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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:59 AM
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Is the damage BushCO is doing to America irreversible?


Say he is able to ram all of these horrible second term agenda items down our throats. When Kerry/Hillary/Gore/Whoever takes the reins in 2008, will it be too late? Will America as we know it be gone forever?

I'm thinking of SS, and this consumption tax proposal, and the bankruptcy bill - that's enough to ruin the middle class, but of course there's so much more damage on the Bush agenda.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:02 AM
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1. We can't go back to what we used to be
which is something no conservative ever quite understands.

What we can do is go forward, reform things so that we can try to prevent monsters from grabbing control, legislate economic justice back into our body of law, and ensure that government is acting on behalf of the people and not the corporate.

Going back would just make us vulnerable to what has already happened to us.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:03 AM
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2. no- but it will take years to repair
we have to invest in this country but that will take the reduction of the arms race across the world..remember the arms race? well it is back thanks to george and merry band of thugs..."democracy comes from the barrel of a gun" to paraphrase chairman mao
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:03 AM
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3. Yes.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:03 AM
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4. I'm beginning to think it is...
at least for a long period. It seems clear to me that this is the presidency that will remove the U.S. from its position of world dominance. Every great civilization has its Nero, and it's painfully obvious that he is ours.

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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:04 AM
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5. Yes, it is. Forget the next 4 years, we won't recover from the first term.
It's clear that their plan is to bankrupt the country and impose some sort of dictatorship, all in the name of patriotism and homeland security. When the sheeple are struggling for bread they'll be easier to manage.

That's domestic policy. Foreign policy will be continued gunboat diplomacy and imperialism.

The sooner we realize how far down the shitter we are, the better we can make decisions...and I don't mean corporate decisions, I mean as individuals...as in, when do you get the hell out?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:05 AM
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6. No.
We recovered from reagan, we can recover from the idiot.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:07 AM
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7. Not as much to America as to the world....
Bush has basically thumbed his nose at the international frameworks that, for better or worse, helped prevent the outbreak of major war on the scale of WWI and WWII for over 50 years. His actions have signaled to the world that America wants to return to the days of settling conflicts by force FIRST, and as a student of history I don't view those times too fondly.

Also, at a time of environmental crisis vis a vis climate change, he has refused to take any meaningful action. The world will pay the price for this as well.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:09 AM
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8. Diplomacy must be restored or that's it as a world leader imo.
We've an extremist eXecutive bRanch today.
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:10 AM
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9. Already America the "Superpower" is no more
China, Japan, EU, India--all are poised to step into the place we've vacated for the sake of enriching corporations. And the sad part is the Neo-cons don't care, so long as they get rich in the process. It's a long long stretch between GW and GWB, but it's over now.
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:16 AM
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10. If we can ever get rid
of this idiot we can recover from him. What truly terrifies me is the prospect of another attack and the neo-con(artist)s declaring martial law or some such.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:16 AM
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11. No, but we need really responsible leadership soon!
the next ten years are going to be very dicey as world oil supplies get tighter. Another Bush-like leader in 2008 will pretty much doom us, I think.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:16 AM
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12. Yes, The Current Destruction Will Require A Creation Of A More Equitable
system.

IMO, things have gotten to the point that what follows will be very different then what went before... and this CAN be a GOOD thing.

In other words, evolution and progress often require periods of upheaval and pain.

That's just Life.
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lutherj Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:17 AM
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13. I'd say it depends on public opinion when Bush goes out. If his
administration finally crashes and burns and there is widespread shift in public perception like there was after watergate, then most of Bush's record could be reversed. Laws can be repealed, SS privatization can be reversed, and justices can be impeached.

However, I don't think it's likely. I think the US economy will sink under Bush's debts before we can dig our way out. And if we manage to get a democratic administration into office, it'll be with a narrow margin, and the republicans will be a pack of dogs trying to take it down every day. The concentration of wealth will be so extreem that the only way to correct the imbalance in the long run would be through governmental redistribution, i.e. socialism. Ironically, I think Bush is setting us up for a socialist revolution.

(Just my opinion.)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:17 AM
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14. we can always start over
i am not afraid of hard work
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:19 AM
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15. I think it is.
This is a managed democracy now. What we see on TV is mostly an illusion. Most of his followers see the facade shown on the news and in the papers and call it real.

Even my friend in Belgium said it was nice Bush was trying to be friendly on his recent visit there. And he thought Rumsfeld would never approve of torture.

I think it is too late.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:23 AM
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16. I see it in the light of, "Is the damage from the tsunami irreversable?"
Yes and no. There is major damage, destruction and many dead as a result of bush. We can't bring back the dead but we can clean up the mess and install early waring systems to avoid another catastrphy.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:40 AM
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17. environmentally, yes
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 11:43 AM by blindpig
Human affairs can always be corrected or compensated for, though it may be difficult. An extinct species is gone forever, forget that Jurassic Park nonsense. The bu$h program is neglectful of current attempts to mitigate our awful treatment of this planet and its nonhuman inhabitants and is going full bore in the opposite direction.

If there is a future for the human race, which I'm doubting more & more daily, the Great Extinction which we are madly accelerating might be the least forgivable of our faults to those folks of the future.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:45 AM
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18. I think it will take a long time to repair the damage
A very long time, when you consider how Bush is stacking the judiciary and will appoint at least one Supreme Court justice.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:53 AM
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19. The Neo-Cons will outlast the EverReady bunny.
There is a certain stamina that accompanies insanity. I believe it is entirely possible that long term damage has already been done to America. Only time will tell if any is irreversible.

The bushtapo may actually be trying to incite a civil war. Then they could declare martial law and suspend elections. How about 10 more years of the evil shrub?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:56 AM
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20. No -- Absolutely Not
The US has many strengths. Bush's policies hurt, but the country has been in worse shape before.
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