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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:27 AM
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I've frequented antiwar.com, and my respect for libertarianism has grown
My feelings regarding the merits of the welfare state are quite different from theirs, yet I see in this faction a cadre of allies who, though hostile towards democratic socialism, are nonetheless small "r" republicans. Interestingly enough, I find myself agreeing more with them than many liberals on the nature of our imperialist ventures: I saw nary an apologia for the "idealistic" Wilson, or Truman, for that matter, and that insidious national security state he and the Cold War liberals constructed.

I have to say, I like these guys.
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Dylan Garcia Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:30 AM
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1. We must form a coalition
Great post! We need to concentrate not on where our ideas differ, but on the big, life sized issues where we agree.

Check our the Louisiana Activist Network's website below in my signiture line.
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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:43 AM
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2. The Activist's Network sounds like they are very energetic and really on
there. Congrads!
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artemisia1 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:49 AM
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3. Praise to Antiwar.com
Listen, people, real conservatives hate this admin. more than any other group. Why? First, like us, for what they do, second because they do it in the "conservative" name. Real conservatives have double the reason to despise the neoCONs.

Antiwar.com is a great site. Some columnists are sometimes too anti-Israeli for my tastes, but they really are a great asset and ally to the anti-imperialist, ant-war cause.
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The Crazy Canadian Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:49 AM
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4. I check out antiwar.com almost every day.
I agree with these guys mostly on foreign policy stuff. We should, if anything, join forces with them to take out the neocons.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:52 AM
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5. small "l" libertarians are our good friends
I'm a libertarian, i even supported the libertarian party before it
threw its lot in with bush. Now i can only pray they come to realize
that the GOP shares no common values with a libertarian.

libertarianism is the only coherent conservative political philosophy
that "could" share power with DU liberalism. The areas in question
are generally like public schools, national medical and such. In this
regard, i am inclined to see "my liberty" as inclusive of all human
beings having their human right to a common education and health care.

It might pay to spend some consideration as to exactly how liberal
libertarianism can coherently be explained to more hardline libertarians
that they can be better wooed to the cause.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:55 AM
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6. The anti-rand Libertarians are anti-interventionist and
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 01:58 AM by not systems
anti-police state and that is two points that
I can really support.

Unfortunately lots of people running around claiming
Libertarian are war mongering nationalistic Republican
idiots.

The main thing that I like about antiwar.com is Justin
Ramondo's relentless exposing of the inter workings of
the neo-cons and the rise of red state fascism.

I prefer a balanced mix of anti-authoritarianism so don't
have a problem with left or right wing economics as long
as it is not statist and militaristic. A mixed economy
is what I think works best and right-wing economics that
denies corporate person-hood is fine with me. It is the
corporatists that are the big threat to freedom in this
world. The degenerate spawn of Ayn Rand is what makes
Libertarianism unpalatable compared to left libertarianism.

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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:59 AM
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7. I think you and I are in the same boat.
Like many progressives, I see the value of (and need for) a safety net.

But, I do like the libertarian philosophy that there are several areas where our government has no business getting involved.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:26 AM
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8. Some libertarians feel that way too
Here's an interesting article from a libertarian site that comes to the conclusion that they now have much in common with liberals:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/red-state-fascism.html

(Don't be put off by a few small jabs at the left the author sneaks in there - he saves the big ones for Bush and co.)

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Blind Tiresias Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:38 AM
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9. Raimondo
he is one of the best writers on the net. I find myself agreeing with him quite a bit, and his writing style is very fluid.
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