Gay Marriage is Evil says the Catholic Pope.

What are Catholics thinking about that?

a few other churches other than Catholic.

stranglehold on evil and lying.

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How do ya like that pipe shoved down your damned throat, Mr. pope?

Everything I have read points to it being filtered through the Cardnials.

The notes were taken years ago before this was a "major issue". The Pope has clearly been in rough health for quite a while. I would say some Cardnials with other agendas edited and spun parts before publication.

or at least performed by a priest is evil. Of course they throw many obstacles in your way to the altar as well unless you are rich and prominent, then it gets easier. For instance, you can't marry a divorced person without special circumstances and you can't marry a non-Catholic unless he agrees to all kinds of pre-marriage contractual obligations and so on. So it isn't just gay marriage.

My marriage was just as condemned by the Church because I married a divorced Catholic who had been married in the Church and I too was a Catholic. A priest told us so. However, we could return to the sacraments he said if we stopped having relations. Yeah, sure!

I'm certain the Church has lost a lot of members with that type of medieval thinking, not to mention the whole family planning thing.

Where in the Bible (the supposed basis for all this) does it state that homosexuality is alright?

Not arguing the rightness or wrongness of being gay here, just trying to lay down the groundwork as to where the beliefs stem from.

really think it would stand scrutiny from an unbiased jury. A lot of Catholicism is based on "tradition" and many of the sexual mores and edicts about marriage and domesticity come from that, not the Bible. In the early days of Christianity marriages were civil. The Church didn't worry that much about them until later centuries. They didn't bothered their asses much about homosexuality or abortion and birth control for that matter either until the later Middle Ages.

The Bible inconstistent on homosexuality, then?

affront to God anywhere. Isn't this what the Bible is about giving the Divine it's due? Even the Sodom and Gommorrah thing can be read many ways. Also, if the Bible is to be read literally, how about all that stuff in Leviticus? Are you willing to follow it all to the letter?

On edit. What is your point anyway? I was talking about Catholic tradition not the Bible, a bibliography of a lot of stories that chronicles a certain culture of people.

It is inconsistent in that it only refers to male homosexuality and not female homosexuality. If it is a "sin" for one group, it would stand to reason it should be for the other. However, the Bible really never deals with homosexuality per se, as much as it deals with ritualized prostitution and rape. Also, seems the Bible is pretty inconsistent on marriage in general...one man, one woman....but turns around and talks about the number of people who had concubines, multiple wifes, etc. That is not very consistent.

And it would be comical if demonizing marginalized populations didn't lead to social violence.

It's sickening how we are seeing a huge resurgence of hate attitudes and vicious myths being perpetuated about Gays and minorities.

I'm afraid we are going to see hate crime activity increase.

A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)


B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)


C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)

D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)

E. Since marriage is for life, neither this constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)

F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe. (Gen. 38:6- 10; Deut 25:5-10)

Do millions of people beleive the crap above?

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'Nuff Said

Persecution of other religions, crusades, the inquisition, dispensations for sale, intolerance, oppression of science, etc, etc, Oh, and yes, the whole priest molestation thing. I would hold more credence with the leader of the mafia than with the leader of the Catholic church. And for catholics bent out of shape by the negative responses to this tread, consider this, the catholic church locked up Galileo for suggesting that the earth orbits the sun, despite sound scientific reasoning. I am sorry, and unrepentant, any organization which holds dogma above reason, is not worth consideration. :evilfrown: