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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:29 AM
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The Censored Two "Boondocks" Strips Here (2-28, 3-1)
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 10:49 AM by UTUSN
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000818909

.... According to Universal Press Syndicate, newspapers pulling today's (2-28) strip included The Detroit News and the Star Tribune in Minneapolis. The Poynter Institute's Romenesko site reported that the Chicago Tribune also dropped today's "Boondocks," with the paper saying the comic "presents inaccurate information as fact."

Universal said the Star Tribune also plans to drop tomorrow's (3-1) "Boondocks," which again refers to Bush's alleged former drug use. ....




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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:31 AM
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1. those are great!! thanks for posting nt
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 02:16 PM
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33. added to the image blog --------> images.GlobalFreePress.com
FYI - post images here -> http://images.GlobalFreePress.com

first create an account...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/register.php

then upload at will ;->

this way we can have a permanent archive to refer back to and post their image urls in your favorite blogs to remind folks that the neoCONs have no mandate.

also, add a link to the source, if possible, and any accompanying text if available, please.

don't forget to vote and comment on your favorite images as well =)

if you have any problems ping me at DU.

psst... pass the word :bounce:

peace
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No Mandate Here. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:33 AM
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2. WaPo ran both of them. Amazing stuff! ... EOM
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:36 AM
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3. LMAO!
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:38 AM
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4. "presents inaccurate information as fact."

I heard the Weade tapes; Bush ADMITS ON TAPE to having smoked pot. So, how is McGruder bashing him for it not based on FACT?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:43 AM
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5. Coke...
... which Bush has refused to discuss.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:56 AM
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8. Republicans are allowed to refuse to discuss things
Democrats are villified if they do.

IOKIYAR
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:02 PM
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14. He also refused to discuss marijuana...looks like he smoked it.

So, how much credence are we supposed to give to a guy who refuses to talk about his past? I'll just assume that he did coke, too. I'll assume that until he directly denies it.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:41 PM
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16. Well, the paper's argument...
... is that there's no evidence (not a particularly good excuse, except that they're fearful they'll be joined in a suit).

In Bush's case, he's probably bulletproof on this subject. Even if there were evidence which surfaced that showed he used coke, he'll fall back on his ever-ready excuse--he hasn't done anything like that since he found God.

Now, if someone were to come up with evidence that he was selling it....
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:07 PM
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20. Evidence? Let's hear the rest of the Weade tapes!
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:21 PM
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23. Too late...
... Bush's lawyers have got `em....
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:28 PM
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47. Guess what? They're not subpoena proof.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:14 AM
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49. Keep on hoping...
... but don't get your hopes up. Who's gonna subpoena them? Criminal courts? Was he under oath when he made the statements? No? Well, no perjury charges. Criminal possession? Statute of limitations has run out a long time ago.

Subpoena for impeachment charges? Keep on hoping, but don't hold your breath. Bush could get caught screwing a chicken on the Truman balcony at high noon on Flag Day and this Congress would say, "gee, too bad, must mean Laura's not feeling too well."



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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:12 PM
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21. What suit? Bush is a public figure. McGruder is cartoonist.
There's absolutely no legal basis for such an argument.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:20 PM
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22. No, that's not true...
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 01:23 PM by punpirate
... public figures aren't exempt from libel protection. One can use their likeness and their name because they're public figures, without infringement of their rights, but one can't libel them at will because they're public figures.

On edit, I doubt the paper has a gripe in this regard, but its lawyers would probably say that cartoon was a no-no. Mind you, Magruder is probably a lot closer to the truth than Bush will ever admit, but corporate lawyers don't think that way....

Cheers.

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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:35 PM
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24. That's correct, but the plaintiff must prove actual malice
And also prove not only that the statements were false, but that the defendant knew they were false or acted with "a reckless and willful disregard for the truth."

Laughable.

If they were to consistently follow such legal advice, if indeed that's what it was, they wouldn't publish any cartoons, much less political cartoons and editorials.

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:51 PM
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26. Oh, I agree...
... but, then, as I suggested, you and I don't think like corporate lawyers. :) Corporations have become progressively more risk-averse, and this may be an example.

The other possibility, of course, is that they are doing whatever they can to maintain the public facade of a drug abuser who also happens to be president.... :)
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 02:38 PM
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36. Sure, or just ducking public backlash
And using the legal department for CYA.

5 will get you 173 they have a formula for calculating how many lost subscriptions each angry email represents, and 10 will get you 17 it's wrong. The modern backlash machine is very effective at exaggerating public outcries.

