Gannon Wrinkles, Part 9

Previous Thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3222750&mesg_id=3222750

Thanks Mod, for locking 8 and forwarding! :toast:

Wrinkles 1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3144209

Wrinkles 2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3155132

Wrinkles 3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3161296

Wrinkles 4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3196579&mesg_id=3196579&page=

Wrinkles 5: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3214059

Wrinkles 6: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3218095

Wrinkles 7: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3220309&mesg_id=3220309

Wrinkles 8: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3222750

*edited to add wrinkles links.

I tried weeding through the links last night - but it is VERY time consuming. Can anyone just give a quick - here's where we are - at the start of each new thread?

the Jeff Gannon aka James Guckert aka bulldog is the JD Guckert that attended WCU in 1980 and was a member of the TKE fraternity.

We know that our boy is the same JD Guckert that claimed to be an alumnus and TKE member in 2001. We have his photo at the TKE party in 2001. We also have the minutes of the TKE meetings from that time span which refer to him as a big brother and the web master. There is the odd minute reference in May of 2004 where it tries to relieve concerns of the TKEs that questioned whether he was a spook by discussing the fact that a TKE member ids him as Gannon having seen him on CSpan.

We also know that the websites with his escort businesses and photos all relate to our boy and we assume that the tax judgment is his.

October 18, 1996: Tax judgment filed for failure to pay Delaware state income tax over a multi-year period -- (is this now being questioned as to whether its Guckert.)

April 10, 1997: Bedrock corporation incorporated in Delaware (???by whom???)

December, 1998: Gannon/Guckert attends Christmas orgy. (Washington Blade, Feb. 18, 2004)

August 31, 1999: First invoice for porn site design. Name used is "Jeff"

September 27, 1999: GOPUSA.com registered

February 23, 2000: underwear photo uploaded to AOL

What we don't know is Gannon the same fellow as the Guckert that attended WCU in 1980?

A photo would help because the similarites found in the photos of Gannon compared to a kid named Johnny Gosch, whose abduction in 1982 has been linked to a DC child-prostitution ring. Gannon also bears remarkable resemblences to Johnny's parents, Noreen Gosch and J. Gosch, Sr.

We also know that Gannon claimed to be 31 or 32 in 2001 and 2003 on his escort websites. Yet, the other fellow, Guckert that attended WCU in 1980, was supposed to have been born in 1957.

So you see, there are still uncertainties. We are not sure of who Gannon is, we know he admits that JD Guckert "is the name on his drivers license".

a photo of the JD Guckert from 1980 would really help us out!

BTW - Welcome to DU! :hi: I hope you enjoy the ride, be careful it can be very addicting. ;-)

I would change one line:

"A photo would help because the similarites found in the photos of Gannon compared to a kid named Johnny Gosch, whose abduction in 1982 has been linked to a DC child-prostitution ring. Gannon also bears remarkable resemblences to Johnny's parents, Noreen Gosch and J. Gosch, Sr."

Just because I wouldn't know who the heck the Gosch's were and why their names were suddenly linked with Gannon's photo.

But other than that--top notch recap!! :thumbsup:

:toast:

And our research continues!

because of the past linkages to Bush family and kiddie sex rings....and someone, was it Andy?, looking at the info came across John Gosch's photo (he was abducted at age 11, and there was a supposed CIA connection).

Then there were noted physical similarities and other odd coincidences:

John David Gosch (newspaper carrier)abducted to be a sex slave?
James Dale Guckert (sex worker/escort/spook?)
Jeff Daniel Gannon (reporter)

Young Gosch worked for a man named Gannon. His age matches one of Gannon's reported ages...but who knows which of all the things Gannon says is true?

Gosch's mom Noreen will neither deny nor confirm whether Gannon's her son. Strange position to take!

It was sparkles in thread 131 of the first wrinkle thread.

Now I know why I had such a hard time following this.

So -- 1980 - JD Guckert was attending WCU and was a member of the TKE fraternity.

1982 -- J. Gosch, Sr. and Noreen Gosch's son, Johnny Gosch, was abducted and his abduction was linked to a DC child-prostitution ring.


I'll have to read more of this -- but in two years he had a family? How old was Johnny when he was abducted? Did he have two identities when he was at WSU? This is worth the time it takes to read all of this.

Thanks for the update!!!


Edit: OK - I was confused - so you think Gannon was Johnny Gosch - not Senior. He was 11 when he was abducted - that would make him born in 1971 and he'd be 34 today.

If he was born in 1957 like the TKE guy - he'd be 48 today. So he was probably one or the other - is that right? I'll keep reading.

bulldog Jeff Gannon aka James Guckert is the JD Guckert that attended WSU in 1980 and was a TKE. If he is that JD Guckert, his date of birth would be 1957 and obviously he could not be Johnny Gosch. We are trying to get a photo of the JD Guckert from 1980.

However, in comparing the photos of Bulldog to Johnny Gosch, Noreen Gosch and Johnny Gosch, Sr., it is hard to dismiss the facial similiarites. They are uncanny. Bulldog has a thin upper lip and full bottom lip, he has prominent check bones like NG's and a cleft in his chin like JG,Jrs. His eyes turn downward like JG,Srs. and they all have the same chin.

