Scott Ritter Says U.S. Plans June attack on IRAN

"Scott Ritter, appearing with journalist Dahr Jamail yesterday in Washington State, dropped two shocking bombshells in a talk delivered to a packed house in Olympia’s Capitol Theater. The ex-Marine turned UNSCOM weapons inspector said that George W. Bush has "signed off" on plans to bomb Iran in June 2005, and claimed the U.S. manipulated the results of the recent Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.
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On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran’s alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism. "

Source: Mark Pierce
United for Peace for Pierce County
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=iraq_war&Number=293393206

I hate cold weather but I may have to move to Canada after all!

The NeoCons have been pretty open about their plan for a really big war -- regional, if not world wide.

Condi and George have their own cute little ways of preparing people for a bigger conflict, calling the "war on terror" -- "a generational conflict."

I think your average American don't stand to think about this happening, even as they watch it unfold their eyes.

It's going to be just like Iraq -- George knows all he has to do is get his foot in the door, create total chaos, and America will be stuck into another horrific war. Oh, and yes, the Democrats will go along with it.

Michigan, tropical America.

The idiots gave this maniacal killer permission to attack any country he wants to. How the fuck are they going to put Pandora back in her box???

After he won the Nov election, he said that it was an endorsement of his invasion of Iraq. This translates to: "I'm going to claim that all Americans want me to overrun the whole Middle East, as they gave me a "mandate."

They have been setting us up for this.

I sure saw this coming, as did many others.

And you're right -- Congress gives them a green light every time. Anyone thinks Bush is going to stop on his own is very foolish. He can only be forced to stop. Oh well. We Democrats don't want to be impolite or rock the boat....

on Tuesday? How can these people be stopped??? SOMEONE needs to do SOMETHING to take these people down. NOW! Get them away from what's left of our Democracy!

Kennedy, Boxer, Kucinich, Wes Clark.

But Bush will stick our collective foot in the mess, and it will be too late; having imperiled our troops -- AGAIN -- they will be forced to "show them support" by going along with Disaster Phase 3.

--ask them to get busy on this. Post contact info for Clark so we can ask him, too.

electoral just wasn't good enough

For which he already recieved permission.

Bush has been setting us up all along. he says, present troops strengths are adequate, but as soon as one of my commander requests more, I shall provide them. Translation -- and some of us have gotten very good at BushSpeak -- there's going to be a draft, and that he KNOWS the American people are behind him on this.

I don't know the right order, but I know for a fact that these things will take place.

I say, Bush gets the final report by the end of March as scheduled, telling him that the system for the draft is in place and ready to be started if needed.

The news media then begins talking about "increased chatter." They scare the living daylights out of people in this country by raising the terror level to either red (the top) or orange while "flirting with raising it to red."

Then Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell go on television rallying the religious right, and on the 700 Club, Robertson prays for the nation, talks about the "evil" otherside, and talks about how "wonderful" Bush is.

A devastating attack takes place either in the United States or in Iraq, and Iran is said to have a hand in it.

Bush comes out and says the usual crap about how they "hate us for our freedoms," and "terrified" people in this country who don't have a clue that they are living under a system of fascism give in to Bush's calls for "sacrifice," and the need to get these "terrorists" who did this. They see if enlistments begin increasing. If they do not, they start the draft up.

I don't think an attack on the US will be necessary for His Chimperial Majesty to do this. It would "help" though -- and no, I am not being cold -- they are the ones who are cold hearted about this stuff.

I think you have outlined a plausible scenario -- indeed, I think it is presently unfolding.

But Bush, bold actor that he is, might go jump to the top of the line and bomb without consulting anyone. Remember when he announced the iniation of war with Iraq to congressional leaders? He said, this is what I am doing, and I only told you because legally I have to -- and he left the room immediately and did not take questions or comments. I doubt if he will bother with this step. He'll moved to to "speech to American People announcing commencement of hostilities."

Then again, Israel may attack, and somehow or another, the US will be drawn in to fight alongside our ally.

and 666 and the beast... Revelation... ideology for control of the right. Iran plans the oil traded to be exchanged for euros not dollars...and there you have the basis for the draft.

I din't think they would go into Iran until August but I wouldn't be surprised if they accelerate that.

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The 3,320,500 Kerry supporters that didn't vote!(Kerry got 57,284,783)



Damm - y'all just plain got too much RED down there!

:silly:

elect people that will say no to this guy;we need 150 more people in Congress like Robert Byrd.

