Family and Friends think I'm "Crazy"......Husband wants me to stop reading

DU. The don't believe the Gannon Story, the child sex ring story, the 9/11 inside job story, the Corporate thieves, the lies about Iraq. I thought after the election, I could let it all go. The more I read the more concerned I became. Has anybody out there got any words of support for me......I'm near tears.....

get a new hubby, plenty of hot lefty guys on DU!

pick a small one and work it, BamaGirl!!

start with Walmart shipping jobs to China where abortions are federally mandated for chinese women

start here...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/

and keep your chin up kid :)

outsourcing of jobs to Mexico, India, China and elsewhere.....thanks for the web site..

Just remember you are right, and think how they will admire you for being so smart. You will be a Goddess

been covered in the MSM (Olbermann, NYTimes, etc).

Plus I saw the pix online, and it it definitly was the guy on TV asking the dopey questions.

There was absolutely a GAY HOOKER in the WH Press Corps.

We're "obsessed". I think they put something in the water.

read Common Dreams news stories. It hurts when the people we love most just won't listen, and worse make fun of us for what we say.

That's why hubby and I just don't talk politics or religion.

But you've got a great outlet and a "family" here at DU.

*hugs*

to happen happened..

and i was a flt attendant and when some of my co workers came over one night and we all sat saying how 9/11 was allowed to happen or * was behind it..
hubby sat there and listened from other room...as i never discussed security even with hubby...and then when others left..he said ..all of you are saying the same thing..i said no shit sherlock...but when i say it he doesnt believe it unless its on tv..well now he believes everything..and now he reads the books..and he goes and buys a bunch of them and passes them out to all repub friends..and says read it and then tell me how good bush is...

last book the economic hit man..he bought 25 of them and gave them out!!
now he is almost obsessed as me..

he doesnt do the computer stuff..but i run off important things and i leave them on the table..i say nothing..he gets up in morn and reads...but i try to do it with 3 references ..so its not just one source..

now he talks about this stuff more than me!!..and the guys he plays golf with are assholoe conservs...and now he wont play golf with them..cause he says they are just assses...he plays golf with young guys ..who he can wake up to this stuff!!

go buy that book economic hit man..men get that money stuff!! hubby read it 2 days non stop..he gave it to our dentist even..i go to dentist and he comes to lobby and says he was reading all weekend ignoring company..he said he couldnt put it down...get a hook to hook your hubby with stuff that will get him..and money usually does!!

fly

a man wrote it?????

American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush -- by Kevin Phillips

this is important because Phillips is very conservative, worked for Nixon.

--IMM

It is a little tongue in cheek, however. She is amazed at some of the stuff I learn here.

Decide for YOURSELF. Read different blogs/newspapers on line/different points of view. Hash it all out. I'm not CERTAIN on many things. But I suspect that 9/11 was an inside job-but I wouldn't talk about it to just anyone unless I knew they were sympathetic. They only have the one version of reality. Never limit yourself to one version. Consider everything and then go with your gut.

I think the Gannon sex ring connection is total hogwash.

I think there are zillions of good things on DU, many of them in late breaking news and links people post.

It is overwhelming what's happening..the lies about Iraq and many about 9/11 are all there in the public record. They are not conspiracy stories,they are facts most of our so called main stream media wants to ignore.

Take a break. But don't surrender your brain to your friends, your families or DU. Keep reading, an open mind is not an easy thing but it's worth it in the end. It takes courage to open your mind-it did for me and I've always been a Democrat and never wanted to believe the things that I now have come to see about our country and it's past and its very in danger future.

Some days this place depresses me beyond words-but most of the time I am THRILLED to know I'm NOT CRAZY, I'm seeing with open eyes and I'm not alone.

You are not alone.

all the time......one thing leads to another.....it's never ending

but remember, you don't have to believe everything you read. Sometimes people say things on DU just to let off steam. You have to take everything with a grain of salt. If you think someone is making some statement from way out in left field, ask them to substantiate it, and don't believe anything anyone, on or off DU, says until they prove it.

