Why do so many democrats and hispanics hate illegal immigrants?

edited to add: i've been accused of posting this as race-bait and flame-bait. that is not my intention.

the thread title was inspired by the thread referenced below, which sought to chalk up opposition to illegal immigration as a right wing fetish, and one driven by hate.

or, the absurdity of the thread "Why do so many on the right hate illegal immigrants?"

while it might be nice to use the right as a punching bag on this issue, it also might be worth noting that such tunnel vision ignores that illegal immigration is not a left/right issue. it's not even a "white/brown" issue.

note that the following polls span from the clinton to bush eras.


• 77% of respondents in a CNN poll opposed granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. (CNN, July 2001)

• 41% of Republicans and 45% of Democrats support stopping legal immigration altogether. (Gallup poll, October 2000)

• A Roper poll in January 1996 found that 83% of Americans favor a lower immigration level. 70% favor restricting immigration to less than 300,000 new immigrants a year (including 70% of Republicans, 73% of African-Americans, and 52% of Hispanics). Most want even larger cuts: 54% favor an immigration level of below 100,000 a year. 20% support no immigration at all.

• The same Roper poll found that a large majority (75%) supports strong laws to identify and deport illegal immigrants. Only 10% disagree with strict laws against the removal of illegal immigrants. The strongest supporters of tough measures against illegal immigrants are self-styled political moderates (78%), strongly religious (76%), whites (77%), Protestants (82%), and Midwesterners (85%). 76% of Democrats, 76% of Republicans, 78% of self-described middle-of-the-roaders, and 60% of Hispanics (English-speaking) also support tough laws against illegal immigrants.

• 52% of all Americans favor a five-year ban on all legal and illegal immigration to the U.S., including 54% of all Republicans and 48% of all Democrats. (Wall St. Journal/NBC, March 1996)

• 63% of Americans think immigration levels are too high, including 66% of Republicans and 60% of Democrats. (CBS News/New York Times, September 1995)

• 89% of Hispanic Americans strongly support an immediate moratorium on immigration. 74% feel fewer immigrants should be allowed and stronger restrictions should be enforced. (Hispanic USA Research Group, June 1993)

• 43% of Hispanics nationwide think the government is not doing enough to stop illegal immigration. The more established Hispanics are in the United States, the more likely they are to think the government is not doing enough to curb illegal immigration. 37% of foreign-born Hispanics believe not enough is being done; that belief increases to 45% of first-generation Hispanics and half of second-generation Hispanics. (San Jose Mercury News, October 2000)

• 50% of California voters oppose granting amnesty to illegal immigrants, versus 34% who favor it. (Zogby, April 2001)


*source: http://www.npg.org/factsheets/imm_americans_spoken.html

on illegal immigration?

i'm against it.

Divisiveness, distraction from more important topics.

very soon. As soon as the VAT tax is implemented. In Utopia Bushworld ... YOUR ILLEGAL DOMESTIC WORKER PAYS TAXES & YOUR RICH ASS DOES NOT!!!

the anger should be placed with the employers though. but it's easier to blame the less powerful.

BTW - your information doesn't show evidence of anyone "hating" anyone else.

"hate" illegal immgigrants.

That's why.

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Mexifornia: http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_2_do_we_want.html
Thousands arrive illegally from Mexico into California each year—and the state is now home to fully 40 percent of America’s immigrants, legal and illegal. They come in such numbers because a tacit alliance of Right and Left has created an open-borders policy, aimed at keeping wage labor cheap and social problems ever fresh, so that the ministrations of Chicano studies professors, La Raza activists, and all the other self-appointed defenders of group causes will never be unneeded. ....

And while the Democrats think the illegals will eventually turn into liberal voters, the actual Hispanic vote so far remains just a small fraction of the eligible Mexican-American pool: of the 14,173 residents of the central California town of Hanford who identified themselves as Latino (34 percent of the town’s population), for example, only 770 are registered to vote.

My sleepy hometown of Selma, California, is in the dead center of all this. ....It is a schizophrenic existence, living at illegal immigration’s intersection. Each week I pick up trash, dirty diapers, even sofas and old beds dumped in our orchard by illegal aliens—only to call a Mexican-American sheriff who empathizes when I show him the evidence of Spanish names and addresses on bills and letters scattered among the trash. ....

Yet I also walk through vineyards at 7 AM in the fog and see whole families from Mexico, hard at work in the cold—while the native-born unemployed of all races will not—and cannot—prune a single vine. By natural selection, we are getting some of the most intelligent and industrious people in the world, people who have the courage to cross the border, the tenacity to stay—and, if not assimilated, the potential to cost the state far, far more than they can contribute. ....

