OK white heterosexual males, I've had it.

Which one of YOUR rights are we going to put on the table? Which one of YOUR rights are YOU willing to sacrifice for the cause.

There isn't a day that goes by on this board that someone does not argue against a woman's right to do as she sees fit with her reproductive health.

There isn't a day on this board when someone does not suggest Affirmative Action is harming us.

There isn't a DAY that goes by on this board wherein someone does not claim that gay rights are harming the party.

SOOOOO...you want us all to compromise...here's your big chance (at least those of you that would gladly sacrifice my rights to win one for the party.


WHICH ONE OF YOUR RIGHTS WILL YOU GLADLY PUT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK FOR THE TEAM?

(note, this question is NOT for white heterosexual males that would NOT trade off women's rights or the rights of gay people or black people..this question is only for those so addicted to political exepedience that they would sell us all down the river for a grab at the trophy)

I have not seen these posts you speak of.

don't think they can all be laid at a "troll" door

have suggested that "big tent" party, which is codespeak for "sell women out for a few religious votes that MIGHT come our way."

They're serious. Some of these guys would sell half the party out in a heartbeat, just on the off chance some religious nutbar would cross party lines.

If this plank goes, guys, so do we.

votes than now

WAKE UP CALL to all white hetereo males, you are totally screwed without us. We put up with the Repuke lite white male hetero BS long enough.

NO MORE BACK PEDDLING!

wow NSMA you sure started a barn burner with our DU brothers huh?

takes a minute or two.

I've got nothing but time :D

with my life for female rights any day any time any where.

Woman has only been voting for less than a hundred years and man still thinks he has control in a so-called Democracy society.

block because you're a cool progressive guy ;)

feel that they are sacrificing just by 'putting up with us'.

I think the right they've given up is the right to beat us and bash us like their republican counterparts do.

!!!!!!!!

:yourock:

:hug:

:yourock:

Nothing to add, you said it all.

My two soon to be draft age sons will be on the chopping block (quite literally, I fear), if we can't get to Canada soon. (I attribute the gay bashing RW strategy as possibly responsible for Smirky's ostensible victory over Kerry)

Will that do?

to recognize that the vast majority of pro-choice women and the vast majority of gay people stood firmly with you. Not the vast majority of white hetero males ;-)

get excited about that, considering the trade-off.

will you fight for us with in the party?

A middle of the road democrat may have just as well pushed for a draft. Your son going to an illegal war that most feminists, gays, and African-Americans do not support is the fault of the overwhelmingly white straight people who voted for Bush.

It is not a zero sum game when it comes to life. Gay kids fight a war to survive everyday.

is what's taking so long for them to show up. :shrug:

nt

Thanks for the deep thoughts

are taking the positions you are upset about may not all be whiteheteromales.

Insisting that if we'd just back off this *one* little thing, everything would be okay.

I don't recall seeing any openly gay people arguing, in the affirmative, on any threads advocating that we wait a while for gay rights.

You tell me, pick a right that I as a heterosexual male can give up in order to wrest control of this country away from the extremists.

But while you are choosing which right try to make it equitable, make sure said right is as steeped in controversy and moral ambiguity as the right to have an abortion. Make sure that my right you ask me to give up includes not only a choice that affects me but another living being as well.


For the record. I support the right to choose, but I can see the point made by thoose who argue against it. The only way we as a nation can get past this issue and start going forward is to craft a compromise that ensures abortion rights in events of incest rape, etc...while limiting/discouraging abortion for convenience.


Now Blast away, but don't forget to choose the right I get to give up for me.

How about a reversible vasectomy for all males age 14 and up until such a time as they get married, in a committed relationship and are fiscally able to co-pay for a child? That would obviate the right to life and abortion issue...no?

I get a reversable vasectomy at gun point and Repukes get voted into the minority?

SIGN MY ASS UP!

majority. Why should we have to explain it away and take responsibility for it when it's hung on us unwillingly, unfairly and without objective criteria in the first place?

Pretty simple. Let the government decide if you should have a vasectomy, or decide that the cancer you're dying from is a natural thing and should just run its course. Let them decide that condoms are illegal since they promote sex without the intention to procreate and let the government hold every man who impregnates a woman wholly responsible for any child that is born from that no matter the circumstances.

You enter any kind of reproductive slavery into this party's platform and half your membership will leave.

There shall be NO government slavery of ANY woman who does NOT WISH TO RISK HER LIFE.

You got that, buster? NONE!

