Gannon Wrinkles, Part 7

#6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3218095

#5:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3214059&mesg_id=3214059

#4:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3196579&mesg_id=3196579&page=

#3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3161296

#2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3155132

#1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3144209

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Now I get to ask:

why does everybody say he is too old be 47?

He was in the marines, and not to perpetrate a stereotype, but if he was any good at being a gay hustler, he probably worked out a lot.

What is the origin of the Gosch theory? And why is not discredited yet? It is such a wild goose chase. According to dKosopedia, it started on Rense (a LaRouchian web site praised by white supremacists), but according to other people it started before that.

Here's a diary I wrote on DailyKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/3/22513/75463

If the fact that J.D. Guckert graduated from West Chester University in 1980, making him 22, and from Conneaut Lake High School in 1975 isn't enough to prove that he was born in 1957 or 1958, who can tell me actual real evidence of his birthyear (and what day would be nice, too).

Are these "wrinkles" anything more than Gosch threads? Poor Johnny Gosch, wherever he really is.

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And remember, nobody better equate homosexuality with pedophilia, or we'll get this thread locked like the last one.

If I didn't have my wrinkle fix to come to. There's so much information in these threads, even if you don't believe in the Guckert/Gannon/Gosch connections.

I wonder how many wrinkles there are going to be when it's all said and done, 30, 40, 50, 100?

HA-HA!

what's going to happen now?

Edit: it was unlocked at 6:33 (or that was the first post after it was unlocked) the same time I posted this thread.

I have obscured the data that could be used to harass him...
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THIS DATA IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY

PERSON LOCATOR - P-CNSR

Copyright 2003 infoUSA Inc., All Rights Reserved.

Name: GUCKERT, JAMES D (MALE)

Address:
xxxx KENNETT PIKE
WILMINGTON, DE 19807-xxxx
County: DE NEW CASTLE
Latitude: 39.81
Longitude: -75.61
Address Type: HOUSE NUMBER & STREET NAME
Address Created: 1987



Previous Addresses:
xxxx KENNETT PIKE # xxxxx
WILMINGTON, DE 19807-xxxx
County: DE NEW CASTLE
Latitude: 39.81
Longitude: -75.61
Address Type: HOUSE NUMBER & STREET NAME
Address Created: 1987




xxxx KENNETT PIKE
WILMINGTON, DE 19807-xxxx
County: DE NEW CASTLE
Latitude: 39.81
Longitude: -75.61
Address Type: HOUSE NUMBER & STREET NAME
Address Created: 1987



Birthdate: 5/1957

Telephone: (302) 655-xxxx

Telephone Type: VOICE LINE

except for the xxxx, of course

He's moved by now if he has any sense whatsoever, anyway.

.....thank you for not posting either the address # or phone #.

Peace.


TBO;24/7

I don't want to give the FBI (who is likely watching it by now) any more reason to pay attention to me than they already have.

Here are a few siteings

No JDG in these though
<http://www.tkema.com/minutes/Minutes-2004Nov21.pdf>
<http://www.tkema.com/news_letters/Newsletter-2005January.pdf>

we're not vigilantes

I want him alive.

Alive we can perhaps force him to spill the beans on how it is that he came to be fucking the President.

especially if you're vain. Tell people you're older than you are eand they're impressed with you.

and a phony "plant."

Ex-White House reporter spotlighted her 'bin Laden' remark

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D., Toledo) believes the man who helped thrust her remarks two years ago comparing Osama bin Laden to American revolutionaries into national prominence is nothing more than a "double-agent" and a "phony plant."

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050304/NEWS09/503040327

Why is it that NOBODY, ABSOLUTELY NOBODY
has stepped up, tried to sell a story, or virtually admit that they knew this man when he was a teenager or a young adult? Think about his recent behavior patterns. This guy is NO WALLFLOWER! He's brazen, obnoxious and an in-your-face loudmouth. Yet, NOBODY knew this idiot when he was younger? Think back for a moment. How many of us knew guys (and girls, for that matter) like this 20 or so years ago? Don't we remember something about them because of their "need to be in the spotlight"...and their abrasive, cocky persona? Hell, I can recall of few of those jackasses firsthand! Was this guy just beamed down 20 years ago, or what? This is what troubles me. Where the hell is the history on this jerk?

He claims to be a devout Christian, correct? Where are his fellow parishioners, his pastors, etc.? Didn't he have a job to support himself throughout his late teens and twenties? However, we have no previous employers, no ex-employees, no acquaintances...no nada! I find the lack of history questionable, at best!

I'd be all over that like white on rice.

Thought he was CIA.

http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2005/02/guckertgannons.htm

This says to me that he pretty much came out of nowhere and not even the people from the fraternity knew who he was.

Have even mentioned it a few times. It is really beginning to seem that bush has served his purpose to the machine that pulls his strings. Watergate? maybe.

Sometimes I wonder if he isn't making himself visible so he can stay visible. But again, I'm addled about the whole possibility.