And of course they wouldn't be in such a pickle if they weren't so heavily invested in maintaining the facade that Bush has never used illicit drugs.

Oh! what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive!

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mantis49 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:34 PM
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44. OK, if what you and Punpirate says is true,
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 06:34 PM by mantis49
then how did those people in the 90s get away with accusing Clinton of murder and other assorted crimes?
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:11 AM
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59. Maybe they shouldn't have.
Were the most flagrant libels picked up by corporate media? If so, then it would seem to be a political calculation.

Consider the case of Gerhard Schröder vs. The Mail on Sunday, I mean the political calculus of it, not its legalities. Arguably it hurt Schröder as much as it helped him. Then again, he's still Chancellor.

There are probably cultural factors too, a different Zeitgeist, a different sense of what's permissable or popular, and also the obvious political bias of the publishers--hypocritical, but what can you do about it?

And what's true of the press (you know, "ink by the barrel") goes double for comedians. Sue a comedian for making you look ridiculous? Oh, there's a sure route to restoring your dignity.

So again, in American law the bar is set pretty high. And litigating against parody is a sure loser in the court of public opinion. In the case of Boondocks, this business about liability is bunkum.

Just my two cents.
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
42. Youthful indiscretions, don't ya know?
BTW, those "youthful" indiscretions involve everything until he was 40 years old.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:02 PM
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43. I read something recently...
... that suggested that Bush's present moral framework is similar to that of the phase one goes through at the age of 13. I suspect that chronological age has little to do with his indiscretions (he still seems to be a schoolyard bully nearly twenty years after his conversion).

Cheers.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 02:09 PM
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32. and I'm going to continue to assume
that he has fucked sheep as part of his Skull and Bones initiation. until he denies it, of course.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:43 AM
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6. Plus, every spokesman for the Bush administration
presents inaccurate information as fact every day. I bet they don't complain about that.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:02 AM
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50. "Fact" is a matter of opinion these days...
didn't you get the memo?
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:52 AM
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7. Boondocks is on a ROLL this week!
Aaron :yourock:

LOL! Sending 'em everywhere...spreading the factually correct comic and not the opinionated press stuffings.
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:56 AM
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9. ...and all the folks in the humor biz are doing Monica jokes to this day
Can't make jokes about the grinning, kill-happy fraud king, but by golly, we can do Monica jokes with abandon, until the mountains fall into the sea.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:58 AM
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10. added to the image blog --------> images.GlobalFreePress.com
FYI - post images here -> http://images.GlobalFreePress.com

first create an account...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/register.php

then upload at will ;->

this way we can have a permanent archive to refer back to and post their image urls in your favorite blogs to remind folks that the neoCONs have no mandate.

also, add a link to the source, if possible, and any accompanying text if available, please.

don't forget to vote and comment on your favorite images as well =)

if you have any problems ping me at DU.

psst... pass the word :bounce:

peace
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:23 AM
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11. This Guy Couldn't Draw Flies If He Was Covered In Honey
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 11:24 AM by K8-EEE
I like this guy as a Maher guest and of course share his sentiments but wtf is up with all these comic strips where the "artist" can't f-ing DRAW! The paper is full of them...

Cathi and Luann and Boondocks etc etc....terrible! Same lame drawings over and over.

I am married to a great animator/artists which is why it pisses me off I suppose, LOL. Every time I see this guy's strip it infuriates me! He does that "Doonesbury" thing too where 90% of the panels are in profile.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
28. Successful comics artists need more wit than draftsmanship.
Although some have both.

And some have neither--but "Mallard Fillmore" is useful to balance a comic page in which a few strips are obviously liberal & many others slip in the occasional anti-Republican zinger.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:37 PM
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40. Mallard Filmore
Yeah "Mallard Filmore" is not too bad! Also the guy here who posts the toons periodically there are some killer artists on those collections, none of whom I ever see in my paper. Great stuff in there!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #28
55. Shit, look at Scott Stantis's "Prickly City"
That guy can't draw (or scrawl, more like) for shit AND his jokes are totally idiotic to nonexistent. Only reason any paper runs him is to offer an element of Right-wing "balance" to the comics page.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:51 AM
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56. yes, true!
Actually the vast majority of the comic strips are so terrible and you wonder who the hell likes them or reads them, and what "ratings" system they go by? Does anybody really follow Rex Morgan or Apt. 3-G? And what is that one -- is it called For Better Or For Worse, with all these women all hunched over??