Women have a very long history spanning many centuries of being sold out by their "brothers" when some religious assshole dangled a little bit of extra power in front of them for the sellout.

Not this time. Not ever.

Clinton was in office.

IIRC it was a combination of reasonable sex education, inner city outreach and a good economy

no one likes abortions most ESPECIALLY the woman who has to make the decsion for herself. Your remark about abortion for convenience was not only uninformed, it was tasteless and horribly insensitive to the people who have had to face that choice.

...and I had a good one.

I think white hetero males should all give up the right to dance. Frankly, almost none of us can do it properly, and we're just embarrassing everyone. Almost all hetero white people who dance in a non-professional setting are only doing it for chicks anyway, and they deserve to be spared the attentions of the men who do qualify to answer your question.

And let women and gays have their turn. God knows they couldn't screw it up more than the white hetero males have.

I believe in freedom from and I support all of the issues your saying I'm against so perhaps you need to better direct your conversation at those who disagree with you and realize some white hetero males are unwilling to compromise on their rights or yours. Perhaps you need to start you thread with the statement that if those who disagree with your statement should join in this flame bait.

I believe your point is covered therein.

:yourock:

You can't have my rights. First, I'm not done with them yet, and I plan on passing them along to my daughter and niece besides.

...I can smoke them out by giving up a right for them.

Again, I don't fit your request but, How about: American Men give up the Right to ALL decisions regarding sending the U.S. Armed Forces to anywhere, other than to defend the actual boarders of the 50 United States of America.

In other words, NO Foreign Wars, unless a majority of the our Women approve such a deployment.

I'm down with that.

But I think the purpose of this post was to see what inalienable right that affects your day-to-day life, your livelihood, your earning potential, your health, your ability to be in control of the most private functions of your body, your relationships with others is up for grabs.

not over the Abortion for CONVENIENCE crack


that was just rude

I would never say anything like that.

:hi:

Haven't seen any serious posts re which right they would give up for "THE CAUSE"

I only have about 15 more minutes to spare, so I can't get into another uhhh, thing.

I sacrificed my rights to freedom for three years when I served my country in two wars (one which I didn't agree with)

If you think there is some political advantage to abolishing heterosexual marriage I'll be happy to do that

I can't have an abortion but I do believe strongly in making it MADA TORY for fathers to take responsibility for their children (of course I don't see that as a sacrifice because I would take care of my kids anyway)

I'm not rich enough to really benefit from the bush tax cuts, but if I ever am I'll be happy to give up them

Ever one has to sacrifice its unfortunate that some have to sacrifice more then others,but thats life , I would also wager I've sacrificed more for my country then you.

Wow I have NEVER heard a soldier say this before. Man, we appeciate the service but I didn't know it comes in gradients!

What would you sacrifice? I wouldn't bring it up if it wasn't pertinent.

that time in the military provides cover to cede the rights of others, you've completely missed the point of your service.

... in another forum.

You claimed you are a liberal, a PhD student in economics, and now a war hero. Fine. You're a better man than I Gunga Din, but don't come here and claim that you sacrificed more than the above poster.

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I'm not a Ph. D. I'm in a PhD program. I'm not a war hero I was barely in combat. I didn't know that being a graduate student,a (retired)soldier, and a liberal were all mutually exclusive things?

I was in the PAO(Public Affairs) I was stationed at Fort Lenardwood, but went all over as people in the PAO do I spent time in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I don't want a medal for it, but again if you're going to ask what I would sacrifice, I would say its relevent...

My PhD is not actually going to be in economics, it will be in public policy, however with a heavy focus on economics. Don't forget my work for the DNC which I believe I also mentioned if you want to run down my credentials...

Would you be willing to support a more aggressive Affirmative Action policy that levels the playing field for women, Gays, and minorities?

And those I know are concerned with things alot more important then marraige

As far as AA are you talking about in the military?

INCREASED AA and/or other more agressive measures to level the playing field.

not to justify keeping us from having rights or taking our rights away.

All I said were gay people are not the only ones who go through tribulations.

missed something

From one of the white heterosexual males covered in your disclaimer. :-)

That because a large group of straight white males think that way or do certain things. That all of them are grouped in one spot. It's not fair. I'm up and down on the scale of things listed above; Abortion and Gay marriage are two things I agree with you on. However affirmative action is something I think doesn't work once passed a certain point. However, there are some here that would disagree with me putting them as white males in agreeing completely.

If they did I would kick their ass. Or Skittles would.

This appears to be a continuation of a GD disussion thread that has been locked.

Thanks for your consideration.
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