Just like repeating that his family was harassed? What if you wanted to send a clear signal that you were not alone? Trying to be careful how I put stuff.

:tinfoilhat: I think I've got what you've got. Peace.

http://www.rodneyanonymous.com/archives/00000142.htm

On Edit: Better Link

From the blog:

"Then two things happened. The first was that I learned that Guckert/Gannon is an alumnus of the same collage as me - West Chester University (The official college of High School dropouts). As it turned out, Jeff/James and I attended WCU at the same time. Since Guckannon was a member
(in the fullest sense of the word) of the TKE fraternity, it's very likely that he beat me up on at least two occasions (For free! Nowadays Jeffames would charge at least $400 for that kind of action. Plus another $50 for a "Happy ending.") Wow, brush with fame"

---He LEARNED that he went there - not that he remembered...I find that interesting.

I love that.

Kire (Class of 2004)

Who says nobody knows Guckie? Maybe no one who reads DU. But is there some national call for information about him that is drawing a blank?

Also, could someone post a picture of Gosch Senior that 'posedly looks like Guckert. Also can someone do an animated morph of the two pictures ( Guckert and Gosch) like was done with the the two bin Laden pictures, which demonstrate to me that the last Rovian pre-election tape was an October (or was it November) Surprise.

Also, what does Ari F say about when Gannon came to the WH? Jon Stewart had him on last night but failed to ask him about Guckie.

The WH could have gotten their shill from legitimate ( I mean mainstream) news agencies. They do it all the time. I mean goons like Novak are bought...so why a nobody? I tend to think the shill reporter job was his cover for being in the WH regularly. I suspect his primary purpose was to service some one in the WH. Maybe Scotty, or Karl or perhaps, egad no, George. How can we expose this. I think only a gay sex scandal could bring monkeyboy down. Genocide and war crimes don't seem to be doing the trick. Also, what is the evidence that Victor Ashe and the commander'n' chimp are/were sex partners?

And lastly, cause I don't post that often, I just wanna say that I hate that fucker bush, and will dance in the street the day he is deposed.

I may disagree with him on everything under the sun, but he's playing with some really ugly folks,

Honestly! Could not agree with you more. Why isn't anyone asking these particulars???

Not 1 person has stepped-up. Not 1??? LIke he never existed to begin with?? It is more than troubling.

:kick:

They want us to let this die. I sad "HELL NO!"

:think:

Appartently it was in turmoil during the 80's. I wonder what happened.

On January 11, 1969, 58 men were initiated into the bond of Tau Kappa Epsilon at West Chester State College. Consistent with the principals upon which this fraternity was founded, the first initiates of the Mu- Alpha chapter were a diverse group of individuals. Studying in many different fields, the fraters of the new chapter honored each other for their individual characteristics, and utilized each frater's distinct qualities to succeed. They were musicians, athletes, and scientists and through their brotherhood, quickly became one of the most respected fraternities on campus.

As the state college expanded, so did the brotherhood of Mu Alpha. With a large number of fraters and high campus involvement, TKE's success continued throughout the 70's. The fraters held positions in Student Government, participated in varsity athletics, and were very successful in interfraternity competitions. During the 80's though the high status of Mu-Alpha began to decline and by the late 80's things were bleak. The chapter house was near condemned and the charter was near revocation. Despite the best efforts of the chapter, including eight hundred hours of community service in one year, the charter was surrendered in 1989 and the first installment of TKE-MA was ended.

(more)

http://iws.wcupa.edu/stu/tke/History%20of%20TKE.htm

Started right here at DU with the "A new wrinkle in the gannongate story" Started by me. If you go to the first thread and begin there you will see that it predates the Rense article.

Andy

Feb 19
Andy starts thread based on speculation he is connected with notoriously suspectd CIA call service

Sat Feb-19-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. OMG read this link!!!! Much more than Gannon being J. Daniels
First mention of Franklin scandal

Sun Feb-20-05 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #90
130. What is Gannon/Guckert's personal history??
First specualtion of Gosch connection

Thompson dead later that day
Hunter Stockton Thompson (July 18, 1937 – February 20, 2005)

was the first to ask if Gannon is Gosch. I'll need to go back and find the post number.

I wanted to take a look at the authorship of "Gannon's" work for lots of reasons. One, it might point to how connected he is with really skillful political operatives. Two, might give us a sense of the history since he's being "reporting". Three, might give us an idea about what is happening NOW.

1. Gannon probably was provided with his White House “reports” . There’s nothing remotely resembling the rest of his work in the policy papers.

2. It looks like at least two people are writing the rest. I’m calling them Rational Guy and Personal Guy (where “guy” isn’t gendered). The “rest” is 1) posts to FR and 2) sundry articles for Talon and 3) The new website.

a. Personal guy is not a good proofreader, uses adjectives like a grad student and in general, has a more “personal” sounding voice. Personal guy is doing most of the writing at the website. He’s the one that wrote, “I’m baaaaaaaaaaaavck!” on the homepage.

b. Rational guy seems to have been the poster at FR; he is a little stilted. He probably wrote the JDG profile for Conservative Guy:

"I've been a preppie, a yuppie, blue-collar, green-collar and white-collar. I've served in the military, graduated from college, taught in the public school system, was a union truck driver, a management consultant, a fitness instructor and an entrepreneur. I'm a two-holiday Christian and I usually vote Republican because they most often support conservative positions.”


