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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:55 PM
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Terminally ill people should be allowed to die with physicians' help.
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 05:57 PM by HypnoToad
Please discuss.

The woman trapped in a comatose body; life as a vegetable. Stick a tube down her because God prefers it thatway.

People braindamaged. Well, Jesus would hate that even though he also helps sports teams win. Why not?

Failed surgery? Seems more fitting than a life of agony. What is life if the quality of life is not there?

Mentally retarded? Good riddance. (sorry, but I was wrongfully put into "special education", surrounded by the lot of them and, not giving out any examples, the experience was scarring enough...)

People with severe depression, especially after the only life altering event that matters: Loss of job. Definitely pop them a terminal pill. (there's a subcategory in there worthy of discussion too.)

I'm for it. Why aren't you? And if you're against it, would you take such people under your care, since you want them to live?

Especially as we're about to enter, or have already passed "peak oil". 6 billion people, yet alone many of America's 350 million cannot live without oil. It's as simple as that.

And right now the oil companies are having a field day. But unlike the public toward sports teams, raising the price of the commodity too much WILL drive people away for good. And oil isn't a frigging hockey or baseball team. We need it for our very survival in the more extreme climates, or even in the temperate ones depending on the situation.

There. Two topics for the price of one.

Edit: Subject line
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:57 PM
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1. A society is judged by the compassion it shows its citizens.
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 06:03 PM by Lars39
An excellent national healthcare system would help iron out some of the problems we're facing now.
Might take a generation or two of progress, though, to break some cycles.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:58 PM
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2. poor HypnoToad
scarred for life

:hug:
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:58 PM
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3. I'm feeling irony-challenged today.
Is this a serious post?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:01 PM
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4. You tell me. Perception is nine tenths of the law.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:08 PM
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5. Well, I'll make this simple for you.
It is a serious post.

Utterly.

No jokes or bones about it. I am dead serious on this. Eh, no pun intended, but I am serious. No jive turkey here.

Now do you get it?
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:25 PM
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7. Your opinion on people with mental retardation is medieval.
If you truly meant it, then I'm done with this.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:32 PM
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8. Our lives are formed by our experiences. Your life must've been easier.
I'm done with this too. :eyes:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:37 PM
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10. This was a serious post. One to incite SERIOUS DISCUSSION from BOTH sides.
Okay, now I'm done with it.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:47 PM
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12. Down Syndrome Might just be the top of the Karmic wheel.


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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:23 PM
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6. Euthanasia should absolutely be legalized
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 06:25 PM by Rabrrrrrr
I am totally in favor of it, though I am in favor out of a sense of compassion for people, and not so much because we have enough people already (though that is a definite benefit of euthanasia), since the only real benefit that should ever be applied to the equation is that people should have a right to end their lives when they want to, and have the right to end it in the way they want to, and have the right to die with dignity, and/or decide that their life doesn't have enough "quality", and we let the individual decide what "dignity" and "quality" means to them.

The saddest, most cruel thing we can do to people is to force them to live.

(though I am not in favor of forced euthanasia on the mentally retarded)

p.s. - I know some johnny-knows-best almighty-wise assmunch is going to flame me for not putting enough "parameters" on my thinking in terms of "what about the comatose?" and "What about those who are confused?" and yada yada yada - to you I say, grow up and realize that I made my argument in one paragraph, not in 400 pages.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:35 PM
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9. Of course compassion is an issue. There's more to life than the stone cold
'practical' reasons.

I would readily volunteer to die if it would help save others' quality of lives, though preferably if it was reasonably painless. Indeed, ever see the Sliders episode "Luck of the Draw"? Really thoughtful stuff that the wingnuts mindlessly denounced, as usual...

Pity that other chap felt so above-everybody-else that he dropped out, he'd be surprised by my response here.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:46 PM
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11. Quietly and without fanfare, people have been letting terminally
ill patients die with dignity and without pain through hospice care. Food and drink is withheld and pain killers administered until the dying person slips away. It is sometimes crueler to extend life through extreme means, especially if there is no improved quality of life and if, as happens sometimes, that life is only extended for a short time more than dying naturally.

I know that some people balk at the idea, but it is fairly common practice and I have personally know many people who have been allowed to die serenely like this.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:48 PM
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13. Yep. Nurses do this all the time, so I hear.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:06 PM
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14. Define 'euthanasia'
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 07:07 PM by Padraig18
If you mean taking active steps to end a person's life, then I am unalterably opposed. If you mean withdrawing artificial life support, increasing pain meds to merciful levels, even though it may hasten death, etc., then I agree.

The devil's in the details.
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