It's funny how quickly they are picking up stuff on their own now. I hope it's that way for the rest of the country. I get my moments. When I feel they are receptive, I toss em a fact to chew on. Sort of spoonfed truths. When I was ranting about ALL the facts, I think I was coming off as Ms Paranoid Missouri runner up. Now I'm Ms congeebeeality.

sitting here reading DU whenever I can. I have only been here a few months and 1000% more active than I ever was before. I live in Ft. Wayne, Indiana and am driving over to South Bend tomorrow to "address my greivances" to the Bush regime. Notre Dame students are planning a rally for him, "US less secure under Bush."

Welcome to DU! :toast: There's a good hint upthread... Typically when someone comes in here at first, just beginning to suspect that they're not getting the full story on TV, they're staggered by how much they've been missing. Significant others, who haven't had a chance to read and research what you've been learning have to be brought along more slowly. If you hit 'em with it all at once, they're convinced you've flipped your lid.

Start small, show some of the links to original documents and media sources they recognize... and then THEY start to get curious.

:hi: That's great news you are going to the rally! Let us know how it went and post some pics if you can of the event.

Is there a March 19 anti war protest in your area? check the links in my sig line if you're not sure.

Seriously. So much of what we read here is fascinating, but we're powerless to do very much about most of it. The 9-11 story, for example: there's SO MUCH to read on it, and a lot of truth, too -- but, ultimately, I know that I can't do much at all about it... and it just gives me heartburn. So I go away and come back to these stories when I'm feeling more energized.

And when people around us aren't interested/think we're nuts... it's that much worse.

Give yourself a break and live in the off-line world for a while.

DU will be here when you get back.

:hug:

don't worry if they buy it all..serve them a piece at a time.

If you were feeding a friend some salami, would you serve them a bite at a time or slam the entire log down their throat at once?

there are some awful purdy pictures you can print too. The whole salami baby. :D :hi:

BamaBecky,

We are facing the most corrupt, heinous administration in the history of this country, it's no wonder people find your information to be incredulous. In all of my near 50 years, I've never been more concerned about the direction our country is heading. But I also disagree with those who say you shouldn't mention DU to anyone. What the hell is that all about? Truth is power.

Fortunately I have a husband who's willing to learn and discuss what's happening. He also shares information with a few rightwingers at work and they're slowly but surely "getting" it.

We both agree things are dire and I can understand your grief and frustration. Lately, I find myself screaming obscenities at CSpan or what I read here, and fortunately for the sake of my family, I only do this when they're gone. I will however cut loose with the mf'ers with my husband. He doesn't seem to mind and usually joins me.

I believe we're in for a hell of a ride in the next year, and those who scoff at you now, will be clamoring to your door asking "why?" Consider it an honor to be the messenger.

these people are still fighting the civil war....current events to these people would be Chancellorsville, and Fredricksburg....give them 150 yrs (give or take ) and they will understand

Welcome To Mysteries Of The Mind

http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/ thursday nite 927..she is on now!!

I can't get it on my computer. :hi:

You will have plenty of support here, so you should be okay.

And I used to be a fairly conservative Bush supporter!!! I laugh at them, because they cannot figure out what happened. I tell them, "I started paying attention. That's all." Then I tell them, "You need to pay attention." I have been cutting down my time online, however, because I get obsessed and I need to be with my kids, who need me still. You all know what I mean. But when they leave for college I will be a wild activist woman!!!

I LOVE wild activist women!!! :loveya:

and no one wanted to listen to him either. We have to stay engaged - I think the life of our democracy depends on it. I am totally convinced of it, in fact.

nobody ever said truth is easy. revolution has never been easy. there comes a moment in every revolutionary's life when they have to leave the sheeple in their lives behind and pursue their own path

Since, even if it's true, it's too far thru the looking glass for folks in places like 'Bama. But there is proof positive that Bushco WERE incompetent in their handling of 9-11, they had tons of warnings they ignored. Gannon is simply a matter of fact, whether they believe it or not. No conspiracy theory there...

