Queer like W?

Think about the following facts...



Queer like W?

by Eric Naing

According to the Canadian newspaper Globe and Mail, at a summit in January President Bush approached Scott Reid, a senior adviser to the Canadian prime minister. After shaking hands with Mr. Reid, Bush remarked, "Well, you've got a pretty face." Just to make sure Reid got the point, Bush repeated, "You got a pretty face. You're a good-looking guy. Better looking than my Scott anyway." The Scott he was referring to was Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, who no doubt was seething with jealousy after learning of this.

Since then, President Bush has tried to amend the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage and has won re-election partially based on the premise that his opposition to homosexuality makes him more moral. Bush also has spent most of his presidency creating a cowboy image for himself (clearing brush at his Texas ranch, driving a pickup truck, etc). But is it possible that all Bush's macho posing and moralizing about the evils of homosexuality stem from the fact that he is insecure about his own sexuality?

One has to wonder why a man with such a great appreciation for other men's faces obsesses so much about homosexuality. I don't know whether it was another example of the president's awkward humor or if he genuinely was hitting on Scott Reid, but these incidents could raise some questions about the president's professed heterosexuality.

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http://www.popandpolitics.com/articles_detail.cfm?articleID=1388

homosexuality the most. I agree with him.

Interesting article.

Frustrated, too.

Here's the original article.

Bush prefers our pretty boy to his pretty boy

by Jane Taber, The Globe & Mail
Jan. 16, 2004

EXCERPT...

Mr. Bush met Mr. Reid earlier this week at the summit in Monterrey, Mexico, just after the President's breakfast with Mr. Martin.

Mr. Reid was not initially in the hotel room where the two leaders and their closest advisers met, but was called in to brief the Prime Minister at the end as the group waited for the media.
Mr. Bush wandered over during Mr. Reid's chat with the Prime Minister. Mr. Reid introduced himself and shook hands with Mr. Bush.

"Well, what do you do for this guy?" the President asked as he pointed to the Prime Minister.

"Well, you know, sir, I can't really say," Mr. Reid said. "It's not that I don't want to. It's just that, you know, I don't really know from day to day."

This is true. Mr. Reid handles a number of files and performs a number of different duties, depending on the issue and the day.
The President chuckled. "Well, you got a pretty face," he told the surprised Mr. Reid. He wasn't done. "You got a pretty face," he said again. "You're a good-looking guy. Better looking than my Scott anyway."

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BTW: The original article is very well written -- most memorable.

hmmm.

yes, I think W. is a little flamer.

And I bet Gannon topped him good.

Rubbin' his pretty little head.

Saw it on DU. It's such a terrific thing to have such fabulous feelings.

It's just the latest tip of the iceberg:

Opearation MOCKINGBIRD

In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Later that year Wisner established Operation Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic American media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles." One of the most important journalists under Wisner's control was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers.

After 1953 the network was overseen by Allen W. Dulles, director of the Central Intelligence Agency. By this time Operation Mockingbird had a major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. These organizations were run by people with well-known right-wing views such as William Paley (CBS), C.D. Jackson (Fortune Magazine), Henry Luce (Time Magazine and Life Magazine), Arthur Hays Sulzberger (New York Times), Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star), Hal Hendrix (Miami News), Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal), James Copley (Copley News Services) and Joseph Harrison (Christian Science Monitor

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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm

Most people I know keep their hands to themselves.



PS: Tip o' the hat to paineinthearse!

Here's something else that's weird about the psychotic idiot:

GEORGE W. BUSH BLEW UP FROGS

MIDLAND, Texas ANIMAL PEOPLE, July/August 2000

An alert for American voters and humane educators everywhere appeared on May 21 in the 61st through 64th paragraphs of a 76-paragraph NEW YORK TIMES feature on the childhood of Republican candidate for U.S. president George W. Bush -- if anyone noticed.

One of the local rituals for children, reported Nicholas D. Kristof of Life in Midland, Texas, when George W. was a boy, were meetings with cookies and milk at the home of a nice old lady who represented the SPCA. The cookies were digested more thoroughly than the teachings.

`We were terrible to animals,' recalled Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush borne turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. `Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Throckmorton said. `Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.'

Kristof made plain that we explicitly included George W. Bush, and that George W., the Safari Club International Governor of the Year in 1999 for his support of trophy hunting, was the leader among the boys who did it.

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http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-3nov2000-frogs.html

Does Bush being a nutjob insult PETA supporters?

:)

And I think they chose guckert to be their pawn because he's so ruthless and had no qualms in doing their bidding.

of homophobic males to gay erotic movies.

http://www.nine9.ukshells.co.uk/cgi-bin/print.pl?node=galva-understanding-homophobia

it is his insecurity about his manhood that worries me

Just like his Poppy:



FBI Memo indicating future President George Herbert Walker Bush played a role (unclear what) in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

No wonder George Sr was away from home so much. It wasn't that he didn't want to get interviewed by the FBI. He called them. An hour late, but he did call.

n/t

Vice President Dick Cheney , left, talks with Victor Ashe, United States Ambassador to Poland, right, as White House Chief of Staff Andy Card, center, and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, far right, look on during President Bush 's meeting with Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski Wednesday, Feb. 9, 2005 in Washington.

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/050209/74/49m2l.html

Rumors


There is a rumor on the net that Victor Ashe and George W. Bush have been gay lovers. The source of this rumor is Sherman Skolnick. He seems to be the sole source of this and many other rumors. Before Kitty Kelley’s book “The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty” was released, Skolnick claimed that her book substantiated his assertions. He also accused her of using him as an unnamed source. Upon being published, the book was absent of nearly all of his claims. Unsubstantiated rumors about Victor Ashe include:

· Ashe was arrested twice in drag for picking up homosexual prostitutes in public restrooms in Washington D.C. and Atlanta, Georgia.