3. Sometimes they seem to write together, as in the piece on David Shuster: http://www.jeffgannon.com/Column%20archive/shuster.htm

I’ve no idea if either of these people is JDG. I’m going to read the transcripts of the interviews, and maybe get some more info from that. Okay, t ranscripts sound more like Rational Guy – but transcribed speech and written text are apples and oranges. JDG may be Rational Guy but I need to read more to really have a reasonable guess.

Personal guy seems to be writing most of the stuff on the site up to yesterday (3/3).

The new Gannon website is using Front Page, so this isn’t a well funded enterprise.

I don't know where to find the conservative guy posts. TroubleinWinter, anyone? Like to read them because it's hard to believe the writing skill I've been reading from all of these different authoring situations is JGD - but, that's opinion, not analysis.

(There are many puzzles here. I'm almost afraid to go look at GOPUSA, although I guess I will after getting a bigger sample for JDG on the discussion boards.)

/typos

Or did it end up being a different Gannon?

I have copied the library of Gannon Stories from it.

Well, what if you were recruited by a very special company while on campus and were told that was the first step?

:shrug:

You're right. It may not be unusual. But, many people go to college so they won't have to enlist. Class thing, maybe :)

1968, I think it was

Edit: I remember he said that it was one of his Fraternity brothers who turned him on to the idea, too.

If he had a low draft number, enlisting was a good idea . . . either that or emigrating to Canada, if he couldn't get a 4F.

so, yeah, really smart, eh?

he was a supply officer, in charge of airplane parts, I forget exactly where, but he was on one base pretty much all four years

Supposedly college grads who enlisted were better off than the draftees.

remember really. :eyes:

It was kinda crazy for young guys ( hell for all of us!) back then.....for sure....a different crazy but still crazy.....

My first husband was drafted in 1972, and all of us offered him money, plans, ANYTHING, for him not to show up at the intake center. He was just all wrong for military service, as well as being all wrong as anyone was to be killed for such a project.

But, we're still here. :toast:

And good thing, too. As it seems we're about to have a flashback, er, rerun. Feels good to have something to offer the babes.

the military as an officer with a college degree. I don't know about everybody, but nurses enter as a Lt. even if they are only an LPN. I think RNs enter at a higher rank.

Spend four years in the military and they pay off your student loans.

Until monkeyboy decided starting illegal wars was fun, it was a good deal.

Enlisted: Means you are well, Enlisted. Very few people with degrees are enlisted, and most of them obtained the degree while in service. You are not an officer, you do not serve at the pleasure of the president. You will not be found anywhere near an officer's club except in servitude. Pay grades begin with the letter E. You must salute officers. When you leave you are discharged.

Warrant Officer: A weird group of ranks that usually denotes hard won experience in a specific field. You are an officer, but do not technically serve at the pleasure of the president. He can still fire your ass. Pay grades begin with the letter W. You also must salute officers. When you leave you are discharged.

Officer: You receive a commission as an officer and a gentleman from congress (a rubber-stamp process) and serve at the pleasure. You are saluted by W and E and have to put up with a draconian social protocol. Pay grades begin with O. You must salute officers of higher rank. When you leave you resign, unless you retire. When you retire, you don't really leave.

Thus the old joke, the difference between an officer and a warrant officer is a W doesn't have to behave.

For the pedantic, here is a chart. Being somewhat pedantic myself I took note that the rank of Commodore is not there, if memory serves, it is AKA Rear Admiral (Lower Half).

Many entering service after college are fulfilling ROTC obligations. The government has paid tuition in return for future service. If you have a degree, odds are that you can obtain a commission. You will not have a military academy ring, which lacking that will hinder your career should you wish to someday retire.

I'm not even going to get into Franking, where you appear to be one rank and are paid at a lower rank.

-Hoot

There is still plenty to investigate in this story. With the information about gay prostitutes getting midnight tours of the White House during the first Bush administration, then the Gannon/Guckert story during the second Bush administration, it seems very fishy to me. Something's going on, and we need to find out what it is.

It was speculated awhile back that some satanism and some other heinous crimes (example Manson) are psyops to keep people scared.

So this Gannon and perhaps the Gosch tale is suggestive of a power cult.

This isn't about sex (i.e. making love) this is about domination and terrorization.

We see echoes of it then show up in the S&M treatment of the Iraqi prisoners.

If we look to the root of Satanism, it was said to have been created by LeVay to undo the opressive effects of Catholocism. So his method was inversion - he wanted to produce an opposite of everything in Catholocism. The pentacle is upside down, for example.

SO this fits with the perverse orwellian inversion of everything Bush sells as "good". "saving" social security, spreading "freedom" to every corner of the globe, no child left behind, etc. they all do the exact opposite of what they are sold as.