Don't know what else to tell you. Are there any blue pockets in Alabama you could move to, to meet like-minded people?

I always just ask them.. "What is the purpose of the Defense department?"...answer...to protect us...d-e-f-e-n-s-e..
Was the sec of defense "in the loop" with the whitehouse?...answer ..yes

Then WHY was he sitting at his desk when the PENTAGON was attacked and hit?....answer....duh....um...uh...

It says a LOT about the administration, when they ADMIT that they were warned about impending terror attacks, they KNEW that the WTC was/had been/STILL WAS a likely target.They admit that the Clinton whitehouse briefed them, yet they held Z E R O meetings about terror, and on the day of the attack, they were caught with their pants down, and in fact their MILITARY HEADQUARTERS were hit by the "enemies"..

They have not "defended" us since they took office, and probably will not when AlQaeda decides to attack us here agian. AlAqaeda attacks when THEY want to, and they have always been patient.

:) You are telling them the truth, but if they REFUSE to listen, then back off a bit. Take baby steps. Work on the person who is most important to you... use kid gloves. Whatever you do, don't give up seeking the truth.

Play Mike Malloy - pump his stream through the stereo at high volume until your husband begs you to go back to reading at DU. He's coming up in 30 minutes. Sit your hubby in front of the computer and MAKE him listen to the truth! (look for the Malloy Truthseeker thread in GD) Demand he stop supporting an administration that murders American soldiers and commits genocide... wait. Didn't I just say take baby steps? :D

Hang in there and don't give up! :hug:

Maybe just back off of the more controversial stuff a bit, like the child sex ring link, so they don't have any ammo to use to call you crazy.

Some people cannot handle the brutal truth, but have to be spoon fed small doses of reality.

Good luck!
:grouphug:

randi sounds just like me. all the kids were in awe. lol lol lol. but, my husband started listening. i didnt say or give him anything, just let him do it on his own. yup

;)

lol lol. for the first five years people would say to me.....poor ed. poor ed. poor ed my ass. i came to realize the luck dog he was.

anyway, i concur. thank you. lmao

fight the good fight for me kick bush butt today ...

but I do agree with others here start small .
:shrug:

give him a kiss on cheek. nice

:hi:

It was easy being asleep, don't worry you're in good company. welcome to the world, but here you make choices, but always remember its still a dream! Again WELCOME!

to marginalize you. If they can convince others that you're crazy...if they can convince themselves that you're crazy....then they can dismiss everything you try to tell them. They don't have to believe any facts you present...because, "she's crazy"

Don't allow them to do that to you.

Frankly, it's a wonder we're not all just a little "crazy" after watching the damage Bush has caused to America...

Next time they call you crazy just tell them "Oh, I'm mad alright...and if y'all were paying attention, y'all would be mad too"

or, if you'd rather, I'd be glad to tell him :D

Yes these Alabama people are so far back in the woods....I do need to back off....it's hard being in the "know" and not having anybody you can sit down and talk to about it....I've been awake since the fall........thought things would die down after the election....then came the election fraud, and now the Gannon thing.......and all the while I have been reading about the lies about Iraq and the lies about 9/11........the world is crazy.....it's very overwhelming....it really is overwhelming....and I guess that's why I want so badly to talk with folks that know......people can't take it in.....they just had rather think that I'm the fanatic.....I guess that's easier..........for them

I think what hurt was my husband coming down on me so about it...

Thank You...Thank You...Thank You
:grouphug:

Your welcome, your welcome, Now repeat after me. in the world, of the world, when you're of world, everything is so real, the pain and the joy, when you realize your "in" the world, but wake up to its governing agenda, that was here before you, and detach from it, you suddenly become confused, its OK, thats just you waking up,I could go on, but there's no fear here, not even death! Just simple truth,love, thats all there really is. So cease the day! and keep love as you're guide post!

perspective! Thanks! Love is everything, the end all, be all of existence! Instead of feeling personally hurt, which is all about "me" and ego.....I need to love them......thanks for reminding me! Your special!

the facts are on your side.

