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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:45 AM
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Why the Ten Commandments?
Thoughts while scrubbing the floor:

Why is it that the Xtian Right continually feeds off the Ten Commandments. They aren't in the New Testament. I'm not a Bible reader, but where does Christ refer to them?

On the other hand, The Beatitudes are in the New Testament:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/beatitudes/

Why aren't those shoved down our throats? As a Liberal I think that they represent my God a little more than the Ten Commandments. Can The Beatitudes represent the "liberal" Christ?

Just some rambling while I let the floor dry!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:51 AM
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1. I dunno. The adultery thing, maybe?
Maybe they really like that bit about not bearing false witness. So how does that apply to WMD, do you think?

Or maybe it's back to adultery and they're all gung ho to stone their neighbor's wife. Should be fun. Bring a casserole.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:55 AM
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2. That's why they don't want Gay marriage...
its still OK to bang Gannon, until he becomes someone's wife.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:11 AM
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8. it has nothing to do with the content of the commandments
it's idolatry, plain and simple.
they don't actually READ the 10 commandments, they just put it in monuments and worship it as a simple of their political allegience, which they mistakenly call "faith".
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:28 AM
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12. Moses is guffawing somewhere.
I take it this set of commandments leaves out the NO GRAVEN IMAGES restriction?

Which would mean we're dealing with the Catholic ten commandments and not the Hebrew set.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:56 AM
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3. The Beatitudes aren't compatible with free-market conservativism.
And they might make rich people feel uncomfortable about exploiting others to get richer. Worse yet, the poor might hear them and start getting all uppity.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:58 AM
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4. Then "The Beatitudes" become our wedge issue into the Xtian Right!
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:07 AM
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6. You've got the winning explanation.
That Jesus... calling for social equity and justice...
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:59 AM
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5. Little by little, and they have become very blatant about it, it
is just another step toward establishing state religion. The faith-based issue is another.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:09 AM
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7. they're smart enough to include judaism
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 11:09 AM by unblock
pick something from the new testament, and it's clearly favoring one religion: christianity.

pick something from the torah/old testament, and you can claim you're being fair to multiple religions.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:30 AM
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13. Yep. Everybody cribs from the Torah.
However, with regard to later teachings, I've always suspected that Hillel took a course in Confucianism. He says a lot of stuff consistent with the brand of state Confucianism being practiced while he was alive.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:14 AM
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9. Xtian Right
picks and chooses the commandments it wants everyone to adhere to.

Remember to keep holy the Sabbath sure doesn't fit much unless God is at the mall or on some sports field.

Thou Shalt not Bear False Witness sure wasn't obeyed by the Swift Boat Scum for Bush.

I think if we took the time to go down the list of the whole 10 there would only be about 3 that have much bearing on modern law.

Mz Pip:dem:
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ryan_cats Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:35 AM
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14. Sabbath day
According to my Pastor, the Sabbath in the Old Testament (OT) has been replaced by Jesus's resurrection which we celebrate on Sunday. I haven't got an answer as far as the Catholic Church changing the day of worship to Sunday so it falls on the same day as a Pagan holiday.

Jews still follow the Sabbath as laid down by the Torah (the first 4? books of the OT).

The great thing is that the New Testament changes a lot of things. We don't sacrifice animals for one thing and some of the laws of Leviticus are also superseded.

Jesus preached love, not intolerance so people like that evil loser Phelps are totally corrupting his words.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:16 AM
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10. Really. Or, why not the Golden Rule?
It's short, concise, and applicable to any situation.

And it would save a lot on granite and carving.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:24 AM
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11. Amen! That's what I try to live by.
Covers a multitude of sins, so to speak. Wish more of my fellow Christians would live by it--but I guess it's too simple and doesn't convey the "we want to control everything" mode so many of them are in now.

Tired Old Cynic
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:37 AM
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15. i disagree with the fundamental of the golden rule
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 11:39 AM by seabeyond
do onto others, as you want done onto you

what you want done onto you, i may not want done onto me. so you are making an assumption. i know what i want donte onto me, many dont want done onto them

for example, i dont want thank you cards after christmas, a thankyou as opened, or not, just an appreciation of toy is cool for me. so i wouldnt be sending out thank you cards, where as the next person may really really want that thank you card. i know this. so though i dont want one or like sending, i do anyway, cause i know the other person wants and expects one

so it is do onto others how they want done onto them. lol

i could never assume someone wants done onto my way

i have given it all up, and just live out of heart, people can accept or not. their choice. i put it out, they have the choice to receive or not. their choice
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:44 AM
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17. I find your train of thought very confused.
:shrug: It takes all types though.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:41 AM
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16. kinda made me sad
last couple years and experience in fundamentalist church school, i have lost something from christianity i have had a lifetime. i see it in darkness now, not lite. it is a sad thing that has happened to me. realized just recently talking to a couple church goers, how i cant see good in their experience any more
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:17 PM
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18. My God and I plan to start attending church again!
Only this time I plan to challenge the "RIGHTeous."
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:44 PM
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19. in the shower this morning, ........
a wonderful place to resolve.

i need to call a particular fundamentalist friend. tell her i will try not to get angry, but i am angry. i am having crisis of religion. does she want to come minister or does she have a person she would suggest

i resent that my past of waking to a sunday morning is gone. and listening to the song of christ conscious, by the collective singing of jesus, on sunday mornings, has been taken from me. i know longer receive that energy. why. where has it gone. it was my and my families morning of church. we let it go last fall, this whole house.

religiously, my label is....dessident, heretic, pagan and heathen, lazy christian, unchristian, not a practicing christian.....athiest. un american, un patriotic, unnnnn.....
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:22 PM
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20. Obviously because we all still live in the desert
and I'm really pissed off with my neighbour constantly coveting my maidservant's ass.
And why do I have to work 6 days? Why can't we have a 35-hour week like the French?
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:39 PM
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21. Ten Commandments are authoritarian.
COMMANDMENTS!! Beatitudes are so much fluff. Peacemakers the children of God? Ha! Not in 'puke country.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:45 PM
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22. Christ didn't command...he sacrificed himself...
shouldn't the Freepers?
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