Furthermore we have the tendency of the Bush propaganda machine to paint their enemies with their own weaknesses - "Kerry was a traitor not a hero", for example; thus - "Michael Jackson and the Catholic church are the pedophiles, not us".

My suggestion stretched back to ritual sacrifice in ancient culture. It must have been effective in scaring the crap out of the forced observers to the extent of keeping them in line.

The crucifixion is about terror, not about the teachings of Christ.

And so on.

Okay, getting creeped out again. :scared:

I have been creeped out about this whole affair for at lest 5 years.

Maybe this time, resolution.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

:grouphug:

I didn't realize the other thread closed so fast, so I'll repost my post :)

It was in response to the red-shirt pic of Guckert

****
Hey all,

I've been reading these Guckert threads, and you have some interesting discussion.

Just thought I'd pop in and say a few things.

(1) this picture was already discussed, a while ago, on dkos. it is guckert, and yes, he was a member of TKE, and yes, he did say he was "entertaining tony blair."

(2) he was an advisor, so that is why he looks older.

(3) yes, he did get a degree in 1980. we've already verfied this.

Please, look over susang's diaries:

http://www.dailykos.com/user/SusanG

there is A LOT of information covered there that answers most of the questions I have seen.

****

Good luck with your investigation :)

to get used to because I just wasted an hour and came across nothing that explains anything here.

Can you post which story to start in and direct me to specfic posts?

Thanks.


TBO;24/7

as far as I know.

...confirming. That's the longest interval since 26 Jan 2005, if I'm not mistaken. The appearance of the website and the lack of appearances of him are obviously of concern. I hope we 'see' him real soon.

Peace.


TBO;24/7

{{sarcasm}}}

I do find it odd that Gannon-Gerkin is not listed on the fraternity's site listing their fellow TKE's that are/were in the military.

If he loved his frat so much that he returned in 2001 for that special dance and was it's web master, you would think he would have added his name to the list. http://www.ryic.com/dev/tkemil/

You are assuming that Guckert and Gannon are the same people. We are merely theorizing that Gannon assumed Guckert's identity. A younger person could pretend to be older and go to the frat parties and be a big brother to the pledges. What better way to learn about new pledges and recruit folks for your purposes but to use the connection of a frat?

How many TKE's did Gannon/Guckert convince to join the military?

Your professor may find photos of guckert, but that may not make him gannon.

:shrug: Just theories.

"A younger person could pretend to be older and go to the frat parties and be a big brother to the pledges. What better way to learn about new pledges and recruit folks for your purposes but to use the connection of a frat?"

on his chest, he posts at military porn sites, he boasts of being a marine, yet he is not listed on TKE's military homage site?

Did they wipe that clean too?

The minute reference from the TKE May 2004 meeting that is referenced on this blog is very interesting indeed! http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2005/02/guckertgannons.htm

....remove the fact that, within the past year, he was a 'big brother' to Joshua A Rohan who is still enrolled at WCU. He certainly should know something about "J.D. Guckert."

Peace.


TBO;24/7

jimmy jeff served??
i am not saying discharge stuff but just records that he served in marines??

fly

available via FOIA requests. I could be wrong...but I don't think so.

dispassionate, don't you think?

maybe not. Frats are notorious for being loyal to their frat brothers.

I think that's what gets to me more than anything. WhoEVER JDG is, and you know who I believe he is, his m.o. is of someone who systematically puts himself in a position of servitude disguised as a condescending @sshole.

And the disguise is about half an inch deep. Maybe something along the lines of the hegemony of the oppressed, i.e.. what you suffer, you will attempt to enact.

but now that you mention it...yes.

(Oh, geez, now I sound like The Magistrate. lol -- whose diction I greatly admire :) "Thou are to continue, thou knave, thou art to continue." Elbow, Measure For Measure)

It's the coercion at the root of it all, for me anyway, even when people look like they're acting out of their own volition.

He certainly does have a way with words.

TM is a bit too archaic for my tastes, I find him difficult to read sort of like Melville. But then again who am I.

Gotta give TM props for the old time flourish though.

-Hoot

like you know who immediately!! mame!! i get the creeps from you know who!! mame!!

fly

FIRST:
JG's age--looks just about right to me. Remember many of the "beefcake" photos of the guy from the web are OLD photos of a younger man.

Go by his recent TV appearances/interviews, on CNN, NBC etc. He looks JUST LIKE a mid-forties guy, a little gray, a little jowly, a little heavy.

I work in a job where I see all kinds of people every day and I always know their age. JG looks right about mid to late forties to me.

I'm continually surprised by the people who post here that "no WAY is he 47". Sure if you're talking about the real young looking USMC t-shirt photo, but not his TV appearances in February.