You don't need to be talking about unmarked jets shooting down the jet over PA, or explosives being set off in the basement of the WTC, or gay RW shills being granted extraordinary access to presidential briefings. To them, these all sound equally far fetched.

But keep reading, stay informed. Eventually, they will stumble across something that baffles or outrages them, and they will ask you about it and you will have the facts.

SS was a good start. I have a repub friend who was all in favor of 'SS reform' and personal accounts, but she wasn't real clear about them and asked me. I told her how the personal accounts weren't really very personal, that she's have a very narrow choice of investments to choose from, and that any possible increase gained by those investments would be offset by commensurate reductions in the SS guarantee. And on top of that, it would cost 15 trillion over 20 years to implement it, and that money would have to be borrowed, added to the national debt --

By the time I got that far, she looked like she'd been hit with a brick.

Hang in there. It takes some time for some people to see the light.

Just ignores me when I talk about the Bush crime family.

My business partner is a right winger who told me Clinton and Gore faux stories until I told her she was sadly misinformed. (She spent her formative years under Communism and consequently equates that with being liberal.)

Even here in New Jersey it sometimes seems very lonely because most people just don't want to think about how the current regime is working day and night to screw them. It's a freaking national emergency and they just don't get it.

way. it's like I'm yelling....FIRE....FIRE....FIRE...and they can't see the FIRE.......oh so frustrating......

would be happy to help you present info to your husband and friends.
I am a former reporter. I'm in public relations now. I know how the communications industry works - or, rather, doesn't work, anymore.
First, ask why your husband doesn't believe any of these stories. My guess is that he'll say "because the press hasn't covered them" or "because, if that was true, the 'librul' media would be all over Bush."
Then tell him that was his first fallacy: the media is owned by seven corporations and in those seven corporations, the upper echilon supported Bush.
If you can somehow get him to start realizing that we no longer have a free press, he might start opening up his mind to the fact that there is legitimate information on the web, in foreign newspapers and from eye witnesses that backs up some of the claims you mentioned.
The first step, however, is the hardest. People in this country honestly believe the media is like it was back during Watergate and it's not. It's been taken over by the corporate elite, Bush-paid activists and, quite honestly, the lesser talents (most talented reporters now must move into another profession if they want to make ends meet. Only those who open up their mouths and flap their gums with skewed opinions seem to make any money now and half of them aren't even reporters).
But, as the other posters have said, take it slow. Feed it to your husband and friends gently.

You are a former reporter? How fun!

My husband relies on me now for the news since he doesn't read any alternative sources himself, he's a bit obsessed with work. He knows the MSM is one big propaganda machine.

I think you are right, that's really the first step, getting people to understand they are not being fed the truth by the MSM!

But know that MILLIONS do believe you and that over time, you may be able to convince your people.

I'm lucky that my mother is so liberal, it makes me look conservative. Her only problem is she feels hopeless.

But, I don't think it's necessarily "you" they don't believe - they don't believe what you're telling them because they haven't seen it in the MSM. And, that's why you must start your conversations by pointing out how useless most of the MSM is.
Have you ever just flipped the channel to Keith Olbermann or John Stewart while your hubby's around? They will have a point or two a night that you can use as a springboard for opening up the conversation about how awful the media is now.

Just a thought.

:hug:

nothing beats the movie "Orwell Rolls In His Grave." Even for someone who knows how corrupt the MSM has become, it was still shocking to watch.

http://www.orwellrollsinhisgrave.com/

Need to be taken with whole cart-loads of salt.

The idea that Guckert, aka Gannon, actually is a person kidnapped at the age of twelve and held as a sex slave for Republican politicos as part of a government program to produce mind control slaves is certainly one of them. So is the idea no jetliner struck the Pentagon, or that planted demolition charges collapsed the towers at New York.

