith" of the two:

KERMANSHAH, Kermanshah Province, Feb. 13 (MNA) -- President Mohammad Khatami said here on Sunday that U.S. President George W. Bush and Al-Qaeda terrorist network leader Osama bin Laden use very similar language.

“The words and deeds of Bush and Bin Laden are alike, producing the sound of violence and waging war against the world. In fact, the words used by Bush and Bin Laden are almost exactly the same,"

Now--two leaders who are "waging war against the world"...do they sound in the least bit "devout" to you?

what with half my family being jewish and all.

I wasn't comparing Hitler to Tutu - I thought what I was pointing out was pretty obvious - that ANYONE can identify with any religion, that practitioners of religions do not necdesarily agree on various issues.
Also that while plenty of decent folks claim certain beliefs plenty of nutbags and violent reactionaries claim the SAME beliefs - who are YOU to say they're wrong, unless of course you have a direct line to God...but then again that's what Georgie boy says too.

Christ may well have said ""By their fruits you shall KNOW THEM." but frankly which fruits were the right ones?? his old man (aka God) was really big on killing all sorts of people and waging wars all over the place so who says Christians can't do the same??

I don't know what constitutes "devout" and neither does anyone else - it is impossible to follow "Christianity" as laid out in the Bible because it contradicts itself

What did Hitler actually do that indicates that he was a Christian?

The fruit of The Holy Spirit is Love, Peace, Joy, Goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, Faithfulness, patience, and Self-Control."
Hitler had none of those. Beware "there will be false christs and false prophets, performing signs and wonders to deceive the very elect, if possible".
Plus anti-christs "have the solution for peace", and "the devil can appear as an angel of light".

The Nazis hated Christianity, and planned to eventually do away with it. He may have called himself a Christian, but he also called himself a socialist.

Here are some points from the program for the "National Reich Church," which was drawn up during the war:

1. The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be the national churches of the German Reich.

5. The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably....the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.

7. The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains, or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany...

14. The National Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fuehrer's Mein Kampf is the greatest of all documents. It....not only contains the greatest but it embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation.

18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints.

19. On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

30. On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels...and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.

I don't disbeleive it but it would seem to be contradictory to the The Reich Concordat and several Nazi pronouncements.

In his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933, he had declared that Christianity was 'the unshakable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people' and promised that the rights of the Churches would remain unaffected.

I am also unable to find this info anywhere (admittedly just had a quick look) except on the sites of neo-nazis (Stormfront etc) and on rabidly religious sites determined to disprove any links between Nazi's and Christians.

A few sources I've seen dated this in 1945 which seemed a little odd

Like I said don't dispute this was just wondering if there's any reputable info on this anywhere so that I could read up - I'd never heard of it before.

Again though just because Hitler didn't like ANY church doesn't make him NOT a Christian

The rise and establishment of the Reich was an object of especial study to me for some years, let go of because it damages the soul to delve deeply into the thing....

Please see post 16. It's not a direct answer to your question but the data is pertinent http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3102100#3105079

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