SECOND:

If this guy was indeed in a fraternity, surely those frat brothers would know him. Has anybody identified or approached any of them?

age as 31 in 2001 and on another site as 32.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/USMCPT.pdf

Go to the TKE's minutes of May 2004 and read their entry regarding jimmy-jeff! They were suspicious of him in 2004 and wondered if he was a spook. page one http://www.tkema.com/minutes/Minutes-2004%20May%201.pdf

Weight gain can do it, stress can do it, a shaved head makes it difficult to know if their are gray hairs, but heck, I started getting gray hairs at 35 and I dated a someone that was graying when they were in their late 20's.

It is gannon that stated he was 31 and 32 at his escort sites.

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/bulldogdc.html

It is hard for a 47 year old to pull off the 31 or 32 year old bit, especially when he is an intimate participant in physical activities that are reviewed.

Someone looking to sell them self for sex is likely to lie about their age. Doesnt it SOUND better for him to be 30 rather than 40?? Also he would probably lie about being in the Marines just to satisfy some peoples fantasy

review your performance and confirm your age after an intimate experience?

Of course, with jimmy-jeff it is hard to know whether or not he wrote those reviews himself. :shrug:

So many questions not yet answered....

I don't have customers! I'm talking about just friendly chats.

(jeez)

:spank: ROTFL

Of course, I don't think you have customers and I know you were just referring to message board simple little fibs! ;-)

JD Guckert of WCU, is indeed the one and only Jeff Gannon

thanks!

off to update my diary
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/3/22513/75463

that attended WCU in 1980?

It confirms that Jeff Gannon was the fellow purporting to be an alumni of WCU and of TKE in 2001 to 2004. It confirms that he was recognized as the alumnus who claimed to be JD Gurkett and that he was TKE's web master and a big brother.

Until someone that was his frat brother comes forward to say he was in TKE with Gannon/Guckert in 1980 or until a classmate comes forward to say he attended classes with him at WCU in 1980 or was his roommate at WCU or until that professor provides a photo to compare to his photo today, we have no confirmation that James Gannon was the JD Gurkett that attended WCU in 1980.

I anxiously await that photo or someone that knew him when he attended WCU in 1980.

42 is my more specific guess...even considering the bald head, which hides grey hairs, as someone said.

Guesstimating age is a strange thing. My partner is so youthful looking that we give carnival barkers a break. He could easily pass for 30 and he's 48!

(So many lies, hard to sift them all.)

But fooj and many of us have been asking the second question. Where IS everyone who knows this guy? Surely there is a neighbor or childhood friend or frat bro who could have stepped forward by now?

No. There is a major league blackout here. Which we need to try to read somehow. (Or, until someone "speaks out" in response to this question, on this thread. Rolling my good eye.)

/wish I could type

And it is very odd that no one has come forward to say I remember him at the frat house or in high school or in the military.

If I was watching CSpan and saw a friend or former friend of mine at a press briefing asking POTUS questions under an assumed name, you bet it would spark my curiosity. Then if that friend/former friend is revealed to be a fake journalist working for a fake news service and a male prostitute that prefers males, then I would definitely be contacting somebody, somewhere to let them know that I knew him when...

Talk about a book deal!

when he washed up on the shore, his old friends came OUT OF THE WOODWORK. It's all good, don't mean to distract but I had major contact with both MSM and people I'd never met from his past, stepping up to talk.

There is a blackout here. Lots of people who don't know where to step.

Or, what would the alternative be? :shrug:

with the guy that won the jeopardy millions. When you are famous or infamous, whether you won the lotto or just made the headlines, folks come out to tell all.

Kobbie Bryant's victim had boyfriends come forward to discuss her proclivities.

Monica Lewinsky had ex-friends and boyfriends tell all they knew about her to the press.

It's the nature of our society...

Gannon has considerable notariety. You'd think SOMEONE would be blabbing. A college classmate, a fraternity mate, (he claimed to have taught public school) a student or fellow teacher, (he claims to have been in the military) a buddy.

If he graduated college in 1980... you'd thing SOMEBODY he's known in the last 30 years would step forward. All sorts of people love their 15 minutes of fame.

....as fooj notes, "NADA." No parishioners, no preachers, no pastors, no fellow soldiers, no fellow students, no teachers, no ...... one.

And, now, we've gone ~ 6 days without 'seeing' him -- and, we may be among the only folk who've noticed that absence. Time to start urging KO, Randi, Jon, everyone to get Jeff/Jim/?Johnny back in front of the camera, quick.

Peace.


TBO;24/7

VP of Alumni Recruitment and Retention 392-Present, Kevin McNamee:

• I did have A couple of random Alumni spottings though, so here ya go:
o JD Guckert: He is not in the CIA, NSA, or any other crazy super duper secret
government agency. He is a reporter, not sure for whom, but he has definitely
been in the White House briefing room on several occasions. I know this because
I am a dork and actually come home from work and watch White House press
briefings on C-span. (Note to alumni, this report has not been confirmed)

Nobody with this guys persona hasn't had some acquaintances somewhere...

:hi: Come on over!

but didn't the frat guy say he recognized him on CSPAN in a WH briefing? That would seem to be a comfirmation that they knew him.