· Peter Jennings introduced Ashe on national TV in San Francisco as "The gay mayor from Knoxville."

· Ashe wanted to rename Gay Street to "Gay Way."

· Ashe’s mother was arrested for hit-and-run while hiding out at the mayor’s house.

· The National Enquirer in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida was shut down by the F.B.I. for “Anthrax” after 9/11 because they had pictures of Ashe engaged in a Skull & Bones homosexual ritual.

· George W. Bush and Ashe have had a long-term homosexual affair. It is widely reported that they have spent much private time together over the years including their time as roommates at Yale, a seven city tour when Ashe was running for the U.S. Senate, numerous stays by Ashe at the White House, visits by Bush to Ashe in Knoxville, and other trips together without Laura Bush.

· Ashe and Bush would rendezvous at a Tennessee location owned by the purported top financier of Osama Bin Laden.

· Paul O'Neill was sacked as Treasury Chief because he was unable to stop Secret Service agents from leaking the Ashe affair to the press, or from quitting their jobs in disgust.

· The “Red Chinese Secret Police” have used the Bush/Ashe affair to get secrets out of the White House.

· Ashe was nominated Ambassador to Poland because the press had learned about the Bush/Ashe affair and because Ashe has AIDS.

Interesting facts

In 1974, a Judge ruled that Ashe’s run for the Tennessee State Senate was illegal because he would turn 30, the minimum age to serve, after the election. Ashe’s mother ran instead, was elected, and resigned after her first day in office and appointed her son Senator (KnoxNews December 14, 2003).
Speaker John Wilder once offered him $10 to sit down and shut up (KnoxNews December 14, 2003).
His opponent in his 1978 re-election bid, Carl Warner, took a swing at him after Ashe made what Warner termed a snide remark (KnoxNews December 14, 2003).
The only political race he lost was to Al Gore, Jr. in 1984 for the U.S. Senate. (KnoxNews December 14, 2003).
Ashe opposed the referendum on term limits that resulted in his inability to run for a 5th term as mayor.
John Lee sued the City Corporation and its individual agents, including Mayor Victor Ashe, for illegally towing his Honda automobile, without a parking ticket. The City Inc. then denied that they had towed it for over six weeks, and listed the vehicle as "stolen" in the National Criminalistics Information Computer (NCIC), operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI). This resulted in a $700 towing and storage bill from the Corporation's contractor, Sutherland Avenue Wrecker Service. (read more).
Ashe was George W. Bush’s roommate at Yale and they were both on the Cheerleading Squad together.

http://x23e23.tripod.com/ashe.htm


:hi:

Ashe was George W. Bush’s roommate at Yale and they were both on the Cheerleading Squad together.



Cheerleader-in-Chimp

I've seen chimps in the wild. They are smarter than George Walker Bush.

What RBHam said:

RBHam  (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-17-05 05:04 PM
Original message

Questions For John Negroponte

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00208.htm

by Toni Solo

excerpt:

In 1981, a couple of decades before Rachel Corrie was murdered, the bodies of four women were found in a shallow grave in a rural district not far from San Salvador, El Salvador's capital. They had been raped and shot dead by members of the Salvadoran army on the orders of senior officers. In the context of the time, the atrocity would hardly have merited reporting. But the women were United States citizens. Two were religious sisters of the New York based Maryknoll order, Ita Ford and Maureen Clarke. One was an Ursuline Sister, Dorothy Kazel, the fourth a lay missioner, Jean Donovan. By virtue of their nationality, the story did make the news, just - the back page of the New York Times, to that paper's eternal shame.

Those four women had helped defend Salvadorans from the terror unleashed against their own people by the Salvadoran government with support from the United States administrations of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. They gave their lives working alongside vulnerable people and communities in El Salvador. The murders followed the assassination in 1980 of Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero. The women's deaths were manipulated by the US government and its ever-pliant news media. The full facts took years to emerge. US ambassador to the UN, Jean Kirkpatrick, falsely accused the women of having supported the Salvadoran armed opposition, the FMLN. In fact, the four women were passionate advocates of non-violence, accompanying the rural villagers they served while caught up in a violent civil war.

Ambassador Kirkpatrick's statements on the case of the four women were to be expected from an unrepentant supporter of the bloodthirsty Argentinian military dictatorship. Her successor at the UN was Vernon Walters, former deputy director of the CIA, co-organiser of the continent wide terrorist blueprint Plan Condor and promoter of Ronald Reagan's terrorist war against Nicaragua. In 1986 Vernon Walters threw in the face of the UN his government's rejection of the International Court of Justice verdict convicting the US of terrorism against Nicaragua.
Kirkpatrick's and Walters' apologetics for mass murder helped John Negroponte, then US ambassador to Honduras, cover up his support for the systematic forced disappearances used to destroy Honduran civilian opposition to the presence of Contra bases in their country. Thomas Pickering, US ambassador to El Salvador at the time, also gave misleading information on local army and paramilitary murders, probably an essential qualification for his subsequent posting in 1989 as US ambassador to the UN, taking over from Vernon Walters.

"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience…therefore have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring." -Nuremberg Tribunal, 1950

SOURCE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3131662

or does this line:

After shaking hands with Mr. Reid, Bush remarked, "Well, you've got a pretty face."

call up memories of "Deliverance"?

A little more twang in *'s voice and I could easily picture him saying: "You shore do have a purdy mouf, boy."

Bush is an inbred psychotic moron.

