For a man in a dress, he sure is uptight about sexuality!

Modem Butterfly

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Wed Feb-23-05 09:33 AM
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For a man in a dress, he sure is uptight about sexuality!

The Pope is a human being, like anyone else, and is subject to frailties and faulty logic. But proclaiming that equality in marriage is evil is just plain mean-spirited and petty.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/23/pope.book.reut/index.html

In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.

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No Exit

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Wed Feb-23-05 09:37 AM
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1. "He no play-a the game, he no make-a the rules" n/t

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displacedtexan

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Wed Feb-23-05 09:40 AM
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2. Gay couples can't reproduce future tithers.

If the church = God, God's message can't be spread without a constantly growing source of funding.

More and more children = increased funding.

Just my observation.

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vi5

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Wed Feb-23-05 09:40 AM
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3. If only he had been so vehement in his war opposition...

as he is in his opposition to two people loving each other as human beings.

Now the "catholic bashing" accusations should start arriving any second now.

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Modem Butterfly

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Wed Feb-23-05 09:44 AM
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4. I think most folks can separate the Pope from Catholics in general

Most, but not all.

The Pope lives in a rarified world in Vatican City. Catholics have to live in the real world.

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Beer Snob-50

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Wed Feb-23-05 09:45 AM
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5. there is a separation between church and state

which allows the state not to promote religion, and religion not to promote the state. the pope speaks for the roman catholic faith and right now, that religion says that gay marriage is wrong (i disagree with that statement by the pope but this is not for that). the state must do what is right for the citizens of the state and as such must okay gay marriages.

i am rambling but the gist of the whole thing, we shouldn't blast the pope, bob jone, jerry falwell for promoting their faith as long as their faith doesn't break that church/state barrier.

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vi5

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Wed Feb-23-05 09:55 AM
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6. But each and every one lobbies politicians...

...to advance their religious agenda. Therefore it is perfectly acceptable to call them to task for that.

If the catholic church doesn't want to marry gays then they don't have to. Their church, their rules. But the minute they exit that sphere and enter into the public arena, it does become my place to complain.

I view the church in the same way that I view the NRA or any other group which actively lobbies politicians and uses their money/power to fight on the opposite side of an issue that I feel strongly about. If they don't want to take heat for that then they shouldn't get involved in the political/public realm on these issues.

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Wed Feb-23-05 10:01 AM
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7. Your pope, unfortunately, disagrees

Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 10:02 AM by Zenlitened

The pope is addressing all people, catholic or not, imploring them to join him in his persecution of gays and lesbians.

And he has outlined a fairly specific strategy for making his views the law of the land in countries around the world:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Since this question relates to the natural moral law, the arguments that follow are addressed not only to those who believe in Christ, but to all persons committed to promoting and defending the common good of society.

... Legal recognition of homosexual unions or placing them on the same level as marriage would mean not only the approval of deviant behaviour, with the consequence of making it a model in present-day society, but would also obscure basic values which belong to the common inheritance of humanity.

When legislation in favour of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic law-maker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favour of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral.

When legislation in favour of the recognition of homosexual unions is already in force, the Catholic politician must oppose it in the ways that are possible for him and make his opposition known...

Those who would move from tolerance to the legitimization of specific rights for cohabiting homosexual persons need to be reminded that the approval or legalization of evil is something far different from the toleration of evil.

We should indeed criticize the pope, any anyone else preaching hate in the name of religion.

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TlalocW

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Wed Feb-23-05 10:13 AM
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8. No weird sex!

Now kiss my ring!
- The Pope

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tabasco

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Wed Feb-23-05 10:23 AM
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9. It's sad that a cult leader has so much influence in the world.

An old, well-established, and vastly wealthy cult, but a cult nonetheless.

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Beer Snob-50

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Wed Feb-23-05 12:36 PM
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11. geez!!

a cult?????? i think you will find the a good number of catholics do disagree with many of the policies of the catholic church but also find many things they like about it!

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Orsino

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Wed Feb-23-05 10:30 AM
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10. That's the Pope...

...building a bridge to the third century.

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