Calvin and Hobbes was probably the last comic strip I thought was really excellent, funny and great expression in the drawing. Far Side was always funny -- and Dilbert, the drawings are crude but they work because the strip is so funny and most people can relate to the cubicle hell issue.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. I'll tell you who I think has real artistic talent, combined with brains:
The guy who draws "Non Sequitur"- Wiley Miller, I think is his name.

Dan Piraro.

Berkeley Breathed.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 02:09 PM
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31. Same lame drawings over and over
try reading the words.

and comparing cathi and boondocks, you just lost any credibility you ever had.

good luck to your husband. hope things pick up.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:01 PM
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39. Freeper Mentality
that you can't criticize anybody for any reason that you idolize ideologically speaking....the hub has been a working character animator for 25 years, he and every other animation artist I know can draw circles around these awful comic strip artists, they should have somebody who can draw do the drawings.

As for content....it didn't really bowl me over either, I think focusing on GWB or anybody else doing drugs 30 years ago is kind of 9,000th in line of what we should be pointing out.

I think his characters are ugly and doonesbury-ish, and it's boring how he always has them reading in profile or whatever. I just don't like this guy as an artist, so sue me.
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Les BOOGIE Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #31
51. significant that it made MSM (published my city)
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 02:19 PM
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34. It's all about content.
Read the message!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:29 AM
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54. Comics aren't strictly about drawing ability.

Rather, I think the real trick is to be able to come up with content, day in and day out.

I like Magruder's style, personally.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:51 AM
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12. Doug Wead - Didn't You Crack Up
when you first heard the story and they kept saying weed. I thought is the MSM really referring to marijuana as weed?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:42 PM
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25. Yeah, which tells me it's more Unkle Karl bull-crap.
"Doug Wead"

Yeah, I'll BET Dumbya "Dug Weed". I bet he still digs it.

Didn't I say that about 2 weeks ago, when this story surfaced to get all our minds off of "Mr. Eight-Inches-Cut"?
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 03:46 PM
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38. LOL - Dug Weed
that's funny and food for thought. Unkle Karl has devilish a sense of humor, he is Satan.:evilgrin:
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:54 AM
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13. Important stuff.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:26 PM
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45. Is that your pat answer today?
It's usually something more creative. Maybe those other websites are depleting your energy. ;-)
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #45
60. Sorry. I have a cold.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:25 PM
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15. kick

nt
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GoSolar Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:55 PM
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17. Excellent!
Kick!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:00 PM
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18. I'm happy to report that both were in my paper and I live in
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 01:01 PM by Clark2008
a blue city in a red county in a red region of a red state.

"Boondocks" already runs, along with "Doonesbury" and "Mallard Fillmore" (a conservative cartoon) on the editorial pages, anyway, so it was no biggie. I'm sure there will be both pro and con letters later this week, too.



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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:04 PM
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19. "presents inaccurate information as fact" ??!
What is it with conservatives? How many ways are there to be wrong about cartoons? How many ways to be wrong about facts? My head is spinning.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:54 PM
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27. The Hartford Courant ran both...
and they endorsed Bush in November. A rare case of journalistic impartiality to have done both, I think.

Redstone
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. The Star Tribune endorsed Kerry
and didn't run the cartoon. They actually DO have a liberal editiorial board.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:38 PM
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48. The Strib did run the second one
I can't remember them ever not running a strip (usually Boondocks or Doonesbury) that other papers were banning.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 02:03 PM
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30. Inaccurate information, BAHAHA
Wait a minute, I heard the tape of those words (about drug use) straight out of the horse's ass, I mean mouth on the Daily Show. Maybe those papers should check out Jon Stewart instead of Faux News!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 02:28 PM
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35. "presents inaccurate information as fact" Oh my!
Yeah, those cartoons, presenting inaccurate information as fact! How dare they? Unlike CORRECT cartoons, which present people as having big heads and little tiny bodies, or present animals talking, or show people/animals coming back to life after big explosions...
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 03:13 PM
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37. .
:kick:
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:44 PM
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41. That 2nd one is hilarious
LMAO
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:53 PM
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46. Knoxville News Sentinel ran both of them. Amazing!
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:20 AM
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52. It should have been "Harry Crack"
though, just for fun.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:24 AM
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53. So proud the Milwaukee J/S printed them
Not into censorship, bless them. At least not this time.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 02:38 AM
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58. Stellar!
Thanks.
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