Snakes in suits and how to spot them

By Giles Whittell
November 11, 2002

Cold-blooded, remorseless egomaniacs in the boardroom are a hidden threat to your job, your savings and your investments. But our correspondent says the good news is that a new psychological test can flush them out

HERE ARE SOME facts: Andrew Fastow, formerly of Enron, stands accused by an American court of taking $30 million (£20 million) in kickbacks from the company while its shareholders lost more than $70 billion. Bernie Ebbers, formerly of WorldCom, is said to have arranged for his telecommunications firm to lend him $408 million as it slid towards bankruptcy. John Rigas, founder of the Adelphia cable TV giant, built himself a $13 million private golf course and, it is claimed, “borrowed” more than $3 billion from company accounts for his family while his shareholders saw $60 billion wiped from their investments. And here is a perfectly sober conclusion: if guilty, they are all psychopaths. Not killers. Not rapists. Not necessarily even criminals. Just cold-blooded, remorseless, egomaniacal psychopaths.

It’s a tricky word. Being a psychopath is not something that ordinary people aspire to, but neither does it have to involve face-eating cannibalism (Hannibal Lecter probably wasn’t a psychopath at all). The central qualification is to show no conscience; to fail to empathise.

Fastow, Rigas and the other stars of the great corporate meltdown showed little sign of conscience before — or since — being accused by the lumbering US court system, and they share other symptoms of psychopathy. They radiated charisma and authority, but hid much about themselves and their organisations. They revelled in risk, took no account of its potential cost to others or themselves, and rose to power during a time of chaos and upheaval.

When their worlds imploded, the markets staggered in disbelief. Hundreds of thousands of employees and investors lost pensions, savings and money they could ill-afford to have gambled. The bosses expressed scant regret and most of them continue to insist that they have done nothing wrong. Meanwhile, regulators, FBI agents and forensic psychologists, not to mention the fleeced American middle class, continue to scratch their heads and wonder how these apparent shysters got to where they did.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-7-476077,00.html

I'm beginning to grate at the description of these psychos as "gay," "homosexual" or "queer." They are their OWN BREED of slimy reptile who combine POWER with "forbidden" sex just like this vile excuse for a human being... http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/misc/roy-cohn/

There's nothing wrong with being gay. It's nobody's business anyway. The thing is, there are some twisted fucks who happen to be gay and Cohn, Hoover and Tolson just happened to have been three of them.

J. Edgar Hoover and The Farm

by Albert Bates

EXCERPT...

Hoover's own life was a curious contradiction. (Slide) A transdressing homosexual, he was seriously compromised and blackmailed by figures as diverse as Roy Cohn and Santo Trafficante. He had a gambling addiction. He spent federal money lavishly for his personal needs. He kept records of illegal FBI activities out of the bureau central records system by using file categories like "Do Not File," "Official and Confidential," "Personal and Confidential," "June Mail," and "Obscene," over which he had sole control. In turn, he was controlled almost completely by organized crime and others who possessed pictures of Hoover, in drag and in flagrante delicto with his long time aide, Clyde Tolson. (Slide) Tolson, like Hoover had a solitary love affair in his youth, and was engaged to be married. The girl went away to work at a summer resort and came back pregnant by another man. Tolson never got over the humiliation.5

New York powerbroker Roy Cohn (Slide) used his leverage over Hoover to make "Mary" (Cohn's nickname for Edgar) his private sex slave.6 At a private party in Cohn's townhouse, Mary, dressed in a black garter belt, had one underaged male lover read to him from the Bible, while another engaged him in a sex act, as Cohn's partygoers looked on.

At about the same time, Hoover and Tolson asked the Senate Subcommittee on Supplemental Appropriations, in closed session, for $14.5 million to add 1,000 new agents to monitor liberation theologists.

SOURCE:

http://www.thefarm.org/lifestyle/akbp3.html

PS: As Jacques Vallee wrote, it really is an "Associative Universe." While you were bringing up Roy M. Cohn, I was bringing up blackmail and its influence on Cohn, J Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson. I posted the info on Minstrel Boy's thread regarding Gannon and blackmail. Thanks for the great link, Karenina!

The thing is Bush's policies have done all they can to hurt gays and all Americans. That makes him fair game -- in politics.

wonderful thing to do, as long as its just politics. I find it to be disgusting and gay-bashing wrapped in some "self-respectable" wrapping.

J. EDGAR HOOVER

Homosexual Allegations and Mafia Blackmail

J. Edgar Hoover headed the Federal Bureau of Investigation for 48 years, from 1924 until his death in 1972.  With his death, it was disclosed that Hoover had seriously abused his power during his tenure as FBI Director.  Some of the most outrageous abuses concerned Hoover's use of FBI surveillance agents to obtain defamatory information--much of it sexual--on prominent persons to be used for political and blackmail purposes.

Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk would later say:  "Hoover passed along gossip to the President he served, and that practice could raise questions in a President's mind.  What did Hoover know about him?  In theoretical terms, that put Hoover in the position of a veiled blackmailer."

SNIP...

The following text is excerpted from the book, Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover by Anthony Summers.

Mafia boss, Joseph Bonanno, articulated the principles of the game.  It was a strict underworld rule, he said, never to use violent means against a law enforcement officer.  "Ways could be found," he said in his memoirs, "so that he would not interfere with us and we wouldn't interfere with him."  The way the Mafia found to deal with Edgar , according to several mob sources, involved his homosexuality.