However, Ma'am, the leaders of many corporations closely affiliated with Republican politicians are thieves. Enron is a prime example. Halliburton traded with enemies of the United States, both Iraq and Iran. A colossal pack of lies was told to sell the people on the idea of invading Iraq.

"Diverting the eye is important to concealment."

who would ever believe that the Government kidnapped people and fed them massive doses of LSD and shock treatment as part of a government program to produce mind control slaves?

Would you?

On a pretty small scale, that do not seem to have panned out usefully. Controlling people's minds is not that easy a thing; this is why it is a staple of pulp fictions, and a rarity in works of history. It would surprise me very much if intelligence agencies did not experiment with such things. But those known instances fall appallingly short of proving the sort of claims being made in this current speculative frenzy.

for the next couple years he didnt want to hear anything. about iraq war he started researching and paying attention. voted kerry, first time voting for a democrat. was so disgusted by election he turned off all news in the house. i had already done it a motnh earlier. yesterday, he talked to a customer that was a democrat. unusual in the panhandle of texas. he loved his conversation. today talking to a repug, customer about local election. repug says i guess we just dont want a representative that will make a fool of herself. husband said that ship sailed. and went into a tirade about bush talking in france and what an idiot he sounded like

as he was telling me the story i kept asking, you said this to a customer. to a republican. k, he gets away with it cause he is a texan, repug and really nice, everyone likes him

i on the other hand was depressed today cause people i talked to are so unaware. and i thought to myself where is the outrage. it feels really really good to have a husband that feels that outrage with me.

there was a period though husband didnt want to hear a thing from me. so i did keep it to myself, until i exploded, lol. then i would keep quiet a while longer. then explode. was/is important to me. husband came to realize and accept

as a favor to you. so maybe he will better understand. and if not agree, can support you in your quest/mission

It's a sanity saver.

You let me know if you live in the Bham area, and you can come hang out with my wife and me and we'll bitch together!

We progressive Alabamians need to stick together!

Show them the MSM articles that confirm the mess these whackos have landed us in --and store the rest in your head.

I went through this before and after the 2000 selection, over the course of about a three year period. regarding the ass we have in office.

I "was nuts" I was reading "internet bullshit" etc etc on and on
(from family members and people I trusted)

Now they are singing a different tune because all the things that the Internet community was hip to before the idiot was selected have come to fruition.

It's a shallow "I told you so" but at least they realize that I really wasn't crazy, or stupid.

I had to disconnect from politics, main stream media, and DU for a couple of months, just to keep from getting so angry that stupid things started looking smarter. Take a break, you're expected to ignore what's really happening. Focus on taking care of yourself, not at the expense of others, but make yourself a priority. You probably need it. Once you take care of a few things you probably aren't even aware that you need to take care of for yourself, you'll have more personal resources available to deal with this shit. Don't worry, we'll still be here.

We know you're sane by being here. I would ignore them all. Let them continue to watch Faux News and letting the rightwing nuts consume their brains. When the truth finally hits them, you can always smile and say "I told you so."

On the other hand, there are a few conspiracies out there even on DU that aren't exactly non-fiction, either. Choose those you believe in carefully, that can be shown to be true by factual data. Follow the info up with letters to your local newspapers, with that proof as part of your letters, and keep on top of happenings in the Democratic Party in your home state. Join a few meetups and get a new circle of friends. If your old friends are still good friends, they might start realizing a little earlier than most that you are onto something. But if they're fair weather friends, perhaps they're not worth keeping if their politics are so different than your own that it threatens your friendship.

My best friend is a fundie, but I love her to death. We just don't discuss religion or politics much. True friends won't judge you by the opinions you keep.

This man is a Conservative.

http://www.americandynasty.net/kp.htm

Remember there are a few million Amerikans that don't drink the koolaid.

take this book seriously. they feel differently after reading this book. cool

Even that one barely has any cred inside the conspiracy theorist wing.

