republicans only "support the troops" when the president has an (R)

When the president has a (D), rethugs try to vote against supporting our troops in battle; they say dissent is patriotic; they say one can support the troops AND NOT support the president.

1999:

The atrocities are America's fault.

"Once the bombing commenced, I think then Milosevic unleashed his forces, and then that's when the slaughtering and the massive ethnic cleansing really started," Nickles said at a news conference after appearing on Meet the Press. "The administration's campaign has been a disaster. ... escalated a guerrilla warfare into a real war, and the real losers are the Kosovars and innocent civilians."

On Fox News Sunday, DeLay blamed the ethnic cleansing on U.S. intervention. "Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode," DeLay charged in a House floor speech replayed on Late Edition.

The failure of diplomacy to avert the war is America's fault.

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning," "I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
-Trent Lott, Late Edition

Congress should not support the war.

When asked whether they would authorize Clinton "to use all necessary force to win this war, including ground troops," Lott and Nickles --who had voted a month ago, along with 70 percent of the Senate GOP, not to support the NATO air campaign--said they wouldn't.

We can't win.

"I don't know that Milosevic will ever raise a white flag," warned Nickles. DeLay agreed: "He's stronger in Kosovo now than he was before the bombing. ... The Serbian people are rallying around him like never before. He's much stronger with his allies, Russians and others." Clinton "has no plan for the end" and "recognizes that Milosevic will still be in power," added DeLay. "The bombing was a mistake. ... And this president ought to show some leadership and admit it, and come to some sort of negotiated end."

Don't believe U.S. propaganda.

On Meet the Press, Defense Secretary William Cohen argued that Yugoslavia had underestimated NATO's resolve more than NATO had underestimated Yugoslavia's, and Joint Chiefs vice chairman Gen. Joseph Ralston asserted that Milosevic "had already started his campaign of killing" before NATO intervened. Nickles dismissed both arguments. "This war is not going well," he declared. "I heard Secretary Cohen say, 'Well, Milosevic miscalculated how, you know, steadfast we would be in the bombing campaign.' But frankly ... we grossly miscalculated what Milosevic's response would be." Later, Nickles volunteered, "I would take a little issue with Gen. Ralston said. ... The number of killings prior to the bombing, I think, has been exaggerated." Moreover, given NATO's desperate need to "bring Milosevic to the table," DeLay cautioned, "It is not helpful for the president's spin machine to be out there right now saying that Milosevic is weakening." The truth, said DeLay, is that "nothing has changed."

Give peace a chance.

Cohen said it was "highly unlikely" that Clinton would meet with Milosevic in response to Yugoslavia's release of the three captured American soldiers over the weekend, since the Serbs were continuing their atrocities and weren't offering to meet NATO's conditions. DeLay called this refusal "really disappointing" and a failure of "leadership. ... The president ought to open up negotiations and come to some sort of diplomatic end." Lott implored Clinton to "give peace a chance" and, comparing the war with the recent Colorado high-school shootings, urged him to resolve the Kosovo conflict with "words, not weapons."

We have no choice but to compromise.

Unless Clinton finds "a way to get the bombing stopped" and to "get Milosevic to pull back his troops" voluntarily, NATO faces "a quagmire ... a long, protracted, bloody war," warned Lott. Clinton "only has two choices," said DeLay--to "occupy Yugoslavia and take Milosevic out" or "to negotiate some sort of diplomatic end, diplomatic agreement in order to end this failed policy."

We're eager to compromise.

NATO has insisted all along that Milosevic must allow a well-armed international force in Kosovo to protect the ethnic Albanians. When asked whether "the administration ought to insist" that these requirements "be met" as a condition of negotiation, DeLay twice ducked the question. Nickles advocated "a compromise," and Lott expressed interest in Yugoslavia's proposal for a "lightly armed" U.N. peacekeeping force in Kosovo rather than a fully equipped NATO force. "Surely there's wiggle room," said Lott. "Obviously, don't want them heavily armed, but they've got to be armed sufficiently to protect themselves. ... So, I think something can be worked out."

We'll back off first.