The mob bosses had been well placed to find out about Edgar's compromising secret, and at a significant time and place.  It was on New Year's Eve 1936, after dinner at the Stork Club, that Edgar was seen by two of Walter Winchell's guests holding hands with his lover, Clyde .  At the Stork, where he was a regular, Edgar was immensely vulnerable to observation by mobsters.  The heavyweight champion Jim Braddock, who also dined with Edgar and Clyde that evening, was controlled by Costello's associate Owney Madden.  Winchell, as compulsive a gossip in private as he was in his column, constantly cultivated Costello.  Sherman Billingsley, the former bootlegger who ran the Stork, reportedly installed two-way mirrors in the toilets and hidden microphones at tables used by celebrities.  Billingsley was a pawn of Costello's, and Costello was said to be the club's real owner.  He would have had no compunction about persecuting Edgar, and he loathed homosexuals.

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http://www.geocities.com/hooversecret/

to actively attack a living political figure. But, thanks for posting it, because it shows what Hoover was doing was definite gay-bashing. Very similar to what is starting to happen on this board.

seems to me that what's being discussed is the hypocritical nature of the policies and posturings of many in the booosh badministration, from the top down (pun intended).

If, for instance, booosh himself were a closet womanizer, pinching butts and taking advantage of any opportunity to brush his hand or arm across a woman's breasts or whatever form his "groping" took, we would be on him like stink on shit for his hypocrisy. Therefore, I don't think there's anything wrong with examining the possibility that he's not as "monogamous" and pure as he spouts.

For me, as a straight woman, I haven't seen anything in his public behavior that suggests he's a womanizer. He doesn't even seem to make a big deal of his marriage or his daughters, as if he just plain doesn't like women, not even as companions. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, exuded an aura of sex appeal. he just looked like a guy who liked woman -- sexually and socially.

So do we just say, "Hey, boooosh doesn't look like he's foolin' around with any women, so he must not be foolin' around with anyone"? Or do we look at his behavior -- both his interpersonal actions and his policy actions -- and examine what's going on and what we think might be going on?

Or does being gay give one a pass? And isn't that the tack Gluckert is taking?

misconduct, why does seemingly every reference to Guckert/Gannon refer to a "gay prostitute" or "gay hooker" when just "prostitute" or "hooker" would suffice?

Why does someone on another thread write out a little ditty about "First comes love, then comes HIV". Why do people talk gleefully about "shoving this down Bush's throat". Why do people in a Bush/pretzel thread, laughingly say "well, maybe it was a sausage instead".

I am not addressing this to you, but it is quite obvious that many on this board love to wallow in gay-bashing when it serves their political purposes. It shows many gays, that DUers in general might not be friendly to gays at all.

magazines or on ladies only websites. He was selling his services to men and he is a man, thus gay is very appropriate.

If he was selling his services to women, then prostitute would suffice.

They are the ones that say same sex relationships are wrong and equate same sex marriage to the marriage of a human to a box turtle. That has not been promoted by the dem leadership or anyone on DU, that is the lying bunch of hypocrites that let Guckert into the WH as their shill.

I'm not going to do it.

not recognizing that it is about the lies and the hypocrisy of the weed's admin and the repukes.

You are spinning their spin with your every "don't bring gay into this" post.

He is a man, he sold his body to men, advertising his "talents" on men for men websites, he did not sell his body to women, thus gay prostitute is appropriate.

How a prostitute that owes $20k plus in back taxes, who displays his naked body in various positions (including peeing) in an effort to entice other men to pay him for his performances while all along he purports to be a "journalist" with unfettered access to the WH press room, got his unending supply of day passes is the issue. If he had clients in the WH, that is important.

The truth is this is a national security issue and an abuse of powers issue, it involves sex and sex sells.

Maureen Dowd was not allowed into the WH press briefings, not with a hard pass or a day pass. They would not allow her in, she was banned.

A hard pass requires a Secret Service background check that Jimmy-Jeff would never have cleared. So the admin got around the requirement for a Secret Service background by giving him a continuous day pass. His name was always on the "admit" list. Dowd's was on the "do not admit" list.

Is it that simple, did they find their way around the Secret Service background requirement because they knew of his moonlighting or was he allowed around the Secret Service requirements because someone with influence was his client and/or companion?

Side note: Prostitutes usually don't pay state or federal income tax. I wonder if Jimmy-Jeff did! If he didn't he is guilty of tax evasion.

This is why Gannon's pass is a security



problem and a danger to our national security! SEX FOR SECRETS has always been a source of information for spies and violation of national security. Mata Hari anyone?

Sex for secrets

By SIMON BENSON AND IAN McPHEDERAN

February 19, 2005

AN Israeli spy was kicked out of Australia for trying to seduce female spies, diplomats and defence specialists employed by some of the most sensitive national security agencies, security sources said yesterday.

Amir Laty, expelled on December 28, even targeted journalists in the hope of cultivating young women with access to government secrets.

"It was an attempt at high-level espionage,'' a national security source said.

Apart from Laty's friendship with Attorney-General Philip Ruddock's 26-year-old daughter Caitlin, he is also believed to have had liaisons with a woman from the Defence Intelligence Organisation and another from the Prime Minister and Cabinet Office's international policy unit.

Intelligence experts claimed he used the "honeypot" method, pretending a love interest to entrap woman in middle-level intelligence organisations.
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=1868c3a6ed039eea&cat=c08dd24cec417021

and "sleaze it up" for the bigoted masses. Others of us will address the key, pertinent parts of the story.

I have not sensationalized a thing, but have explained to you all of the links and the complexities. I have simply explained to you that gay cannot be left out of the equation.

You would rather accept the RW spin that discussing Gannon's sexuality is gay bashing. You are wrong (imho).

(and I'm not talking about myself), "RW spinners" feel free to.

No one on this thread seems interested in discussing the key points of this issue (which are how the WH set up a partisan-funded, and possibly WH-funded, "news service" to not only distribute propaganda but also possibly disseminate classified information).