Our elites do not understand just how rare consensual government is in the history of civilization, and therefore they wrongly think that they can instill confidence by praising the other, less successful, cultures that aliens are escaping from rather than explaining the dynamism and morality of the civilization that they have voted for with their feet. ....
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The racists:
from this website: http://www.bustamanteno.com/Lawlessness.html comes this:

How in the world, can ANYONE tell whos a legal , and whos an illegal immigrant?

In my little agicultural town, there are plenty of 2nd generation mexican descendants who speak english with strong accent. These people were born here.

My dad is an immigrant with a Swedish accent. No one seems to be bothered by that.
An immigrant I know with an Irish accent gets no such grief. Likewise a NewZealander I work with.

Could it be about skin tone?

2001 is the newest.
As a California resident, I can tell you the economy of this state would collapse without illegal immigrants to work the farms. Sad, but true fact. No one else is going to work under those conditions, and for the low pay, no benefits.

My Love is an Immigrant, she is also a Muslim. This stuff such as "Get the Immigrants" and "Get the Muslims", it's starting to scare me on a personal level.

It's also beginning to scare me as it is for most of us who have loved ones who are "brown skinned" (anyone who is non-white). Hopefully, people without non white loved ones are noticing it too.

I'm seeing as much blatant racism and violent attitudes towards non-whites as I did in the early 70s. The "Christian" KKK is publicly recruiting and moving into the mainstream. Hatred towards foreigners is on the rise.

It's only going to get worse too. As people feel more threatened economically, they become more competitive. This stress feeds xenophobic and racist hatred.

When you think about it, Bush's "Christian" patriarchial worldview is essentially the same as the "Christian" KKK worldview.

Nobody has sympathy for "criminals."

There has been a totally piss-poor job of framing this issue by those who support illegal immigrants. The noble ideals of universal human rights must always be invoked, but they are never.

And it is extremely easy to invoke the idea that there are citizens who lack the rights that supporters want to give to illegals. I'm not saying this idea is correct, but it resonates very strongly. Humans are tribal, exceptionalism among "us" runs like wildfire through our ranks.

The idea of rights for illegal immigrants will never be accepted until people see themselves as citizens of the world first and citizens of their country second. There is a long, long way to go on this issue. I would even say that pushing it now hurts the greater progressive cause, but then again extremism seems to work pretty well at getting people elected.

Geesus....I wonder if that would have anything to do with the fact that my son CAN'T FIND A PHUCKING JOB???????

The jobs I'm interested in seem to be filled with non-immigrant white men.
Go figure.

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We know where the Repuke party stands on civil rights and minority issues. They are not the party that respects minorities, including Hispanics.

You will be hard pressed to find people here that believe that the Democratic Party is the racist party.

that the democrats are racists. i'm suggesting that a LOT of people (from all races and political persuasions) are against illegal immigration, and blaming it all on the boogey man doesn't advance the debate.

Race baiting and flame baiting is right. That's all this thread was intended to be. It would have been better suited to have been posted over at the FRetard site.

i dont mind illegal immigrants having ways of becoming legal.

i dont care if nation becomes 70 percent mexican, i am not holding on to white majority. dont care. the sooner diversity finishes up, the sooner we can stop pointing finger at another

i do want them legal. i do want them paying the taxes too just as they are using the services. if they are going to use the tax payer dollar, i want them to be investing here too. i want them to get legal pay. i want them to have to have insurance, along with me. i want them to be able to have drivers liscence. i wnat the kids in school....ect

actually not a huge issue for me.

but even with my not researched opinion, i dont hate illegals, i dont even dislike them

Very little illegal immigration in my area, so what do I know, but my 2 cents...

I think a previous poster was right to point out the bad vibes associated with the word illegal. Yes, our economy NEEDS illegal immigrant labor to stay afloat. But how many rights are we willing to grant someone who is in the country illegally? Only the bare minimum.

I think it would make sense to tighten up border security, while making it easier for someone to immigrate or obtain work VISAS legally. After all, that makes a lot more sense to me than invading non-threatening foreign countries in the name of national security (as would increasing security at nuclear plants, etc, but I digress). And this is partially a security issue.