Nickles discounted the administration's demand that Yugoslavia halt its ethnic cleansing in order to halt NATO's bombardment: "Secretary Cohen says, 'Well, Mr. Milosevic has to do all these things, then we'll stop the bombing.' Tim, I strongly believe we need a simultaneous withdrawal of the Serbian aggressive forces, have a stopping of the bombing, and an insertion of international police-keeping force." Lott's formulation put NATO's withdrawal first: "Let's see if we can't find a way to get the bombing stopped, get Milosevic to pull back his troops, find a way to get the Kosovars go back in." And DeLay suggested that the United States should pull out unilaterally: "When Ronald Reagan saw that he had made a mistake putting our soldiers in Lebanon ... he admitted the mistake, and he withdrew from Lebanon."

“The Kosovo operation is different and oxymoronic. It is a ‘peace war’ waged by ‘peace hawks’ pursuing a dovish social agenda. Peace hawks are global idealists and former anti-war activists, including the youthful Bill Clinton.”
-Tom DeLay, Floor Statement, 4/15/99

“Doing good on a worldwide scale appeals to peace hawks, who are motivated by altruism, not patriotism.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement, 4/15/99

“There's no national interest of the United States in Kosovo. It's flawed policy and it was flawed to go in. I think this president is one of the least effective presidents of my life time. He's hollowed out our forces while running round the world with these adventures.”
-Tom DeLay The Guardian, 5/17/99

“American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement on Resolution on Peacekeeping Operations in Kosovo, 3/11/99

“Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly. We must stop giving the appearance that our foreign policy is formulated by the Unabomber.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement on Resolution on Peacekeeping Operations in Kosovo, 3/11/99

“Mr. Chairman, I rise today to voice my complete opposition to sending American troops to Kosovo. There is simply no vision to this mission. There is a six-year trend to send American troops anywhere for any reason, but there are no consistent goals that tie all of these missions together.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement on Resolution on Peacekeeping Operations in Kosovo, 3/11/99

"I rise today to state that no defense funds should be used for ground forces in Kosovo unless authorized by Congress.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement, 4/15/99

“So what they are doing here is they are voting to continue an unplanned war by an administration that is incompetent of carrying it out. I hope my colleagues will vote against this resolution.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement on S. Con. Res. 21, 4/15/99

“It is clear that any deployment to Kosovo will similarly drag on and go enormously over budget.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement, 4/28/99

“When asked the question, ‘what if he does not come to the table,’ they said, ‘well, we will go to Phase 2, and Phase 2 is that we will bomb for a few more days. Then he will be going to the table, by crackie.’ And when we asked, ‘Then, what?’ then they said, ‘well, we will bomb for another week and that will force him to come to the table and this will be all over with.’ And then when we asked, ‘Then, what?’ there was silence. This administration started a war without a plan farther along than two weeks.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement, 4/28/99

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now.The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement, 4/28/99

“Instead of sending in ground troops, we should pull out the forces we now have in the region. Mr. Speaker, I do not think we should send ground troops to Kosovo and I do not think we should be bombing in the Balkans, and I do not think that NATO should be destroyed by changing its mission into a humanitarian invasion force.”
-Tom DeLay Floor Statement, 4/28/99

“I believe the President has made a grave mistake. He has put Americans in danger without clearly articulating what national security interest requiring the use of United States forces is at stake in Bosnia.”
-Tom DeLay, Floor Statement, 11/17/95

“It’s very simple. The president is not supported by the House, and the military is supported by the House.”
-Tom DeLay As quoted in USA Today, regarding Floor votes on Kosovo, 4/30/99


Other hypocritical lying 2-faced rightwingnut bastards when the President happens to have a (D):

“Mr. Speaker, in my opinion, this is the most inept foreign policy in the history of the United States. The Pentagon told the President not to bomb, that it would only exacerbate the problems. We have forced over 1 million refugees. 2,012 were killed in Kosovo prior to the bombing. NATO has killed more Albanians than the Serbs did in an entire year, and yet we have exacerbated those problems.”
-Rep. Cunningham, Floor statement, 4/28/99