This thread is about silly rumor-mongering. Stay focused on that.

And since sex sells and since sex has been used for espionage purposes in the past and even recently and since he was selling sex, his sexual activities are pertinent to the key issues involved herein. Talon News and GOPUSA more likely than not knew about his moonlighting escapades, given his was selling his services while working for them.

Hell, he did an article for one conservative website on the same day that spaceman gave him a glowing review. Bobby Eberle is an aerospace engineer, is he spaceman, could there be a connection? Who knows, but it is worth looking into.

My post above clearly sets out all of the issues involved. That you have chosen to come into this thread and accuse folks of "gay bashing" and not focusing on the issues clearly proves that you don't want to discuss the issues, you just want to criticize. Not until I asked you what you perceived to be the issues did you post them in this thread.

And, not one mention of "male prostitute", as opposed to post #56 that included:

"he sold his body to men, advertising his "talents" on men for men websites, he did not sell his body to women, thus gay prostitute is appropriate."

And a Sex for Secrets rumor-mongering article.

I have actually been trying to find a substantive thread to follow today re: Gannon/Guckert. All I found was a plea to stay focused on the pertinent parts of the issue. Alas, the poster got bashed.

is actually an article published in the Australian on line news source The Daily Telegraph. I don't live there, but I am pretty sure it is a legitimate source of news and the action taken to expel the individual for his sexcapades was an official action of the government for national security reasons.

"While romancing by a young, single male diplomat is not considered serious enough to warrant expulsion, selecting well-placed female government officials for "careful cultivation" to obtain high-level information is a different matter."

It's a damned shame you don't bother reading all that is provided as a resource for you to consider.

Like it or not - Gannon sold his body to men and he was a man, so he was a gay prostitute. Whether or not he lives as a bisexual or a hetero sexual when not servicing others is besides the point, he sold himself to other men for same sex relations. If he wasn't gay it appears that he was exploiting gays. Since he was a man that sold his services to other men and not to women, he was a gay prostitute.

servicing others is besides the point"

I see nothing in your posts that leads me to believe you think its besides the point.

And, I read the "Sex for Secrets" article. The Daily Telegraph, although a tabloid, is a solid source (I've travelled to and worked in Australia). As the article states, the idea of national security being compromised through sex is a valid concern. Oddly enough, the aricle did not deem it necessary to make distinctions between heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual relationships. That's because even the "neanderthals" in the Defense Dept. realized about 10 yrs ago, that it wasn't a valid distinction. Alas, it seems we have not all learned that lesson.

If he was not gay, he probably was exploiting gays.

The article was about a man who perused females in high government places. Read it again.

Sex is an issue and the fact that he was committing crimes and working as a "journalist" at the same time he was prostituting himself to other men is an issue and a concern.

whom to doesn't really matter, as even DOD recognizes.

I read the article. No mention of anything other than heterosexuality if you want to be specific. Maybe they don't think it matters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3144247

Yep, we are a focused bunch at times.

"Woof woo wife fwief wiff fwaff?"

She has lost a lot of weight since then.

I admit it. BTW, which one is Anne?

I can't speak for those who are making the remarks about pretzels and other food items.

But I do think there's a validity in the terms "gay hooker" or "gay male prostitute."

The default on "hooker" is straight female = a woman who is paid to have sex with men. When we move away from the default, we have to provide qualifiers. "Male prostitute" might be taken as "man who is paid to have sex with women." Thus, "gay male prostitute" simply clarifies. And because issues such as gay marriage and adoption by gay couples are being put into the general discourse, I think it's important to let the public know that Guckert does participate in some aspects of homosexuality and lies about it. Simply labeling him a hooker doesn't give the full picture.

I personally deplore the language you refer to, but I'm not using it.

Why do you feel it necessary to provide qualifiers? I don't get that at all. I only see it as buying into the RW meme. I'm not going to do that.

If I say to someone, "Hey, that fake reporter at the White House ws a hooker," the default impression is that it was a woman selling herself to men. Sorry, but as a woman I don't like being the default when it's not accurate.

It's a matter of accuracy.

If you don't like accuracy, I'm sorry, I can't help you.

The whole notion of being caught "in bed with a dead woman or a live boy" is part of the lexicon.

There's a great deal more impact from saying that someone spouts anti-gay policy but is in fact committing (or at least advertising that he will commit for pay) homosexual acts than merely to say so-and-so spouts anti-gay rhetoric.

Once again, it's the hypocrisy.

AND THERE'S NO HYPOCRISY IF HE ISN'T GAY.

A woman who has had an abortion but says she's against abortion is a hypocrite; a woman who has endured a life-threatening pregnancy rather than abort and says she's against abortion is not a hypocrite.

A person who carries on about the dangers of peak oil and demands Congress enact alt-fuels legislation but drives a Denali to the corner store for a pack of $5 cigarettes is a hypocrite; a person who rides a bike to work and demands fuel conservation legislation is not a hypocrite.

Thus, a person who spouts anti-gay rhetoric, who spouts Christian values bullshit, and who lives a life antithetical to all that he spouts is a hypocrite. We can't define his hypocrisy without defining him.

Not sure why you think the only thing wrong with the story is that he is gay. There is so much wrongdoing even from a Republican moral values standpoint.

...it doesnt mean its 'bashed'...Imho.
Part of their manipulation is making people fearful of talking about.....anything.

But, when rumor-mongering is used as a political weapon in that discussion, that can certainly be discussed too, can't it? Or, are you trying to shut that line-of-reasoning down?

How about the * installation who has been actively homophobic in every way possible? C'mon now! All anyone is doing on this board is exposing the * & Co hypocrisy!

