Illegal immigration idea......Am I crazy, or could this work?

One of the things that a lot of us have been trying to do is to band together against our common adversary, the right wing. I have been thinking a lot about the illegal immigration and how phony the cheap labor conservatives are on the issue. I suspect that they actually favor illegal immigration because of the cheap labor that it provides.

There are two sides to the debate between people who are serious about the issue. One side favors tighter border security and does not want to give benefits to illegal immigrants. The other side favors loosening or opening the borders and giving these immigrants some of the same rights and protections as Americans. There are progressive reasons to be on either side. As we can see by looking by looking at DU threads on the subject, there are progressives on both sides of the issue. While both sides of this debate may disagree with eachother, they do share a common enemy:

Cheap labor conservatives!

Even some more conservative anti-illegal immigration people have had it with the cheap labor conservatives. Some right-leaning talk show hosts are complaining about it on the air! A lot of them are waking up to the fact that the right wing is phony on the issue, choosing profits for business over border security. The other side has a pretty obvious problem with the right wing as well because of how divisive and racially charged the right wing has made the issue.

I know it's a longshot, but can you imagine if both sides came together to find a practical solution to the problem? Just imagine if both side banded together against their common enemy, the cheap labor radical right!

There's absolutely no question that 'the authorities' know who's employing them. Hell, virtually every job-seeker crossing the border knows where to get jobs. It wasn't more than a week ago on CSPAN (or CNN) that two Congressmen (D+R) were discussing it and acknowledged that over 50% of agribusiness laborers are illegal aliens (aka "undocumented workers"). The 'argument' was that "Americans are unwilling to pay more for food." To this, I say BULLSHIT. The American taxpayer is not only subsidizing agribusiness through federal taxes, but is subsidizing agribusiness by leaving the borders open and not policing the employers. It's profits, not cost. Members of Sun Diamond Growers, ConAgra, ADM, and the rest are using cheap labor to both collect profits and put smaller farmers and growers out of business.

Arrest the people doing the hiring, especially the corporate conglomerate executives.

This would be one good way to do it. Making the cheap labor conservatives the no. 1 target might help to make it less of a racially divisive issue.

Republicans on this matter of illegals. If the Republicans who are against illegal immigration can join up with Democrats, both with the goal of protecting jobs of American workers, I think the subject of illegals could be taken care of. There are a lot of GOP types who can't stand Bush because he is doing nothing on this. And if any terrorist gets in from the southern border, while Bush has been lowering the funding for the border patrol, well, all hell will break out against Bush. He will be impeached. The Republicans will go after him.

drug cases. What's most important to these repukes is their money adn if you seize it all and make them destitute, well, they wont be too happy. A few or several big cases will scare the living hell out of the others and I bet these employers of illegals will start hiring Americans again.

Start with Wal-Mart.

those head people in the corporate offices in Arkansas. Make an example. Wal-Mart has so many other employee violations involving discrimination, wages, harassment, etc., in every state and they are so avaricious in their dealings with employees, I am sure they won't get any sympathy except from other employers of illegals.

Corporations are "limited liability" for a reason. Fine. Assess their liability to the absolute limits and confiscate every asset in the whole damned company! (Leave the debts to the owners!)

If 19 criminals hijacking airplanes warrants a war, including the invasion and occupation of two countries, then 30 million illegal aliens crossing our borders constitutes an invasion in every sense of the term and those providing cover for them are traitors!

to felons who over run our health care and food stamp system; who agree to work in one of our factories for less money than they would have to pay me; who over work our education system because they don't know English and only get a few hours a week in English to help them catch up (this monetary burden is on the school system of the state...your taxes). Some illegals have been in this country long enough to have filed for citizenship a long time ago. A plant in my town (Tyson) hires illegals for less than half the wages that they would have to pay me and when they get caught, they pay a small fine and in most cases, the very same illegals come back to work for them within 6 months because they don't have to retrain someone else. The government does nothing more than fine industries. Tyson gets "busted" on average once every two years. Think of the money they have saved in two years on wages and benefits.

Slaps on the wrist are useless, just like when OSHA slaps little fines on employers who are killing employees through unsafe workplaces.

Beef up the fines on these corporations and go after the corporate officers, managers, etc. Take away their mansions, their money.

If entering the country illegally is a felony, then employing such a one is "aiding and abeeting a known felon." And the company should be CRIMINALLY charged as such.

officers.

Who knowingly hire illegal aliens. This enables them to pay them under the table, so they skip on the employment taxes. They pay these guys next to nothing, and of course, there are no benefits. Not to mention that the Freeper in the office treats them like crap. I hate my job.

When 30 million people cross the borders of any country illegally, it's an invasion! I don't give a damned whether they're Mexican, Canadian, British, Chinese, or Russian. It's an invasion. The companies that provide them cover and support are traitors.


Think about it: Nineteen criminals hijack aircraft and crash them into buildings and it warrants a war with the invasion and occupation of two sovereign countries? Thirty million people invading isn't an act of economic war? One-sixth of the citizens of Mexico live in the U.S. There is no other country on the planet with that magnitude of an invasion of another.

http://www.minutemanproject.com/AboutMMP.html


a few days agowhere these people are getting together to help out border patrol observing and reporting the illegals coming in. I don't think this is a white supremacy group, or a vigilante group,but a group that is so sick of what is happening that they are going to observe and report instances of illegal entry to border patrol since border patrol doesn't have enough people. The illegal situation is so totally out of control in this country.

WHat I read on this site is that when illegal hiring is reported to INS, that INS doesn't even come out. They get so many reports I guess.

I read somewhere too that Chinese nationals are some how coming in through Vancouver (off ships?). The border security issue is a very big issue with me and also the fact that Bush has lowered the funds and the number of border agents instead of beefing it up. Drives me nuts! I was reading a border agent's letter on this Minuteman site saying how Bush is closing Border Patrol offices (primal scream).

John McCain said on a newscast recently that he thought there were about 3 million illegals coming here a year. So how many are here? INS estimates about 10 million. I think that has to be vastly understated.

My attitude is people who want to come here should apply legally and WAIT THEIR TURN.

I am also concerned about how many people are here on expired student or work visas. I think there were 300,000 if memory serves correctly,from the Mideast whose visas have expired.

Yes 10 million, 30 million is an invasion, no other country would EVER put up with this. That comic book put out by Senor Vincente Fox's government on how to illegally enter was beyond mind-boggling in gall. A clear violation of the sovereignty of this country. I would like to drop thousands of fliers from a plane on the countries south of Mexico with the same comic book entries and say: Here's how to enter Mexico illegally. Give the Mexican government some of their own medicine. How many millions of illegals would Mexico accept?

And Bush isn't applying enough money to the USA seaports either. Those container ships, especially at our main seaports, should be checked for weapons. Terrorists can blow up our main seaports by having a nuclear or dirty bomb hidden on one of those ships. Certain of our ports, like Port of LA or other large ports on the east coast are sitting ducks.