Shut the borrowing off that funds this misadventure - that's how we got out of Vietnam - Class of "74 electecd to Congress

I know I'm going waaaaaay out on a limb, but, face it, no WMD, we're still stuck in Iraq, troops being rotated, Social Security "reform" is turning into a fiasco.

And -- WE'VE GOT HOWARD DEAN!!!

You're right -- something IS very different.

Howard Dean is going to have the challenge of his life coming up. Many of us have invested much hope in him, and I pray he will find a way to stop this madness.

The Bush Junta will frame this like a huge commercial and pound the msg. in repeatedly. The majority will go along as will the majority of Dems. I feel that it will be Israel that does the initial attacks on Iran. When Iran retaliates the U.S. will step in. By the time this happens there will be a settlement with the Iraqi Insurgency, which is in progress right now.

We all need to be watching for the "Product Rollout," which should begin any day now.

Bonus Points for bringing up the settlement with Iraqi insurgents. When the Whore Nets break the story of a Dramatic Diplomatic Breakthrough In Iraq, that will mean that Operation Fuck With Iran is underway.

:scared:
dbt

Reality is what mass media creates.

You would have thought that after Tonking Gulf, the NY Times would have a closer look at the WMD tale. But what did they do? Help Bush get out his message. They do lie deliberately. And this is effective.

And see how he tries to weasel his way out of giving a straight answer.

before. But it's a good idea for us to inundate the media with what we know, so someone will breakthrough and stand up for the truth.
Hopefully Dean already knows about all this, although I wonder sometimes, if politicians ever listen. BB might be an exception.
I knew all this was coming on the day we went to Afghanistan, war breeds more war, lies breed more lies etc.

I seem to recall some bs about Iran having nuclear weapons in six months making the "news" recently. An full-scale invasion of Iran to seize (or destroy) nuclear facilities (a well-prepared one, anyway) before cool weather in the late fall (or even later) would seem unlikely. So "strikes" would seem an obvious choice, and within six months would seem a reasonable timeframe (of course this also includes "tomorrow").

As for the Iraqi elections, there was a dramatic swing in the percentage of votes in the later counting -- away from that ticket "blessed" by al Sistani. At one time this ticket was pressing the 2/3 majority that would have let them do basically whatever they wanted (with the very limited powers that are up-for-grabs -- but this does include writing the new constitution, as I understand it). Then it dropped to right around half -- giving the Kurds (our "allies" over there -- if we have any -- and who have made a political alliance with our puppets (their ticket), I believe) something approaching a "veto". Now, I don't know what the deal is, but the Kurds, at least, are certainly to be congratulated for their "get-out-the-vote" efforts.

The neocons are, however, trying to be a little craftier. They are throwing more possibilities out there -- and more disinformation too.

So I don't know, but I do know that the neocons have, in practise, zero scruples. Zero.

Oh, and the availability of useful, "hard" information (on many subjects of interest) is currently approaching zero.

but they aren't going to want to roll out a new "product" any later than August :puke:

even though it's an "off" year.

But with little or no hard information, a literal sea of propaganda, disinformation, etc, surrounding us, it becomes largely a form of entertainment to try to sort it all out.

The crazies would like to do something as regards Iran, Syria, etc, etc. To what degree they will succeed in doing what they want still remains to be seen.

But it is certain that little good will come of anything that these crazies manage to do (when judged from the effected "ground"). You really do need to have some grasp on reality in order to effectively deal with it. Too bad for all of us, that "political reality" is largely a manufactured "reality" -- and has little or nothing to do with the greater real-world reality. (And it is even worse that the one thing that the neocons have made it a point to "master" is "political reality". But then, you (must) see, they are creatures of exactly that -- manipulating "political reality" (in part, and at its core, what goes on in people's heads) for their own "creature comforts". And one can well imagine what sort of creatures they must be, just based on this. -- amoral hate-mongers just for a start. {Hate comes easily to people -- it's related to fear and to self-gratification.})

But worrying about it does little good. And while I can't necessarily recommend being particularly hopeful about the future, do realize that some people (who do have some substantial personal power to effect things) are working to mitigate the disaster.

And, of course, one must also do what one can. But that goes without saying. A "soldier" must always do what needs to be done, such as he can -- just as he must always press forward to take the place of one of his fallen brothers. It's his duty.

and sometimes the only soldier you can be is a hard-truth soldier

it is a very grim perspective that provides the most effective basis from which to deal effectively with reality. (And sometimes even to deal with reality at all (effectively), such a perspective is necessary.)