And EXPOSED it should be!

* & Co have gotten away with far too much and maligned and hurt far too many gay people to now ignore the truth about them just because it doesn't sit well with a few people in some sort of skewed politically correct way.

who is doing the gay-bashing. I can't talk to all that are doing it, because I don't frequent RW forums. So, I am speaking to the people that I am able to address.

to say that people here on DU are gay bashing. I don't see it. To expose * & Co for their lies, hypocrisy and crimes against ALL humanity-gay and straight-is what must done.

as opposed to rumor-mongering is even better, and more productive. We agree!

and how much Bush and his minions have done to hurt people who happen to be gay.

They are the ones trying to AMEND the CONSTITUTION to prohibit gay unions.

I finally figured out why. They don't want to be sued for alimony from all of their 'lovers'.

So if it turns out that W is gay, then it is a major issue and he should be forced to resign because of that and all the other wrong doings and crimes that he has committed in the last 4+ years.

the hate of gays, then he is the one demonizing gays, not the posters here that are trying to uncover the truth and stop the lies and the harm of the evil twerp.

During the days when anyone with "1% Negro blood" made a person a Negro in the eyes of the law and prevented them from having the same rights as the whites (voting, right to marry whites, etc), if it was discovered that a leader that promoted and fostered laws that continued to harm the rights of the Negro had that 1% of Negro blood, would exposing his true blood line be demonizing the African Americans or would it be exposing him as a liar and a hypocrite?

No one on DU is demonizing the gays, this admin and the GOP and fundies have done that, we are just trying to expose them for the liars and hypocrites they are. In doing so, maybe we can restore the rights to the gays that this admin has taken from them.

silly rumor-mongering used in the article in the OP, feel free to. Just don't think that you're doing gays any favor. And, don't be proud of it.

Edit: Typo.

an agenda that is harmful to gays and have fostered the hate for gays, then you better believe that I believe identifying them for who they are and for their lies will be helping gays all over this nation.

Whatever makes you feel good. Isn't that how it goes?

For a different perspective, you might want to read this post.

fresnobill314 (14 posts)
Fri Feb-18-05 05:43 PM

43. I know from whence I speak.
Someone objected to my "down the throat" pun, so I'll make myself perfectly clear:

I'm a 51 year old HIV positive gay white male, born and raised in Brooklyn, NY, now living in Fresno,CA, the gold buckle of the California homophobic bible belt. I'm a registered Democrat in a largely Rebublican city. I peer counsel other hiv positive people as a volunteer, and I serve on a committee which helps determine how Ryan White Title funds are distributed in the county.

As a gay man, I can make a gay joke. Overly sensitive hetero males will have to keep their peace, just as white folks everywhere need to keep their peace when black comics and rappers use the "n" word.


These are the things that offend me about Gannongate:

1.) This jerk is a "Roy Cohn" type, self-hating gay male that collaborates with the current administration. He is akin to the gay men in Berlin of the 20's and 30's who embraced Hitler's politics.

2.) If blackmail is the reason, who is being extorted? The mainstream press is already toeing the Bush line, as evidenced by the mainstream press stories that have been published to date. No one seems overly concerned about Jeff Gannon. So, who's the real target of this blackmail?

3.) The military, with its "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy toward gays in the military, has kept silent about a manwhore in the White House selling himself as a "military stud." Where is the outrage from Rumsfeld?

4.) Law-abiding gay and lesbian couples can't marry, but a lying male prostitute gets carte blanche in the White House press room? Even a passionate hug from the Commander-In-Chief?

5.) HIV funding, Medicaid funding, and Social Security benefits are all in jeopardy presently, but no one in the GOP has a problem with a $200 an hour male prostitute posing as a reporter?

6.) The torture reports from Abu Graib shows soldiers placing prisoners in "homosexual" poses to embarrass them. I'm offended that gay sex is used as torture in Iraq, but sold to any gay Republican who can afford the going rate.

The Christian Right, the GOP, and the Armed Forces need to have their collective feet held to the fire about Jeff Gannon. I've given up hope that the MSM will give any more attention to this.

I am not worried about any gay backlash. These hypocrites must be exposed, and if it takes an unholy alliance with the Christian Right to do it, then so be it. If a blowjob in the Oval Office can bring the country to a screeching halt, then a gay hooker in the White House press room should topple a regime.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3138211&mesg_id=3139174

gays and gay-rights advocates are not some monolithic political bloc....shocking, ain't it?

Stop confusing the issues, it is the weed and his admin and the repukes that have made being gay evil, they have put the efforts for civil rights back 20 or 30 years. If exploring the depth of jimmy-jeff's connection to the WH exposes them as liars and as gay, then the harm of their harmful agenda can be stopped.

will take opinions as advice. Been here too long to believe that So, they're just opinions. Ignore them and trash them as you deem necessary.

What I won't do is take silly evidence-free rumor-mongering and run with it. If I do that, I might just end up looking like a fool.

opinions of others and we discuss and debate them. That does not mean that we are "running" with them, it means we are open to considering their relevance and credibility.

You would prefer to try to dissuade others by saying "stop the gay bashing". Well if the weed is gay, he deserves to be bashed! It is that simple.

effectively, and win on this one. We tend to fumble issues like this instead.

scandal was brought to light. It was too sensitive an issue, they let it die rather than offend the sensitivies of many or worse, rather than uncover some nasty secrets of our leaders.

As I said, not until I asked did you post in this thread what you perceive to be the key issues. I agree with you about the issues, I do not agree that the "gay" references or possible gay relationships can be left out of the investigation. I especially do not agree with you that discussing the gay angle is gay bashing.