If it's driving you to tears, I suggest you Stop. Reading. DU. Or just hang out in the lounge. Seriously. Come back in a month. Dubya won't have done anything too batty. You can talk to your friends about other things. And you'll get some sanity back. And then you can rebalance politics with your life.

since I read these "conspiracy" web sites. My advice is not to discuss some of the more controversial items, like 9/11. Keep it on stuff easily backed by incontrovertible facts, like GW Bush is a criminal.

Everybody lives in their own reality no matter what anybody else tells you. The problem is we have to meet in the middle somewhere to discuss certain aspects of it. None of things you read on DU are written down in stone.

The GW Bush is a criminal aspect can even be a tricky one. Carefull is the word here, you can evetually get them to get where you are comming from if you gradully start pointing things out. It's just since most of it would be rejected because it's too shocking for many to fathom, you just end up having to wait for them opportune times. If you do it properly it's a time when the conversion back to a more concrete one-you-can-put thier-hands on it reality starts to take place

"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people
walking on it."

June 6th, 1968

Shortly after his last speech, which contained the above quote, he was shot.

of news stories on this administration. You could do the same and then one day when they are giving you a hard time, give them an information dump. My personal advice is to give them mainstream sources or wires as they will be suspicious of liberal sites. I find this blows their minds as they become exposed to alot of information. Some, however, will stay in denial.

Folks around me think I'm getting too deep. Only saddens me that when you try to talk to them, they don't have a clue what you are saying. Just sit back and know that you have the real connections.
:grouphug: :9

your husband might find interesting. Make sure it has a link to a mainstream publication. Have your husband sit down and read it. Start slowly. Choose one issue at a time.

Then, find more corroboration for that story in other places. It might make him and your other family members start to question some of the things they see in the press.

I don't agree with or believe everything I read on DU. But it certainly is interesting to get all the points of view here. You could tell him that, too, after you get his attention about one simple storyline here.

really hurt him. Once a weakness is seen, it just snowballs from there.

My hubby has been ragging me for months now about the time I'm spending on line reading about all this, what he refers to as; "that shit"! Excuse me?! He got an earful when I let him know about "the shit" that * & Co are pulling! Well, guess what? It took awhile...but....lately...he believes a lot of it...and more so every day! Best of all is that he's been listening to AAR and likes Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy...Whoo Hoo! Though, that said, we're not in the exact same page-yet. I think there is truth in many of the "conspiracies" like LIHOP/MIHOP 9/11 and Gannon/Gosch etc., while he's skeptical about some things-though not about LIHOP/MIHOP 9/11.

However-what my hubby thinks or what anyone thinks won't stop me from looking for answers. For those of us who believe-we should not let any stone go unturned in our pursuit of the truth-we must continue In Spite Of what others think or say to demean and belittle us-just as some have done to us in this thread. :eyes: Perhaps the negative attitude springs from the fact that most people can't handle the truth. Because no one really wants to know how bad it truly is right now or how evil * & Co actually is. Sadly, I'd say that it will be a rude awakening for so many when all "the * shit" finally does hit the fan.

discerning or go away and take a break. I do not believe anyone but bin Laden caused 9/11. You have to agree that there is ample evidence that two planes got flown into buildings and neither the FBI or the CIA had thought up "box cutters & pilot training". Even evidence that Rice and her gang were too focused on Iraq to care about bin Laden before. That is bad news man. It means they were negligent in a way. And then they take the rightful war against Afghanistan and morph it into a war on Iraq (because of the strong man they had to get rid of - who they put in power 30 years ago).

Sweetie there is enough bad stuff going on right in front of your nose to not believe in the 'secret stories' that conspiracy theorists offer up.