But one can "see" with the "eyes" of many perspectives, and it is often wise to choose a perspective that will work -- and that is not too jarring to one's fellows. Because at some point one's fellows might not be able to deal with it (some grim perspective) -- and then failure is certain. And there is always the chance that something like this can take on a life of its own -- and go somewhere entirely unwanted and unintended -- and that could be horrific.

But, yes, on the "battlefield", with death and dying, loss and suffering all around one, one quite naturally comes to the pass: "We have to knock out those guns -- at any cost -- otherwise they'll kill all of us."

It is a hard moment, and it takes hard, grimly realistic men.

And I honor them for it. -- Honor, not of the sort that is chased after and never-ever overtaken (because true honor can never be won by chasing after it), but honor of the sort that is earned for rising to do what needs to be done... And it is among the rarest of things in normal life.

applies to the Iraqis as well: "We have to knock out those Americans-- at any cost -- otherwise they'll kill all of us."

:evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown:

the "insurgents" (largely) are beating their heads against the wall. Sure, they might succeed in helping to persuade us to leave -- but what then? There is no going back in time, and they simply do not have the numbers to impose their will on the majority. (And if you are not effective, then I dispute using the word "soldier" to describe yourself.)

For their own interests, they would be better off stopping the fighting and cutting the best possible deal before it is simply too late. (The Kurds alone do not have the numbers to block any element of the constitution, as I understand it.) And with Sunni Arab cooperation in writing the constitution (regardless of their actual representation), then, after it takes effect, the Kurds won't have the numbers to ignore it.

And with the fighting stopped, much greater (effective) pressure can be put on us to withdraw. -- With no need to protect them from the insurgents, the Shia majority will probably easily be persuaded to want us out, like immediately.

Of course, there is the matter of our real intentions.

And one must consider that I think that the most likely outcome of attempting to set up some rump Sunni Arab state (if such a thing has even a chance of getting a big enough piece of the oil territory to be viable) is a Syrian or Turkish "protectorate" (once we have pulled out -- and probably accompanied by some Iranian "protectorate" in greater Iraq ).

(Answer to Message 4 and not the Original Message)

It is "YOU" that has to do IT!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
http://jmatthan.blogspot.com

what I thought. Why are we thinking someone else is going to do this? - Nothing against HD, who I am happy we do have as head of Democratic party.

Have they yet? No friends. We have only ourselves. When we show we've got the balls, and the spine, then MAYBE some of the Democratic leaders will step up. But not until.

We better get our heads out of our arses and start countering this now. Let everyone we know, that we know -- SAY IT LOUDLY.

And somewhere someone mentioned a million man march. I think it's 'bout time we did that. Got our bodies on the move en masse. How about as a "welcome home from Europe Georgie" present?

But you have to ask exactly what event will the Neo-Cons engineer to get American public opinion on their side.

After all, they need a real good reason to institute a national draft.

might be in the works. If only someone in the know would come forward and leak what it is our government is planning. They could do a deep throat to a British or Canadian news journal.

Notice how Bush keeps changing explanation as to why Iraq keeps fighting.

We're on #5 -- violence would cease after elections. Well, no. So NOW what they will float is that it is not only foreign fighters, but foreign INFLUENCE, i.e. state sponsors of terrorism. So in we go again.

Iran will be seen as a "regional" threat to its "neighbors", and of course a potential threat to the US. With Syria "posed to strike Israel" as well (through Lebanon), they will be taken out as well.

It will get started this year, big time.

It has the potential to get very big indeed. They're riding the tiger. They are utterly reckless and ideologically insane.

Islamic coalition might arise out of this? But isn't this going to bring on the Rupture? God we have to make this idiot resign before then.

And will we be surprised when the rest of the civilized world recoils from the US even more strongly than before?

Bush in in Europe, having sent Condi, to prepare them to accept this, or else....

As the war is being waged so strategically badly, and our MARINES (for heaven sakes!) are stuck in the Mother of All Turkey Shoots, as the conflict goes on, it WILL turn into a genocide. People across the Arab world believe that this is what they are witnessing, and yes, there will be widespread resistance. When Bush attacked Iraq for no good reason, he forever threw away our Ace Card -- Violence if conditions weren't met. Iraq was in compliance, and was attacked anyway -- removing forever incentives to cooperate with the United States. Like anyone who faces attack from an overwhelming foe, the idea will be, we might not win, but let's kill as many of them as we can before we ourselves are killed. Attacking Iraq was a HUGE blunder, I don't think it is comprehended as yet....