There were a few threads about that earlier. Funny how pedophiles always comes up quickly when gays are mentioned. I read one of those threads. It also had references to the Illuminati and Freemasons. Hey whatever floats your boat.

By the way, the administrators canned a few of those pedophile threads. I guess they are "just like those dems" that you are complaining about?

for control and power, it is the hypocrisy of an administration that campaigned on the premise that it would bring honor back to the WH after a sex scandal, yet it planted a gay prostitute as its shill at press conferences to further its twisted and partisan agenda, an agenda that included gay bashing and the destruction of civil rights for gays. It is the hyprocrisy of an admin that fosters the hate of gays to further its political agenda and that tells us that they have secured our nation by implementing "enhanced national security" standards yet they allowed a criminal that publicly advertised his crimes unfettered access to the WH.

"prostitute" without putting "gay" in front of it. It's almost getting humorous.

When people mention the Illuminati and Freemasonry in their stories, I tend to write the stories off. Maybe, its a failing of mine, but I tend to think not.

I would not put gay in front of prostitute. He would have simply been a prostitute. He chose his market. He sold his services to men, a majority of which I would surmise were gay. He was a gay prostitute.

What is humorous is you don't get it.

I don't understand what you mean by this statement: "Illuminati and Freemasonry in their stories".

The total irony of this entire discourse with you is that you continue to post in a thread the contents of which you consider harmful. Instead of letting it die a natural death, you have kept it alive.

you did some research on it!?! Tsk, tsk if you didn't. As someone said earlier, its a shame you don't take the time to read about things before addressing them.

As for "not getting it". No, I get it exactly. Your posts and emphasis have made it quite clear. Give yourself credit.

Oh, BTW, while we have been having this discourse, a few new, more substantive posts on this scandal have popped up. Shame, you haven't chosen to participate. Sadly, few have.

Here's something that most conspircacy nuts don't know:

Future President George Herbert Walker Bush warned the FBI he knew somebody threatened to kill President Kennedy -- MINUTES AFTER JFK WAS DEAD. Read it yourself.



Seems "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" also had a sit-down with Director J Edgar Hoover's people to talk over what the anti- and pro-Castro Cuban community had to say about the assassination:



That's not weird. That looks like treason to me.

SOURCE:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Text of 22 November 1963 FBI Memo:
 
TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63
 
FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL
 
SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY
 
At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.
 
BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.
 
BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.
 
BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

Text of 29 November Memo:
 
To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State
 
From: John Edgar Hoover, Director
 
Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963
 
Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.
 
Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.
 
An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.
 
The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.
 
# # #

These FUCKS are traitors. Who cares if they're gay?
 

But, it appears that this is a minority opinion.

gay bashing on DU..just bringing to light the hypocrisy of these snake-oil cutthroats.

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Money, Media & the Mess in America

By Robert Parry
January 28, 2005

EXCERPT...

Recently, it’s been revealed, too, that the Bush administration paid conservative pundits Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher while they promoted White House policies. Even fellow conservatives have criticized those payments, but the truth is that the ethical line separating conservative “journalism” from government propaganda has long since been wiped away.

For years now, there’s been little meaningful distinction between the Republican Party and the conservative media machine.

In 1982, for instance, South Korean theocrat Sun Myung Moon established the Washington Times as little more than a propaganda organ for the Reagan-Bush administration. In 1994, radio talk show host Limbaugh was made an honorary member of the new Republican House majority.

The blurring of any ethical distinctions also can be found in documents from the 1980s when the Reagan-Bush administration began collaborating secretly with conservative media tycoons to promote propaganda strategies aimed at the American people.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/012805.html

all fiction anyway. What they do and think in private is totally different and kept very secret so I wouldn't doubt that when the curtain of secrecy is removed, you will find that Little Boots' real life is quite different than his public one.

Remember that in Hitler's regime, only his inner circle knew about his mistress Eva Braun. She was seldom allowed to accompany him to receptions or other social and state functions, and when she did she had to follow behind as if she were part of his staff.

May the analogy also portend KKKali-goola's destiny.

For those wondering WTF, Bush's grandpoppy Prescott was in business with Averell Harriman and Allen Dulles. These are the turds who helped fund Hitler before and during the war, then afterward helped staff the CIA with NAZIs. Behold:

CIA's Worst-Kept Secret

By Martin A. Lee
May 16, 2001

"Honest and idealist ... enjoys good food and wine ... unprejudiced mind..."

That's how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg's SS unit performed "special duties," a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other "undesirables" during the Second World War.

Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late 1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs.

Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue's gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies.

Pried loose by Congress, which passed the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act three years ago, a long-hidden trove of once-classified CIA documents confirms one of the worst-kept secrets of the Cold War – the CIA's use of an extensive Nazi spy network to wage a clandestine campaign against the Soviet Union.

The CIA reports show that U.S. officials knew they were subsidizing numerous Third Reich veterans who had committed horrible crimes against humanity, but these atrocities were overlooked as the anti-Communist crusade acquired its own momentum. For Nazis who would otherwise have been charged with war crimes, signing on with American intelligence enabled them to avoid a prison term.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

But if he's gay, I think the explanation is simpler: The Religious Cowboy is an act that sells. He's in drag and giving us all high Berlesque.

...And everyone's buying it.


:-)

"Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” - Federal Documents
  
By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003

After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.

Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.

The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment.
Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.

At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.

CONTINUED...

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/article.php?story=20040603030134634

I love it when he blows us kisses!

From "America's Best Christian" comes:

Indeed, it appears that everyone our prancing President runs into is simply FAB-U-LOUS!