“Mr. Speaker, this evening the House had an emotionally charged debate about our policy in Kosovo, and contrary to remarks made after the vote, this was not a vote against the troops. This was a vote against the policy of this administration. All of us support the troops and the young men and women who are doing their duty.”
-Rep. Ed Whitfield, Statement, 4/28/99

"US troops will be deployed in Bosnia no matter what the Congress does. Congress should support the troops without endorsing the president's policy."
-Sen. Arlen Specter, CNN, 12/14/95

“Even though, as Commander in Chief, the President has the constitutional authority to commit United State soldiers to Bosnia, I cannot support a plan that does not minimize the risks to, and maximize the security of, our troops, especially a deployment that is not vital to our national security interest.”
- Rep. Sam Brownback, Floor Statement, 12/14/03

“It is because I support the troops, because I am concerned about their well-being, that I am opposed to sending troops to Bosnia. I have no doubt that the Americans who serve in the Armed Forces of the United States will go where their Commander in Chief sends them. They will serve proudly. They will do their job well. That is not the issue here.”
-Sen. Phil Gramm, Floor Statement, 12/6/95

“‘This is his (President Clinton’s) war,’ said DeLay the other day. And DeLay will be damned if he is going to do anything to help Clinton in his war. ‘The president will run the president’s war,’ he said. ‘We’ll consult with the president, but we’ll get our work done.’ And what is that work? Well, part of it seems to be giving aid and comfort to the Yugoslavian war aims and working against the war aims of the United States. . . This is not ‘his’ war. It is ours. And people who do not understand that do not understand the idea of nationhood, and they call into question their own fitness to lead.”
- Syndicated columnist Michael Kelly, 5/4/99

Quite the hypocritical little pieces of scum, aren't they.

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because it profits THEM. Whether Clinton's wars were right or wrong they wouldn't support it because they weren't calling the shots and weren't in control. All of them are greedy. Just look at who profitied from Bush's wars since 9/11.

The next time I hear a right-winger going on about the lack of Democrat support for this invasion, I will show them their past "lack of support!" Great job!!! There is no "D" in "hypocrisy." But, there is a big-ass "R" there! :)

Let them shove these quotes down the Repubs throats.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I'm sure they'll profit from them. So that way they can call them out on their hypocriacy. Especially for new democratic congressmen/women and senators.

Thank you

There you go using "facts" to support the argument that Democrats don't hate troops and actually show that the Republicans use the troops as a disposable tool. How weak.

I hate to tell you this, but it's time to face the real facts -- you hate the troops. Haven't you heard? Now we're the party that hates the troops. Want proof? Well, er, I don't have any. But apparently there were a handful of questionable anonymous people who "bashed the troops" on an anonymous political discussion board. So, there you go. I'm sorry to break it to you, but your little facts, figures, statistics, and written proof of the argument just don't hold water against the insurmountible loudless of the accusations presented by our political counterparts. After all, they present their side very loudly and sound really convincing about it, so they must be right.

At first I thought you were serious, then I realized you were using something called sarcasm, satire, and wit. lol.

my National Guard nephew (currently Iraqmired).

And my dad who was RAF in WWII.

Hate em all.

And yep, I must admit to being a member of that *spit* REALITY-BASED COMMUNITY.

All I have are Facts, Truth and Reality on my side.

I am so ashamed...

:D :D :D

Until today I thought I supported vets too, but despite my personal experience and your facts, I must come to terms with the fact that I, because I'm a Dem, apparently hate and bash my veteran ancestors, countrymen, and family. Sorry Dad, Mom, Grandpa D, Grandpa H, Uncle Mike, Uncle Charlie, BIL Todd, and BIL Corey.

Sarcasm off now. I'm a little bitter I guess because this is an issue that really touched a nerve with me today.

When my hubby was in Iraq I spent literally every dime I made sending food and water and juice and clothing to him to pass around to his unit. Tens of thousands of dollars worth and my post office can back that up, lol!