As far as the Rapture -- while those of us who are reality-based can view these things operationally and judge if they make sense strategicallty and are executed skillfully -- those who believe it is the End Times see that ever-accelerating chaos is just further evidence that the end is drawing near, so they don't hold Bush accountable to the same rational evidence as we do. It is scary. We have a 21st century Army of unthinkable destructive power, with a leader with a medieval world view.

People are hoping things CAN'T get as bad as it seems. I disagree. I believe there is potential for a horrific world conflict -- and Bush is leading us right into it.

IndependentChristian remarked that a coming attack on the US will be used as the emergency to call up a draft and widen the war.

Will it be engineered from within, or are these incidious/incompetent bastards going to let one happen again? Who's to say little Condi has any more sense about how to interpret ANY intelligence since she messed up in 2001 in such a big way?

Personally, I think Bush is so cocky at this point he will move without seeking "confirmation". Especially alarming since the purge of the CIA and other intelligence agencies of all but Bush loyalists, following, of course, the purge in the Pentagon and the further promotion of the NeoCons. There will be no "alternative views" presented; there will be NO staying hand on Bush taking ANY action since Powell is gone. Not even strategically, because these folk are not reality based; indeed, they seem incapable of perceiving their catastrophic misjudgements.

I have been alarmed at the great speed in which all of this is unfolding. I thought I was getting hysterical, because I was predicting action by summer, but Ritter, who we know to be reliable, has good reason and has seen evidence that this very early timetable is being carried out.

and yet, of course I do.

This president is the one on a suicide mission, and he wants to take the planet down with him. Bin Laden can't hold a candle to this.

No person, who isn't following this carefully, believes, or wants to believe it is going to happen. It's just TOO BIG. It will be upon us before most people realize what is happening. And then it will be too late.

Bush always acts boldly. To confound people, and keep them off balance. We can no sooner react to one act of madness than we have another one.

Bin Laden is dragging him into this. He has said as much. It will be a world war as no one has seen before. It will more than live up to its two predecessors in horror. Bush will get us into it, but, mark my words, he will not be able to get us out of it.

that it would likely not end IN OUR LIFETIMES!!!!

that's a lot more than just Iraq!!! What will they do NEXT to keep the public in support of him?

A nuclear bomb. I assumed that bomb would go off here in the good ol' USA but a poster here said something that should have been obvious to me. The bomb will go off in Iraq. That way, only a few thousand Americans are killed, many Iraqis are killed (that doesn't matter to the neocons or many Americans) and the US gets the maximum fear factor going here, because nuclear detonations have sphincter appeal, no matter where they go off. Boom, we are in Iran, we are drafting our kids to go get the boogieman. And the Chimperor is still naked but sitting pretty.

--one of the bluer American coastal cities.

There's another message board out there that is cheering this action right now.

It's odd, I think we're taught to believe we should try to seek peace, but the hard core Bushistas WANT war. The NeoCons WANT war. In fact, they want a big one. They have wanted an "all-outer" for decades. And now we are, in my view, and that of others, surely on the brink of conflict on an unthinkable scale. I hope they're happy. I hope everyone who has to send a loved one knows how happy they have made these Americans.

They already have #1 Saudi in their hip pocket.

They took over and now get #2 Iraq's oil for free.

Then they get to steal or at least control of with a puppet dictator in the #3 in world oil riches.

Who has the 4th largest oil riches in the world??

It isn't North Korea, who already has nuclear bombs that can make it over here to Seattle. That's why scant attention is paid to them.

Greatest Oil Reserves by Country
(billion barrels):
1. Saudi Arabia 261.7
2. Iraq 115.0
3. Iran 100.1
4. Kuwait 98.9
5. United Arab Emirates 63.0
6. Russia 58.8
7. Venezuela 53.1
8. Nigeria 32.0
9. Libya 30.0
10. China 23.7

U.A.E. - anyone know about what's going on there? Anything?

but Russia and Venuzuela have been gettign chummy, and the democratically-elected Chavez has been effectively turned into a "Saddam" by the America press

on to anyone you want to!
The more people know, the better our chances to stop this madness!
Here's what I said:

Dear Mr. Conyers,

You have shown great courage in the past, which is why I'm forwarding this information.
It concerns the future of our country and I believe the future of the world.
When new scandals break out every day and the media chooses to ignore the terrible misdeeds of the administration, we the people must act.
I hope you will read this information and pass it on to your colleagues.
Sincerely

About the edidt:I didn't mean to imply that I sent my personal link, so I added "Your" to the subject.

First we are shown satelite photos of a building that intelligence says is an Iranian nuclear weapon.