JD Gurkett was known as an alumni, a big brother to pledges and their webmaster. We have a photo of him at one of their functions in 2001. That does not mean that those who were in frats with him when he was in college support the fact that the JD Guckert that was attending as an alumni was the JD Guckert that attended college and was a member of the frat in 1980.

No certainties yet. No confirmations yet...

some kind of history to his life. A frat membership sounds easy enough. Why nothing more concrete?

It has been confirmed.

You guys should really visit SusanG's threads on dKos you are rehashing alot of what has already been proven

....are in various dKos threads. But, where are the links to the conversations with "Gannon/Guckert/??" fraternity brothers.

I had noted a very stern warning from SusanG (appropriately so) about how she would shut down her posts if folk started contacting people:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/2/8/05911/68800/256#256

And, the fact that an actual street address is still in that particular thread, is an issue. Folk were also sternly warned, appropriately, not to post the SSN that one of them, apparently, had.

Thanks for any help on those frat brother conversation links.

Peace.

TBO;24/7

off the cuff stuff to lookit.

If anyone has a line on where "conservtive guy" posted", lemme know please.

Andy, take care.

:tinfoilhat:

It was probably too many posts. If it was locked for that purpose, the mods would have said so. A couple of posters about a week ago started a thread accusing some of us of equating homosexuality with pedophilia and they were 100% incorrect. I just finished catching up on that whole thread and am about to read info in dailykos that you linked.

100 posts, then a new thread?

Whaddya think?

they may help your analysis.

It helps to keep the information together.

dial up? Let's just get a number, so everyone can relax.

:)

Here are a couple. This guy is a pig.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030202013007/http://theconservativeguy.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/20030524174729/http://theconservativeguy.com/

Go to: http://www.waybackmachine.org/ and type in conservativeguy.com and look at the various entries. That's where I got the above entries.

Looks like it's been simply deleted.

The writing here is what I see in the "team" writing of Rational Guy and Personal guy. Probably throw in an editor.

They're not taking new members. But, when the site was put up, it had more $ backing than the current site.

Obviously a front. Flag, Key Words, Whooooooooooooooossssssssssssssh1

I am interested in your work! I am following it. But ya hafta be a little more concise... I don't always understand your posts on the writing issue. Can you kinda fill em out for this dummy?

Editing: I rekon I am getting your point. Several individual writers. I have never felt that the 'article writer' was the same as the 'ME writer'. He has always been assisted in writing certain things. I agree, that much or most is fed to him. Even beyond the plagiarism.

As I have said before, his Dashle stuff was not investigated by him in DC. Somebody has an intern doing the real work.

together writing the general articles.

The White House stuff was handed to them, because it is of a piece with its origins. If anything, the WH people fluffed out the talking points for the articles.

And, the same two person team may be working the website.

There's one that's flowery and one that's sort of stiff. Both are good arguers but they're really different writers. It looks like they're having to do more work on their own where they used to work more together.

It's confusing, I know. Maybe if you go back to the original Gannon canon post and look at the samples, it'll make more sense. That's why I tried to put examples with each of my assertions.


The guy that posted to FR was more plain in his language. The guy that's writing at the website is someone else, more dramatic and flowery. Sometimes these two have worked together, complemented each other and produced articles. (Team writing is not at all unusual. I do it all the time.) The writing at Conservative Guy looks like a collaboration between these two guys, for example.

And, all the policy stuff, such as the article Media Matters pointed out, was written by neither. It was handed to someone or emailed and JDG just put his name to it. There is no other explanation for the consistency of the grammar, for one thing, between the press releases and the Talon pieces. There are no ripples. It's like me writing a shopping list, then making it into a paragraph. There are no discontinuities. Media Matters didn't take their claim far enough.

Not only were the RNC press releases used verbatim and without attribution, but the grammatical bridges that you need to fill out a column or an article were bridged or filled by the originators.

No way an unskilled person "lifted" this material into its final form. Hell, I can write up a storm, and don't know if I could have done as well . . .:eyes:

Caution: pillar of salt. The more I read, the more stuff I can point to clearly.

I'm buyin'. His writings always smacked of different writers to me. I think your analysis is fascinating and meaningful.

You're right I think.

Why did no one else catch it? Ah, that must be our job.

BTW, I also have trouble in winter.

and then go to post 5 -- It looks like Gannon borrowed the CNN article and made it his own!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3127394

But, more data may change that. Thanks, merh.

"I have tried to figure out whether other prominent politicians have dissociative tendencies, but frankly, I find it very difficult to do. Although, I have heard from journalists and investigators who state they have “figured out” some other politicians, I have not received information to convince me that their theories are valid. On the other hand, I did know several politicians who, away from the public eye, would sometimes regress into child alter-states. This is different than an individual whose primary, or presenting, persona is an altered state of consciousness. The individuals I’m referring to, appeared to be normally in control of themselves and cognizant of what was occurring around them. In other words, their host or primary personas were usually “out” and in charge – especially in public. But sometimes, when they were in private and let their guard down, they appeared to “switch” into a younger altered state of consciousness. At such times, their vocabulary would become simpler and they were more likely to use concrete instead of abstract thinking. Their voices and faces also would also become noticeably younger. I never liked it when they switched like that, because, their child alter-states were brutal and sadistic, and were more likely to lose control of themselves and do especially awful things to me and other victims. They were also more likely, at those times, to forget who I was, and treat me as if I was a female from their past who they hated. Those were especially difficult and dangerous experiences."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3220309&mesg_id=3222397&page=

Could that explain the inconsistencies in his writing?