I would take you husband’s advice simply because you seem to buy everything and you cannot do that in this awful times. The internet is not the only place you should be getting all your information. And if you are on this site then you know that most DU people do not agree with or like the conspiracy theories too (one about 9/11, one about election being totally stolen). For instance most people acknowledge that Gannon was a 1)fake journalist hired to lob easy questions and paid for by a silly Talon News organization 2) he had a history as someone selling his sexual services ... but that is all we know. The rest about Gannon is total speculation.

Sounds to me like your husband is worried about you. I am worried about you. You cannot buy into every weird story. And if you find Bush a liar and scary...that is common knowledge.

It's a lonely place to be, seeing things that other people ignore, and caring about it. Doesn't make you wrong, though, it just means that your mind is still working and refuses to be told what to think. And if you get called a "radical" (meant as an insult) - well, your country was founded by radicals.

Sounds like they've developed Stockholm syndrome from the years of abuse at the hands of their abusers (public school,mainstream media,government,job etc.) Its important to remember stockholm syndrome is a completely natural defense mechanism and is actually quite helpful to victims when they are in dire straits. (my mother and grandmother suffer from stockholm syndrome in a similar fashion)

Fortunately the Socratic method (teaching through asking questions) works wonders and they (my mom/grandma) are becoming more open to the truth every day. I ask them questions like, Is it possible there are any conspiracies? Have you ever thought people at your work were conspiring against you? Is it possible that the most powerful people in the world would conspire to get more power?

For 9/11 I ask something like, "Do you know what the first course of action is when a murder is committed? (conduct an investigation) Why do you think there was no investigation into who committed the 9/11 attacks four years after the fact? Was the 9/11 commission truly an investigation? Who do you think had the greatest motive to carry out the attack? Is it possible the ruling class elite has something to gain by the events that transpired on 9/11? Is it possible their motive was as ex-senator Gary Hart said on cspan a day or so after the attack "to use this disaster to create a new world order"?
(show them the video)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/new-world_order_video_index.htm

When they say something insightful ask them to elaborate, say "How exactly?" They will come to the same conclusions you have once they begin to think for themselves and you won't have to convince them of anything!!! They may tell you they don't care etc. but thats just the stockholm syndrome speaking. They believe its in their best interest to stay in denial.

I would suggest while it is tempting to strike the root with issues like 9/11 keep in mind it is easier to change someones perspective in a broader sense than on any specific issue. (First get them to think for themselves by asking broad "is it possible x" questions)

Lastly, don't fret over their unfounded criticism. Once they begin to think for themselves and start to understand reality they will be extremely grateful for what you've done!

Knowledge is Power!

I recommend you read the whole interview, some good insight

http://www.popsmear.com/popculture/features/24/carlin.html


POPsmear: Are you a conspiracy nut? Do you get into that kind of stuff?
Carlin: People make fun of anyone who believes in conspiracy now, that there might actually be powerful people with money who occasionally have plans they make that they don't tell anybody about. It's absurd not to believe they do. They do-they do it all the time. And a lot of them don't need meetings: They all went to the same schools, they belong to the same clubs, they buy the same stocks, they have the same interests, they play golf in the same place, they all want the same outcome. They don't have to have a meeting all the time. They know if somebody ought to be dead, that person will be fucking dead.


I believe in those meetings. I believe these things take place, and I think it's very interesting that believing in conspiracies has now been made to look ridiculous, like you're a kook. You're laughed away. The limits of debate are chosen before the debate even begins. Severe right wing, severe left wing-you will not be on Nightline. Noam Chomsky can't get on Nightline, Howard Zinn, the socialist historian, these people's opinions are not asked. And the stranger people on the right don't get on. So the channel of debate is already decided, and I honestly believe they decide on this presidency shit....

To respond to the first post

You can lead a horse to water, but can not make them drink.