(Not one word in quotation marks has been changed from the official transcripts. To you hellbound doubting Thomases out there (you know who you are -- and so does Jesus), if you click on the quotation, it will bring up the page on official White House website that contains the speech in which the word "fabulous" was squealed with delight.)

Official Xanax spokesperson Laura Bush ("a fabulous First Lady");

His viper-tongued mother Barbara ("a fabulous mother");

Nimble prevaricator Condoleezza Rice (an "honest fabulous person")

Chuck Berry (who -- my stars! -- did prison time for surreptitiously filming women going to the toilet), Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, and Stevie Wonder ("a fabulous array of artists") -- so nice that our swishy leader had gotten over the public snub of Stevie not waving back at him!;

His whole Cabinet ("I put together a fabulous Cabinet");

House Speaker Denny Hastert & Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist ("It is a joy to work with these two fabulous Americans");


CONTINUED FABULOUSITY...

http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html

and I still think he is. In Texas...men marry all the time and have affairs on the side. THat way they can have their cake and eat it oo so to speak.

she inseminated with the twins? Makes you wonder.

are quite possibly gay? Makes you wonder all right.

I think might try. I guess we would have to ask George and Laura, wouldn't we, unless one of his boyfriends gives an exclusive to Connie Chung or some other tabloid journalist.

Self delete

The thing isn't his sexual orientation: Bush is a nutjob.

You said that, too, IIRC.

Washington Shrink Calls Bush a "Paranoid, Sadistic Megalomaniac"

Capitol Hill Blue Staff and Wire Reports, June 14, 2004

A new book by a prominent Washington psychoanalyst says President George W. Bush is a "paranoid meglomaniac" as well as a sadist and "untreated alcoholic." The doctor's analysis appears to confirm earlier reports the President may be emotionally unstable.

Dr. Justin Frank, writing in Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President, also says the President has a ""lifelong streak of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using firecrackers to explode frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over state executions ... pumping his fist gleefully before the bombing of Baghdad."

Even worse, Dr. Frank concludes, the President's years of heavy drinking ""may have affected his brain function - and his decision to quit drinking without the help of a 12-step program him at far higher risk of relapse."

Dr. Frank's revelations comes on the heels of last week's Capitol Hill Blue exclusive that revealed increasing concern by White House aides over Bush's emotional stability.

Aides, who spoke only on condition that their names be withheld, told stories of wide mood swings by the President who would go from quoting the Bible one minute to obscenity-filled outbursts the next.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1942

Why didn't anyone listen? Is the Truth Babel?

Bush's World War
and the Third Option
of Peace with Justice

In reaction to a horrible attack on the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon, United States President George W. Bush has proclaimed what amounts to an overt and covert war against any and all "terrorists" he considers enemies of the United States. He has also included as enemies in this war any person, group or government that "harbors" such terrorists. As if that was not enough, he has furthermore announced that everyone in the world must choose either to support the United States in this war against terrorists or be considered hostile by his regime. Noam Chomsky has noted that not even the Nazis went that far. Bush, in his inability to negotiate and his lack of flexibility and tolerance, sees the world in black and white with no middle ground. Although Bush may have much military power under his command, he is not God and cannot exclude a third alternative; neither is he competent nor authorized to be the judge and jury of terrorists. The nature of his misguided foreign policy was clearly indicated when he chose as his chief diplomat General Colin Powell, who is publicly known for his doctrine that employs the "use of overwhelming force."

As a peace-loving person, I do not support any terrorists. That means I do not support government terrorism either, whether it be by "rogue states" or a super-power that acts like a rogue state. Thus I cannot support Bush's war against everyone in the world who will not take his side for which he has even used the misguided word "crusade." Perhaps the closest analogy to the campaign Bush is launching is the Gulf of Tonkin resolution that President Lyndon Johnson passed through the U. S. Congress in August 1964. That misguided escalation led to a horrible and useless war that killed more than a million Vietnamese and ended with American defeat in 1975. Since the United States has been bombing Iraq for ten years, has recently bombed a Sudan pharmaceutical factory, Afghanistan camps originally set up by the CIA, and Yugoslavia's infrastructure, and provides the weapons by which Israel attacks Palestinians, this proclamation by Bush must also be considered an escalation of on-going conflicts into a larger war.

Ironically this war also has been stimulated and justified by demonizing an enemy (Osama bin Laden), who in fact was previously supported by the United States CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) in the American-financed war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. This continues the pattern of atrocities, just as the U. S. CIA supported Manuel Noriega before going to war against him and Panama. How many Americans recall or are aware that hundreds of innocent Panamanians were buried in mass graves in the war crimes perpetrated by President George Herbert Walker Bush? Bush Sr. also demonized Iraq's Saddam Hussein after he had been supported by United States weaponry and aid in Iraq's war against Iran, during which even chemical weapons were used against the Kurd minority. The United States has a disastrous record of helping to create Frankenstein monsters and then later rousing the people to go to war against them.

Bush's war against everyone in the world who does not agree with him is doomed to defeat. How long it will last and how many people will be killed will depend on how long it takes for the American people to realize it is folly and act to change the policy of their government. The solution to terrorism is not military interventions that are and cause more terror but the peaceful resolution of conflicts, protection of all human rights, and compassionate concern for the welfare of all. In the dialect of history this misguidedwar may even accelerate the world toward its climactic struggle, which will be between those who use violence and those who courageously stand up for nonviolent and judicial solutions to human conflicts. Every person is free to decide to choose the peaceful alternative that insists on true justice under universal laws that are fair for everyone, not what is dictated by any one group, religion, ideology, nation, or alliance of nations through the use of military power.

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http://www.san.beck.org/BushWarand3rdOption.html

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The thread seems to have gone full circle, along with some tangents.

Thanks all.
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