No.

Because the dissociated or split off "personality" would want to leave its imprint.

I'm very familiar with people splitting off or dissociating a part of themselves. Before appropriate care, my partner went through that frequently.

The shifts I see, ironically, aren't different ENOUGH to be written from dissociated states.

But, this is not to say that it can't be ruled out all together. I thought of that, too. Of how trauma can work on a person. No, I don't think so but will not rule it out at all.

Sometimes, dissociation can be so very subtle.

(Not very satisfying, sorry.)

and I thank you so much for it. I was just throwing a piece out there that you may not have thought of.

"you know intuition from hell."

and found it was a CNN article. I had just posted the thread to show that he was reporting before Talon News Service ever existed.

Thank you for your willingness to read all of his "writings"! :eyes:

:tinfoilhat: :scared: :scared: :scared:

please and thanx

It has NG, JDG & JG Sr. photos

Edited to add the forgotten link ! (oops)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3214059&mesg_id=3217553

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3214059&mesg_id=3214923&page=

Brilliantly done by nonny. : )

the merging of the images.

:hug:

:hug:

This is what I don't get.

You don't, even with a four year college degree, have the skills to write even the silliest post on Gannon's new website. You don't write like that from being a high school P.E. teacher or wrestling coach. You just don't, no matter how much raw talent you have. Even if you had a bunch of other jobs to pay your bills and write at odd hours, there'd be a trail.

Writing is like hanging dry wall or laying tile. You do it over and over and over, then MAYBE you get better at it. And meanwhile, your failures or near successes leave a paper trail -- at your high school, at your college. Somewhere.

I'm not seeing that. If you made me, I couldn't prove Guckert wrote a single word. Which isn't what I wanted to find, but there it is. Someone wrote those words, but I've no reason to believe he did.

....but, since assumption is the basis of all f*(&-ups, let me ask anyway. Have you compared the 'post' quoted in # 69 above, in your analysis of other writings attributed to "Gannon/Guckert"?

Specifically:



Just wondering. Thanks.


TBO;24/7

for the suggestion.

Because you know how many possibilities there are, right?!

Late last night or early this morning, I checked into GOPUSA, and it is a whole 'nother kettle of faux fish. I mean, those wax samples of sushi in windows used to freak me out. This is PLASTIC SUSHI on parade.

So be it. Just want to be careful before making claims and leading us off cliffs, no matter how lovely. :)

....I am aware of the complexity and the need for rigor.

And, for sure, one will always starve on a diet of propaganda -- be it 'plastic sushi' or 'plastic pasta' or 'plastic turkey' or ..... -- it's nourishment potential is zero.


Peace.


TBO;24/7

Supposedly, Guckert wrote for the student paper at WCU. Supposedly, he also holds a degree.

Well, my degree isn't in either communications or journalism yet I was able to work for more than a decade as a journalist and editor. (My first job based primarily on my life experiences -- student radio and newspaper, etc.)

Why would Guckert/Gannon, if he already had print journalism experience in college and a college degree, feel compelled to attend an obviously eggshell journalism school (Blackwell's Institute)?

Also, once a person starts writing... well, there is a truth about the printer's ink getting into your bloodstream. Individuals typically don't just stop writing... then start up again several years later. (Honestly, I have very little belief that Gannon/Guckert has ever honestly worked as a journalist in his life previously to Talon/GOPUSA.)

student paper? I agree with you, it makes no sense that he doesn't list that in his bio and that the only journlism training/experience he claimed was the 2 day/$50 training session.

He would list his college journalist experience along with the 2 day course because the college background is more credible. (imho)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3214059#3214482

"The Library has the Quad on microfilm from those years, and as Sports Editor, he probably shows up in most of them."

journalism background on his bio - it is more credible than a 2 day seminar?

It would be very interesting to see some of that microfilm.
I don't suppose they would "inter-library loan" microfilm.

a member of the TKE fraternity. I do not believe that it is the same person that is James Gannon, who assumed the identity of JD Guckert.

So, a search of the Social Security death index for a JD Guckert, born in 1957, death after 1980 may be useful.

Or maybe he is not legally dead or missing -- but just never ever coming back...

---shiver-----

:thumbsup:

amazing me...( text files??..hell you are brilliant!!)
you gooooooooooooo girl!!

fly

could someone please try to find it an pm me with the results?

see his post 108, he said he saw the ss# on another site.

....I found a post by someone claiming to have the SSN. They were warned, appropriately so, not to post it. I'll send you the link Andy.

Peace.