As for legal immigration, I'm all for it. (Was the stat you quoted abt Dems and Repugs wanting to stop LEGAL immigration correct?!?) I think it's disappointing that we haven't been drawing as many foreign students and professionals in recent years as we used to. Diversity of thought and background and even physical appearance is one of the qualities I love most about this country.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that any discussion of this matter should start with the following point of unity, which both sides can agree on (other than the uber elite who don't care.)

"Illegal immigrants are deprived the full gamut of rights that an American citizen has. That's just a fact. Whether you think they should be kicked out of the country, or whether you think they should stay, having them in the country as an underclass only serves to benefit those who would reap profits from exploiting an underclass. American ideals cannot tolerate a legally institutionalised caste system."

Then take it from there.

It is not fair for some to go through the proper channels and others to come in here illegally. It is illegal and if they want to come to this country, then go by the laws. Other nationalities do it.
Try and go to another country without paperwork in order and see how long one gets to stay..and what kind of services are rendered to them.
it won't happen.

Personally, I'm in the "kick them out" camp myself. So you are reading more into what I posted than is in fact there. Go back and read it again.

Although the haters are making inroads with those concerned with economics since when times get hard, everybody needs a scapegoat.

It's easy to turn populations against one another when times are tough, but frankly, in 86 there were laws that created sanctions against employers who depended on illegal immigration fr cheap labor.

TO date, very little has been done to enforce those sanctions.

When industry has no incentive to change their behavior, they don't.

If all illegal immigrants were, in fact, deported tomorrow..there is no doubt in my mind entire sectors of our economy would collapse.

...until they have to pay minimum wage for the shit jobs they don't want to do.

The bosses and capitalists who exploit the "illegals" have the power and wealth to crush those who think humanity should come before profits.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050211-124742-5593r.htm
Feb 11
The House yesterday passed a bill to clamp down on illegal aliens' access to driver's licenses and judges' ability to deny asylum, after adding a provision to make sure that more of the illegal aliens ordered to be deported actually are sent home.

It marks the first foray into immigration issues for the new Congress, and the crackdown drew bipartisan support, passing 261-161, with 42 Democrats joining 219 Republicans in favor of it. Eight Republicans voted with 152 Democrats and the chamber's lone independent against it.

The bill, called the Real ID Act, would prevent the federal government from accepting state-issued identifications if the state makes them available to illegal aliens. About a dozen states allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses, and although the bill does not force them to change, it creates a strong incentive to do so. The bill also limits some asylum claims and gives judges more leeway to deny others. It also removes the environmental block that is preventing completion of a 14-mile section of U.S.-Mexico border fence near San Diego.

But several Democrats said the system of bonds and bondsmen reminded them of the language in the fugitive slave laws, which allowed agents to recover slaves who had escaped to northern states.
"The truly frightening part about this legislation is it smacks of that," said Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat. Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the top Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee, said the provision will "endanger civil rights and create fear in the immigrant community."

If this only applies to "illegals?" Honest question.

I think you're wrong. I think the other thread is correct.

Not that my experience is definitive, but where I get to sample anything like popular opinion, the people who have a problem with immigrants lean distinctly Repuke. It's not that they have a problem with immigrants, or immigration per se, but they have a huge problem with having to deal with somebody whose command of English isn't up to their standard: they really find this unacceptable, on some deep level. They think it's up to the government to prevent their ever having to make their wishes clear to somebody who can't interpret their language. I can't imagine why they feel so strongly about this, and why it overrides such issues as having a foreign policy that won't get us killed, but that's how they feel.

Remember, we're not talking about justice here, we're talking about the attitudes of our (benighted) fellow citizens.

You must have ORDER and everyone must come through legally. My grandparents came through legally and I expect that anyone who wants to be a citizen to come through legally too. There is NOTHING radical about this policy.

NOT! :eyes:

"Our children's minds are being attacked daily in all spheres of their innocent life by anti-White and anti-Christian propaganda. By the time they reach adult hood they are an obedient slave to the ideas of *race mixing, globalism, homosexuality, abortion, and dozens of Marxist based, liberal schemes meant to artificially lift non-whites to a higher level of civilization - a civilization they condemn on one hand and then beg to be a part of the next - all of this at the expense and destruction of White Christians. Fortunate we are for those have been able to see past the propaganda and retain a sense of pride in their race and faith. To be certain, there are millions of White Christians in America who have the same pride and share our same beliefs and love for White Christian civilization. " http://www.kkk.bz/index1.htm

*Repukes
Pro "Christian"
Anti Gay
Anti Choice
Anti Minority
Anti Affirmative Action
Anti Liberals

This is flamebait.