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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:57 AM
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After Iraq, what Du'ers actually buy the Iran threat
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 12:00 PM by clem_c_rock
This has been completely mind boggling. I've watched many DU'ers arguing tooth and nail that the Iran threat is actually real and is completely different after the lies (not intelligence failures folks, let's be accurate here and use the word LIE from now on), we were told to justify the Iraq war.

After 20 consecutive lies, why are folks so willing to bet their last dollar the 21th story is the truth?
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:58 AM
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1. Hey, I didn't buy the IRAQ bushwa n/t
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:29 PM
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10. I didn't "buy" Desert Storm! Remember ole April Glasbie, what was THAT
about???
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:00 PM
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2. I must have missed those posts.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:42 PM
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14. Oh - actually, there are quite a few of them
And I always have a good time getting in arguments when I find them.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:12 PM
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18. It's ridiculous to consider ANY country a threat to the US.
The US will not be attacked by Iran or North Korea or any other nation. The US spends more on it's military then the rest of the world combined. Any attack against the US would result in immediate and devastating retaliation.

Deterrence works. Anyone who believes these countries to be a threat isn't thinking.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:00 PM
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3. I never bought into the Iraq BS!
I was always against the Iraqi War and for dealing with real terrorists. That's why I backed Bob Graham at first. There is no need to go into Iran now.
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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:00 PM
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4. I didn't buy Iraq and I don't buy Iran either. n/t
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:00 PM
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5. The threat is real to Israel, not the United States
That means, our men and women shouldn't be sent to die because the threat isn't to the US...

the oath that you take when you enlist in the military is to "protect the united states from all enemies foreign and domestic".
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:10 PM
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8. Why a threat to Israel is a threat to U.S.
Israel is our permanently stationed battleship in the middle East. It is not an accident that a country with little economic force has one of the top five air forces in the world and one of the best trained and equipped armies. The U.S. wants it that way and any threat to Israel is seen as a threat to the U.S. and that may be the reason Iraq (now Iran) was called an imminent threat.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:51 PM
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12. McGovern: OIL = Oil, Israel, Logistics
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:01 PM
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6. One possibility
is they might be strong supporters of Israel and see Iran as the next logical target, since they are an enemy of Israel.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:06 PM
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7. I am a bit afraid but it's because of my gender
The thought of being treated the way that many Muslim women are treated frightens me a great deal. I am afraid of Iran having nukes because I don't like any tool that makes it even remotely more possible that they could one day take my human rights away.

But should we invade? NO! I think we should promote democracy through non-violent means.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:23 PM
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9. So Iran, if it supposedly aquires a few nukes
(and let's be realistic, technically caveman nukes numbering less than 10) is going to turn themselves into a radioactive crater about 10 miles deep by attacking the US??

This is laughably moronic.

Let's read more of the PNAC agenda and get a realistic picture of what's really going on. For god's sake, they post it right in everyone's face, have executed it nearly line for line in the past 4 years, and we still are talking like's it's about terrorism and spreading democracy.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:48 PM
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15. You are 100% correct
Not enough is reported about the PNAC...
That think tank is the playbook for this administrations foreign policy.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:15 PM
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19. Even if Iran had nukes and the ability to deliver them
it is silly to think that they would do so. The US has many THOUSANDS of nukes and the ability to deliver them quickly and precisely. This is called deterrence and it works.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:20 PM
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20. So, you believe that Iran is planning to invade the USA &
forcibly convert us all to Islam? Please.

Iranian women have more rights than the women of Saudi Arabia--or most of Afghanistan. And they want to continue to improve their lot, but the old religious farts oppose them. Iran is a democracy, although not a perfect one. (Hey, it's not as if that "voting" thing always works right over here!)

Given time, the situation will improve in Iran. The younger generation is quite numerous. But bombing, invasion & occupation will not help anyone.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:36 PM
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21. No, and that's not what I wrote
but no one else is actually reading my post either, so don't feel bad.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:50 PM
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22. You fear the Iranians taking your rights away....
You have more to fear from the old men on this continent.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:56 PM
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23. question about your prior post, I'm trying to understand clearly.
When you say "that they could one day take my human rights away", who do you mean by they (or rather, who is they?) that would take your human rights away and treat you like many Muslim women are treated? And how does Iran having nukes tie in with this? I'm trying to figure out more clearly what you are saying before responding just as others have responded. Thanks.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:41 PM
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11. After Iraq, how many Iranians buy the American threat?
I certainly think that we pose much more of a threat to them then they do to us.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 12:54 PM
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13. My momma didn't raise no fool
If Bush told me the time of day, I'd double check it with another source.

Fool me once...
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:04 PM
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16. I have no doubt they are pursuing nukes...why wouldn't they?....
but that's no reason to launch an invasion. They are absolutely no direct threat to the U.S., any more than Iraq was.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 02:06 PM
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17. And w/ the PNAC running around exercising their agenda
Wouldn't you want to get a nuke too?
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