TBO;24/7

:thumbsup:

Cheers :toast:

:beer: :toast: :beer:

This is a very interesting collection of threads. Will we ever know the answers to our questions? Will this be the leak in the damn that causes it to burst? :shrug:

I really believe Jeff Gannon should appear on tv real soon. It's suspicious that he hasn't been seen. Unless he's on vacation in the Bahamas.

By the way....this pic:



The guy in the red shirt looks like Gannon....a lot. But does that prove he isn't Gosch? The pic doesn't prove that Guckert graduated in 1980. And that link from the professor is not proof being that he didn't send the pic in the yearbook he supposedly looked at. And btw, that professor is running for Mayor? He's a politician. I don't trust politicians. They lie all the time.:-)

on edit: having a problem posting the pic

I had to put in some time with this person I married who has no interest but some idea about all the wrinkle threads.

I'll be back. Thanks for asking :hi:

Look at the scar under the eye on the left cheek in both photos.

It is getting harder and harder to deny this

what this kid must have gone through. I have cried several hours over some of the stories i have read about Franklin and Bohemian Grove. For some reason the reality of this boy did not hit me until just now.

Gannon's arrogance is sometimes difficult to take. Yet if he is Gosch, what he must have suffered is beyond comprehension.

I SO HOPE something breaks BIG, not only to stop the machine but also to vindicate the victims.

:cry:

as a flight attendant i have read incredible ntsb and faa stories/and video's of testimonials of people who survive a crash,,.and what kind of people survive a crash..usually arrogant stubborn people..fighters..not the passive type genrally..not always but most the time..alot of it is luck..but

in many cases it is those who will do incredible feats to lift things they normally couldnt and people who will climb over others to survive... alot of it is a quality we are born with..but much is a learned part of our personalities.. people who have to fight and scrap for things will fight easier for their lives..they won't give up no matter what..
people who plan and prepare...it is a fact most who survive pay attention to detail..
they watch the demos of flt attendants, they read the card in the back of the seat..and they do it every time...they leave nothing up to others..or chance

i see this in gannon guckert..

fly

BTW the scar is actually on the RIGHT cheek on both of them.

You know the other thing I keep thinking is that through all three of his identities he keeps the same initials JG.
Johnny Gosch
James Guckert
Jeff Gannon
Oh well, just a coincidence I guess...:eyes:

....of the choice of the name "Gannon."

We've certainly had several folk post about the Editor of the Des Moines Register and the fact that Ms Gosch has indicated that he suppressed the information flow regarding her son's kidnapping.

And, as many of you know, the name of that Editor is James Gannon.

The cause for the repeated chuckle is what might be an elegant use of irony, i.e., when Guckert decided to be "a journalist" he took the name of a "real journalist": not just any name, and not just any name of known journalists.

A person with no discernable past prior to 1980, and perhaps a multiply 'revised' past since then, chooses 'Gannon' from thousands and thousands of potential names, when he decides its time for him to stroll into the White House Press room and start asking the President of the USA 'questions.'

Guckert, you're a clever, funny guy.

By the way, James Gannon is still publishing:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2005-02-01-washington--forum_x.htm

An interesting piece of advice he gives to Bush:



Peace.


TBO;24/7

is that he is not only "A person with no discernible past prior to 1980", but also no discernible existence from 1980 - appx. 2001.

And, like many here, I'm very interested in trying to do whatever possible to make sure he does have a future.

Thanks.


TBO;24/7

I would write a plea. I know it is him as do many here. I want to help...but I have pushed the envelope as far as I can. So what it boils down to now are the only people who know for sure. One is surely not going to say...the other won't say to protect. We have your back guys! Not only for your sake but for the sake of our country and the children yet to come.

Consider this an impassioned plea. It is the best I can do. I am having really bad nightmares over all this.

He spotted the features in Johnny's dad. Is there any way to contact him?

I'm no fundie, but things really do work out. You've done your part, with all of DU behind you.

Do you have the temerity to think this won't work out?

It will, in part because of your work. Now, just let it.

:hug:

a good link to a KOS Gannon Timeline.

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

figure out about the other James Gannon? :shrug:

James P. Gannon is a former reporter for The Wall Street Journal and former editor of The Des Moines Register.

I aint too much of a tinfoiler, but I am deeply worried about Guckie. I would be interested to know if he got into the White House because he holds some kind of military security clearance.

Perhaps he's Rummy's baby, not Rove's?

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King had started a new "house" on Embassy Row.

I thought you all might want to see it.



As I questioned in the other thread, was his son firing the gun in the air in tribute to his father or was he firing the gun at a fleeing intruder or intruders?

So many questions.....

Don't think we have the power to end it.

But we can make a good sized dent. I want to be wrong.

don't they! Thanks for the link - I recommend everyone go and check it out. :thumbsup:

430 Gannon articles. Eeeew.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?Terms=jeff+gannon&Match=1&Realm=All

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Thank you!

Just throw some brown sugar and butter my way.

lol

Gannon wrinkles, Part 8

See ya there!