I am inspired by how many people are actually starting to wake up. Imagine the impact that we have already had, we just do not realize it yet. The fire is spreading, keep it up. I was really inspired by the story about the wife’s husband who woke up and started buying books for his friends. Imagine the impact that is being made by that. Imagine if she just gave in and said 2+2=5

The MSM is backpedaling about blogging, and how it just became effective (gannongate). No, It was very effective in totally deconstructing the 9/11 legend within months.

this is the site I refer people to http://911research.wtc7.net /

It is important to realize that these people are not misguided Christians, but misguiding Christians.

In every other nation on this planet YOU would be part of the VAST MAJORITY.

Even in America, you are part of the MAJORITY.

Read the latest US polls?

YOU ARE IN THE MAJORITY.

Your friends and family are UNINFORMED, MISINFORMED, IGNORANT OF the FACTS.

Too bad for them.

Congrats to YOU for being a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN who keeps INFORMED.

:hug:

It's not about being crazy. It's about being free. Free to decide for yourself rather than to be barraged by state run propaganda outlets. When someone tells me I'm a conspiracy nut, I just tell them the weight of evidence is on my side. I can only take so much coincidence then I gravitate to what makes sense and shy away from the absurd. Wake up America.

Every time he wants "some". Tell him to go sit on DU for a half hour first. I bet he learns alot real fast, lol. You woman have a GREAT deal of power over us men in "that department".

BIG :hug:

who have known you forever. You begin voicing your concerns and they've turned into strangers. Not that they're even RW. Not that they don't watch the news on TV once in a while. I had four friends dump me-three were repubs, and one was "concerned" when I voiced my fears. They don't want to talk about it. The worst part was- I'd felt absolutely SAFE with these people. And in the privacy of one room speaking one-on-one it suddenly didn't matter any more. Words had become "incendiary". I've spent so much time in tears because my safety nets have suddenly been removed. Those people who would nod and give me hugs or rush over when I needed them-as I have with them- would look at me and go, "Uh, yah...ooooooo-kaaaaaaaay." It seems these days are all about a struggle between sanity/insanity, courtesy/meanness. I want to tell you that you're not alone. You do have friends here.

the sand. Doesn't the Bible say something about tearing apart brother against brother.....in the end?

They are wrong. You are right. Noise from the peanut gallery is disruptive but not a deal-breaker. Believe what your research tells you.

I enjoy reviewing DU because it gives me another perspective on current events and I learn things. It's like some of my other interests (needlepoint, gardening, going to flea markets and garage sales). As long as it doesn't interfere with my livelihood or home responsibilities what difference does it make.

subpoenaed to court is so Micheal Jackson didn't have to hear him tell jokes about him. She didn't even Know or want to know Jay was being subpoenaed because that family had tried to embezzle money from him. How these re pugs distort thing, is amazing.

My son is a sophomore in high school in... well, let's just say, in a certain southern state. We live in a heavily repukelican area.

Yesterday I asked him if the kiddies in his class knew the name Jeff Gannon. He said yes. I said, do they know he is/was a PROSTITUTE who rented himself out for $200/hour? He said yes.

This son has more than enough answers for any Bush cheerleaders he encounters at school--thanks to my reading sites like DU and telling him what I read. And also thanks to his own critical watching/reading of "news" spots about politics.

Remember, now, I'm in the south. Remember, a class of 15-year-olds know that the White House of Bush (who is a hero to some of them... yech) allowed a fake journalist/ sometime prostitute to enter the press corps. That's a good thing.

to your friends and family. That is entirely understandable.

Back off of them for a while. Bush's continued bluster, combined with his personal and policy failures will soon catch up with him.

People who criticize you today will be eager to find out what they have missed during their period of denial.

Meanwhile, keep yourself well informed on DU so you will have the correct responses when the time comes. :hi:

my husband came around slowly. I guess I'm lucky. Start slow with him and let him read the MSM stuff at first like others suggested. My husband even reads DU at work every day. :)

Also, I'm in Alabama and don't dare talk to people I work with because they are so brainwashed. Yeah, I'm lonley, too. It's hard being one of the only news junkees around.

I'm still new and reading all the time, too. Sometimes I feel consumed.