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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:55 AM
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What are some of your favorite quotes about government and patriotism
just wondering :) tia!
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:57 AM
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1. Dissent is the highest form of pariotism - Jefferson n/t
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:12 AM
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2. freedom is on the march
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:16 AM
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3. patrotism is the last defense to which a scoundrel clings
whats a sweatheart like you doin in a dump like this-zimy
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:25 AM
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4. just so happens
I had a few quotes collected:


-Rabbi Sherwin Wine:
There are two visions of America. One precedes our founding fathers and finds its roots in the harshness of our puritan past. It is very suspicious of freedom, uncomfortable with diversity, hostile to science, unfriendly to reason, contemptuous of personal autonomy. It sees America as a religious nation. It views patriotism as allegiance to God. It secretly adores coercion and conformity. Despite our constitution, despite the legacy of the Enlightenment, it appeals to millions of Americans and threatens our freedom.

The other vision finds its roots in the spirit of our founding revolution and in the leaders of this nation who embraced the age of reason. It loves freedom, encourages diversity, embraces science and affirms the dignity and rights of every individual. It sees America as a moral nation, neither completely religious nor completely secular. It defines patriotism as love of country and of the people who make it strong. It defends all citizens against unjust coercion and irrational conformity.

This second vision is our vision. It is the vision of a free society. We must be bold enough to proclaim it and strong enough to defend it against all its enemies.

-Ralph Waldo Emerson:
When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart.

-Barbara Ehrenreich:
No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

-Carl Schurz:
The peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country -- when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right."

-James Baldwin:
I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually

-David Hume:
The heights of popularity and patriotism are still the beaten road to power and tyranny; flattery to treachery; standing armies to arbitrary government; and the glory of God to the temporal interest of the clergy.

-Goethe:
Patriotism ruins history.

-H. L. Mencken:
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.

-Henry Steele Commager:
Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.

-Hermann Goering:
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. quote verified at snopes.com

-Howard Thurman:
During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism.

-Margaret Chase Smith:
Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character.

-Mark Twain:
The government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

-Mark Twain:
Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let me label you as they may.

-Edith Cavell:
I realise that patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone.

-Edward R. Murrow:
We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

-Emma Goldman:
Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.


-Bob Dylan:
They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they'll throw you in jail, steal alot and they'll make you king.


To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

-- Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918

"Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of slavery." G.B. Shaw

"Patriotism is a kind of religion: It is the egg from which wars are hatched." Guy de Maupassant

"It is lamentable that to be a good patriot we must become the enemy of the rest of mankind." Voltaire

"Guard against impostures of pretended patriotism." George Washington

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." Oscar Wilde

True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else. -- Clarence Seward Darrow

In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated, and Scorned. When his cause succeeds however,the timid join him, For then it costs nothing to be a Patriot. -- Mark Twain

One of the great attractions of patriotism -- it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat. Bully and cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous. -- Aldous Leonard Huxley

A real patriot is the fellow who gets a parking ticket and rejoices that the system works. -- Bill Vaughan

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots. -- Barbara Ehrenreich

Patriotism does not oblige us to acquiesce in the destruction of liberty. Patriotism obliges us to question it, at least. -- Wendy Kaminer

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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:27 AM
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5. "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other
countries because you were born in it"......George Bernard Shaw

"In rivers and bad government, the lightest things swim atthe top"...Ben Franklin.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:30 AM
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6. A few I enjoy....
"Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels" -Samuel Johnson

"You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race." - George Bernard Shaw


"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain

"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."
- Voltaire



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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:23 AM
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7. My favorites
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 09:27 AM by mcscajun
Top of the list for good reason:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

And the others:

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." — Edmund Burke

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." — William Pitt (not our William Pitt - the other, older one)

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." — Dwight D. Eisenhower

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." — Dwight D. Eisenhower

And the next requires a preface: After hearing of the following toast by Stephen Decatur, naval hero of the War of 1812 and the Tripolitan war, John Quincy Adams came up with the perfect rejoinder.

"Our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right, but our country, right or wrong." — Stephen Decatur, April, 1816

"I can never join with my voice in the toast which I see in the papers attributed to one of our gallant naval heroes. I cannot ask of heaven success, even for my country, in a cause where she should be in the wrong. Fiat justitia, pereat coelum <"Let justice be done though heaven should fall" - anonymous, circa 43 B.C.>. My toast would be, may our country always be successful, but whether successful or otherwise, always right." — John Quincy Adams, August 1, 1816




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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:31 AM
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8. Adlai Stevenson said it perfectly for me
"What do we mean by patriotism in the context of our times? I venture to suggest that what we mean is a sense of national responsibility ... a patriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:41 AM
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9. It is the responsibility of every citizen to protect his country from his
government.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:43 AM
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10. "Patriotism is the most foolish of passions, and the passion of fools."
"Man is the only Patriot. He sets himself apart in his own country, under his own flag, and sneers at the other nations, and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people's countries, and keep them from grabbing slices of his. And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood of his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man"- with his mouth.
Mark Twain- "The Lowest Animal"
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:54 AM
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11. "Loyalty to the country, always; loyalty to the government. . .
...when it deserves it." - attributed to Mark Twain

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