Since we don't have the troops and no draft yet in place we launch only targeted strikes. We are told these strikes are only to take out the "missles" and their nuclear facilities.

But in reality we also hit some civilian areas in Iran hoping to enrage them. If successful the Iranians begin mobilizing toward their Iraqi border. This can be presented to US citizens as provocation and will be an excuse for immediately instating the draft and further bombing of Iran and their now moving columns.

Without enough troops in the area to invade outright, having Iran move towards us while we dig in defensive positions would be exactly the type of battle we would want. With our technology we can easily take out troops and vehicles when they are on the move. To whatever extent the Iranians were actually successful in reaching and attacking American troops in Iraq, it would just be used to stir up even greater ferver for war back home.

All we would have to do would be for our existing troops to hold off an Iranian invasion until reinforcements arrive at which time the outright invasion of Iran could begin.

Oh and if for some reason our troops in Iraq can't hold out, then Georgy will just have to go nucular in order to save them, and he'd be hailed as a hero for doing so.

Russia has sold Iran the S-300PMU, it's a handy little surface-to-air missile that will shoot our planes right out of the sky. They also have the Shahab-3 which is a surface to surface missile with an 800 mile range. Then there is the Sunburn they are supposed to have. That one is one mega bad boy. It's 750 pound warhead of high explosives that will destroy our ships in the gulf. They also have a couple of different SCUDS and probably more that I've forgotten.

This isn't some weak country like Iraq. They have allies and money and have been stocking up on toys to bomb back if we attack them. Not that I think that will keep Bush from doing it, I'm just pointing out how foolish the idea is.

Edit: spelling

I meant to point that out, too!

but that's history, the one subject we don't teach worth shit in school, or talk about on tv, so nobody will care :evilfrown:

when Saddam attacked Iran, it was good... in 2002, when we looked back on him attacking Iran, it was an example of how evil and un-predictable he was :crazy:

However, I doubt that missle would be 100% effective and I am sure we have some strategies worked out to counter those threats. And if they do take some of our planes out that just works all the better for enraging the American public.

I understand Iran is not as weak as Iraq, and I think they will fight even more fanatically, but I still have trouble conceiving of them being able to overcome our technological advantage.

As for us being technological advantaged, remember that China has been selling Iran technology. We're overstepping on this one. And yes, we will get our asses handed to us on a plate before all is said and done. However, we'll get to fight with BOTH Syria and Iran so, Bush will be happy.

There is no viable way to "pull this off" without bombing the entire country into a piece of glass.

would be that their troops will be people fighting to defend their land, their nation, their homes, their families, their culture, their religion, their livelihoods, even their race itself

vs our troops, who enlisted so they could get worthless job-training, and were sent to fight against their will

we would have to nuke the entire mid-east to stop them.

I wouldn't be surprised, either, waste the region and have U.S. soldiers working the oil-pumps in irradiated deserts :grr:

The ones we have no defenses against.

Gmaki, man, don't be so detailed. They could be lurking here browsing for ideas. And you'd be handing them one on a silver platter.

attacking Iran was one of the things Bush used as an example of how evil Saddam was, and how imperitive it was that we move in immediately and take him out

welcome to the rabbit-hole

by Seymour Hersch. Read it here:

http://www.aawfrance.net/Jan-Feb%202005/The%20Coming%20Wars.htm

the country. Has anyone seen border movement posted?

They'll be prepared for us.

It will be a mess for sure.

gona fly.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but he's not exactly close to this administration.

on edit I just had to read down a little further. This makes the June date very likely. Just as Saddam did with changing from the dollar to the Euro, when Iran does it it's going to spell war.


from the original blog:



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I said that the U.S. was going to attack in June. I had read where Iran is going to change the currency to the Euro, in June. I can't remember is it's just for the oil or the whole country.
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Iran starts its regional Oil trading exchange in june.

In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market

Iran: Next Target of US Military Aggression

The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.

The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target:

The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker

Iran to take control of world's oil trade in 2005

Iran is to launch an oil trading market for Middle East and Opec producers that could threaten the supremacy of London's International Petroleum Exchange.

A contract to design and establish a new platform for crude, natural gas and petrochemical trades is expected to be signed with an international consortium within days.

Top oil producing countries are determined to seize more control of trading after being advised that existing markets such as the IPE and Nymex in New York are not working in their favour.

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Democracy is that form of government which a free people elect freely, as Iran did some 50 years ago.
Edited by ampikle on 02/20/05 07:27 PM.

this would give them time before june. military enrollment way down. what say you. they would have to start it soon, almost march