And these BASTARDS who sit on their arses with their little Made In China car stickers who do NOTHING WHATOSEVER but chant THEY "support the troops" simply by being rightwingnut assholes and *I* don't because I'm a *sneer* librul.

I'm a wee bit bitter myself about it.

It makes me feel so upset when they call me anti-American and UnAmerican and call Clinton anti-military and things like that. :cry: These guys are so worse! They're using and abusing the military for THEM! Their freakin PNAC plans! :grr: Freakin monsters! I have military in my family too so I guess I hate them all as well eh? :eyes:

I was going to bring up the Balkans. How right you are. Ah well....I'm saving up to be an ex-patriate.

You know what's funny? People bitching about immigrants. We are hauling in immigrants as fast as we can to compensate for the lack of skilled workers in this country. If people would quit bitching and start learning, we'd be better off. I ought to know, I'm in IT.

that people can't find jobs. Bush bringing in illegal immigrants and sending jobs over seas. *sigh* And he's doing nothing for our borders but talks all this big talk about ending "tyranny" and b.s.

When GOP says "support" it means "send to die" or "treat as expendable"

But: you all know WHY repubs didn't support Clinton's war on Eastern Europe.

The was no profit motive involved.

Maybe if Milosevic had been sitting on a vault full of Kruggerands, the slimy bunch of santorum would have rallied behind the Big Dog.

Humitarianism to those thugs is like trying to teach calculus to a dog.

or something. (They want to pretend only the "strict Father" party can do that... )

Seems like that is part of their argument - Clinton was just trying to look like a tough guy and distract from his scandal.

Bingo. All these people do, the neocons in republican clothing, is do something if it supports THEM. They don't care about anything else.

I'm printing them out, and if I ever again have the bad fortune to be debating the "merits" of this fraudulent war with some Bush cultist, I'm gonna read just a few of DeLay's remarks--without attribution. I can't wait to then hear the Bush cultist refute the remarks... after which I will tell him/her exactly WHO made the remarks!

I know how hypocritical the republican party is, but seeing it all hang out like this makes me sick.

Thank you so much LynntheDem for putting this series of quotes and news articles together in one place. It really does piss me off though... that theses repug slimeballs get away with it.

Keep up the great postings.... :toast:

They get a lot of our soldiers killed while they make tons of money but what have they ever done for the troops. Don't be afraid to ask them what they have ever done to support the troops. they will give you that blank look because they have no answer. They are all hat and no cattle. democrats have the hat and the cattle. Democrats created the GI Bill. That fact needs to be repeated often.

monies to spend on the war efforts.

Leadership, the real Leadership we have come to value and cherish, has been devalued into a myth....when I hear people say they admire Bush for his leadership, I want to puke. People have forgotten what a REAL Leader stands for, what they do, what responsibilities they have and fulfill. Bush is Photo Op, PR, Whispering Campaigne, Liar, Cheat, Steal, kinda prez.... the worst type we can get at Presidents R US. Cheap Presidents are void of QUALITY.

This is a wonderful thread... 5 stars and a load of fine wine/racks of lamb on the way

Rethugs are good for crap!

What all is in the GI Bill? I was young back then so I don't know. And also it's the republicans who are cheating out veterans in VA hospitals. Making them pay huge bills and for meals. :grr: "Support the troops" but only if they're fighting. Once they're not in war they're through with you. Really sad. :cry:

Bookmark this one.

When I first read this post I thought that it was a double-edged sword meant to make us think about why the we US Americans rally around the President who happens to be of our own party. But the responses thus far leave me wondering.

If we put party aside for a moment we might consider that maybe the republicans were making sense in regards to Bosnia (after all what they said seems alot like what most Dems are saying right now).

And if repubs could do the same, they might just re-think thier blind allegiance to The Leader.

There are very few voices on capitol hill that voted against both wars. Why is that?

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use Campaigns link above, and then click on Local Media Blaster

or

Go to National Media List in the Media Forum

And the "liberal media" still ignores the facts and repeats the bushCartel lies. They KNOW the facts, they just prefer to ignore the facts.

Too bad the rest of the world won't ignore the facts as well; the more we do, the more the world despises us and the more danger we're in. :(