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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 05:57 PM
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A quote from Full Metal Jacket that sums up conservative thinking re: Iraq
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 06:02 PM by Sandpiper
"We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out."

--Colonel to Private Joker


The imperial hubris of the right summed up in one sentence.


They truly believe that invaded peoples are always grateful for our invasion, because deep down, they all wish they were more like us.
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Midnight Rambler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:03 PM
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1. I think that's also applicable to race relations
i.e. inside every Black/Mexican/Muslim/etc there is a white man. Assimilate and convert or get your ass out of here.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:10 AM
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27. I TOTALLY do not agree with you.
Man, I live in a part of Houston with a lot of Asians, with Mexicans and African Americans also in my neighborhood, and we live in harmony for the most part. Nothing wrong here! I embrace differences!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:12 PM
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2. Another quote from FMJ. Drill Sgt. Hartman ...
"You had best un-fuck yourself or I will un-screw your head and shit down your neck!"

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/jacket2.html
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:14 PM
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3. "You'd better get your ass and your head wired together.."
"...or I WILL take a giant SHIT on you."
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stinkeefresh Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:15 PM
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4. what a film
Have you nopticed that the color scheme of the entire movie boils down to green changing to red? At first there is tons of green, but no red. Then, slowly, the color red is introduced into the imagery. It grows in it's presence until the final scene, in the burning building, where you are surrounded by red but there is no green to speak of.

Just an interesting tid-bit from a film geek.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:16 PM
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5. Great Observation.
:)
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:22 PM
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8. A Must See Movie...
The best Vietnam genre film...period. And the relevency to today is scary. Remove Vietnamese and replace the word Irqi...gook with Moslem, "Charlie" with insurgent and commie with Islam and you have the neo-con replay.

Recently I watched the film with my 17 year old son and some of his friends. They were rivited to the film and the true underyling anti-war message Kubrick put in there. The dehumanization of the training process and the dehumanization of war. This isn't Mortal Kombat.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:27 PM
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9. Best Vietnam film as far as political and ideological
standpoints for sure. But as far as showing the insanity of war Apocolypse Now has it hands down....
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:20 PM
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23. No. IMHO, having served 365 in Vietnam, Republic of .. the best film is:
Hamburger Hill (aka Dong Ap Bai). A Shau Valley. As familiar to me in 2005 as the back of my hand. The battle of Dong Ap Bai (Hamburger Hill .. hill 937) pushed Ted Kennedy to his quintessential anti-war speech in May, 1969.

http://www.ehistory.com/vietnam/essays/battlecommand/index.cfm


Hamburger Hill
SW A Shau Valley
DemoTex Country
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:53 AM
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29. This one?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093137/

RL
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:03 AM
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30. That's it. Here are some photos from the film ...

Fast-movers drop snake and nape.


Hell-on-earth


More nape.


Wasteland of war.


NVA bunker.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:04 AM
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31. I always thought this film didn't get the attention
it deserved...

RL
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:28 PM
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10. As an ex-jarhead
they got the boot camp scenes pretty close to the way I remember it.....
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:53 PM
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13. Amen! I went to Navy RTC in Great Lakes - '66
FMJ is the movie that shows closer than any what Boot Camp is really like. Except for the single love tap to Cowboy's solar plexus.
That Mr. Nice Guy version Jack Webb made in the '50s is almost like the recruiters' ads.
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nguoihue Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:01 PM
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17. FMJ boot camp scenes
Pretty realistic but I recall our bunks being much closer together than in the movie. Barely enough space to step between them. P.I. in early '67.

Lost interest in the second half of the film. Didn't look anything like Hue City and the combat scenes and dialog didn't seem realistic, at least not to my experiences.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:20 PM
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34. Me too
THAT definitely gets my attention. I keep wondering if I really did live through that shit.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:19 PM
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6. "What do we get for $10?"
"Everything you want."

"EVERYthing?!?"

"EVERYTHING!"
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:52 PM
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14. Five dolla too beaucoup!
Be glad to trade ya some ARVN rifles. Never been fired and only dropped once!
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:57 PM
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15. "No BOOM BOOM Soul Brother."
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:21 PM
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7. "He shot Kennedy, sir, from that book suppository."
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:29 PM
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11. "This is for fighting! This is for fun!"
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 06:42 PM
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12. "Sometimes it is necessary to destroy a village...
...in order to save it."

Not from the movie, but an actual quote from a Vietnam-era US general.
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nguoihue Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:13 PM
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20. destroy the town to save it
".. mad logic seemed to be epitomized by the remark of an American major to Peter Arnett after much of Ben Tre had been turned into broken bricks and cinders: 'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.'" from A Bright Shining Lie by Neil Sheehan.

Sounds much like the bullshit logic for the destruction of Falluja to "break the back of the insurgency".
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:44 AM
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28. Actually...
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 09:46 AM by kiki
...there's quite a good metaphor for this sort of thing in The Matrix, in the 'Agent Simulation' scene. Fishburne goes into a speech about how everybody in the Matrix is potentially an "agent" of the oppressive power and how they don't even know it; how they think they're "free" but really they're not (and, by implication, they're merely "sheep" and it's no great loss if they get killed); and how, painful as it is, if it's necessary to kill every one of these "innocents" to achieve the greater good, then so be it.

I'm not saying The Matrix is a right-wing movie, by the way; I don't think it is. But the Vietnam "fish in water" analogy is definitely there.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 07:58 PM
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16. "How tall are you, private?"
"I didn't know they stacked shit that high!"
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:12 PM
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19. I shot at my Drill Sgt.
Of course my rifle was loaded with blanks but he got the message. He never abused me again. In fact, he never spoke to me again.
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:02 PM
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18. Great film.. and another difference between dems and repugs:
I think the hard-core Bush-groupies think that Full Metal Jacket has a happy ending. If I was any kind of writer, I could do a pretty decent editorial around that theme...
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 10:59 PM
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21. Let's see the motherfucker.
Do you have the shit?
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:14 PM
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22. My favorite quote from Full Metal Jacket
Do you suck dick?
Sir No Sir
Are you a penis sucker?
Sir No Sir
I bet your the kinda guy that would fuck another guy in the ass
and not give em the goddamn common courtesy to give em a reach around!
I'll be watch in You!
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:59 PM
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24. JOKER: Are those live rounds?
PYLE: Seven-six-two millimeter, full metal jacket.

<PYLE smiles grotesquely.>
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:57 AM
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25. If you doubt the realism...
.. of "Jacket".. remember it comes from the book "The Short Timers" by Gustav Hasford. Hasford lived it.

My senior DI was like Hartman.. only black. Looked - and talked - like Satan. I'd never have shot him.. unless I had a silver bullet and followed it up with a wooden stake!
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:06 AM
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26. It was very realistic
I lived it and I'm glad I did.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:29 AM
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32. A good quick read
Second half considerable different from FMJ though.

Do you think so?

180

M I C K E Y M O U S E...The war for the Mickey Mouse Club Generation.

Sigh.

180
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:25 AM
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33. I read that book
When the movie came out and I was watching it, I didn't know it had came from that book, but, I started recognizing scenes. I'll have to find it and read it again.
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