Gosch was disappeared in 1982, NG has reported that she was visited by him in 1997.

On Bulldog's escort sites he says he is 31 or 32 and those with the reviews of his "talents" do not dispute his age. It appears that the info on those sites was completed in 2001 or 2002, so if he wasn't lying about his age on the site, his age would be consistent with JG's age.

NG, acting on the advice of her attorney, will neither admit or deny that bulldog is her son.

We have a photo of bulldog, as JD Guckert, at a 2001 party of the TKE where he attended as an alumnus frat member. He is wearing glasses. We also have the minute entries from the TKE in 2001-2004 that make reference of JD Guckert as the webmaster and a big brother to pledges. We also have an odd May 2004 reference in the minutes where JDG is discussed in an attempt to dismiss the rumors that he was CIA or FBI. One member recognizes him as a reporter on CSpan, Gannon.

So that is where our search has taken us. Many have linked the very creepy articles/sites that discuss the Franklin case and the CIA psyop program that involved abducting minors, subjecting them to sexual abuse and using them as sex slaves for various reasons (mind control experiments, to pimp to foreign and national leaders and use photos and videos for blackmail, to satisfy the pleasures of leaders, etc.)

You can imagine what it would mean to the BFEE if it is linked to the sicko pedophile ring if it is discovered that bulldog is Gosch and not Guckert. Who gave him the identity and why was he allowed in the WH? If he is Gosch & not Guckert, what happened to Guckert from 1980?

:shrug:

Didn't someone also say that Guckert joined the military AFTER graduating from WSU? And that it is unusual for a person to join the military AFTER graduating from college unless maybe it was a good first step for some company. PERHAPS the "real" Guckert was also a sppok - he died - and since Gannon couldn't use the identity of "Gosch" - he was given Guckert's identity.


Does anyone know Gucker's (from WSU) parents, etc? On CNN Gannon went on and on about how his family (Mother and Brother? - NOT Wife and Kids) have been harrassed by this whole thing. Who are they - if he has assumed Gucker's identity - he wouldn't be in contact with his real Mother. Was that totally made up - we know Gannon lies like crazy?

Does anyone fear that we are not safe discussing this?

there are those that are convinced that bulldog is the JDG that attended WSU in 1980 and some have suggested the names of that JDG's living relatives.

I fear not getting to the bottom of the scandal more than I fear discussing these possibilities.

I just took 2 hours to read this thread. Whew! But - you guys are doing terrific work! Way to go!!

by John DeCamp.

I tried ordering it from Amazon, I was told it would be 2 months. I ended up getting it from a used book store (even signed by Ted Gunderson.)

Used book stores might be your best bet in getting a copy. We are blessed with many in Dallas, but I found it at the first little neighborhood "mom and pop" operation that I went to.

this is 5 new threads since yesterday afternoon..i spent four hours researching this morning i go back to the board and there are 2 new boards.. this is not a game for some this seems a game..and i know peoples lives are at stake..and i am not posting anymore here!!

this is disrupting the flow of real research and info..this is nothing more than gossip now..and i want no part of that.
there very possibly can be peoples lives at stake ..this is not a game.

this is not a wwwoo woo

fly

what is 'wwwoo woo'?

i think most here are taking it all quite seriously, we just all may have some slower connections than others, so the long threads take a looong time to load.

oh, i think you meant to reply to the original thread, not LibInTexas, which is why some got confused.

you have to understand that those of us on dial up have a hard time accessing and adding to threads that are over 200 posts. As for the chit-chat, well, that happens. Don't take offense or let it bother you. Ignore them just like you ignore the threads in the forums that don't interest you. Rest fly and step away for awhile, but please don't give up on the search for the truth. :hug:

This whole topic is needing current, up-to-date research that many of us cannot access. The speculation is fed more by a lack of info than anything else, I think.

Nobody here thinks it's a game. Seriously. I don't contribute as often or as well, but I understand this is deadly earnest.

Peace.

to hit a 1000 tonight. :-)

im reading it right not and its not an easy task by any stretch. i am literally scared for children.

I would never want to be brainwashed sheep, but it has crossed my mind that being ignorant would be lovely. Im sure it would cut down on my sleepness nights, if nothing else.

looking for a photo of R. Gregory Stevens and have found nothing ( I want to see if he is bald ). Anyone have any luck?

...Thanks Merh...

http://srcpmedia.com/greg.htm

... so he may well have been bald by 2005.

he could also shave it like the trend seems to be today.

wtf does this guy have to do with anything?

:shrug:

i did read about that earlier.

just an observation. Peace.

:shrug:

I didn't think much of it at the time, but maybe that has something to do with the nickname of Bulldog?

That in itself makes me :scared:

Reform and regime change.
Anything that takes people's minds off of what is really going on. :freak:

Has "Jeff Gannon" ever actually said the words: "I was born James Guckert"? It seems to me that in all his answers about the name thing (that I've seen, anyway) he has been evasive. The "that's the name on my driver's license" doesn't really convince me that was the name he was born with.

Sorry if this has been covered. I've been following all the wrinkles threads, but I must admit my memory isn't the greatest.

other threads, but I am glad you posted it in this one to help refresh our recollections! :hi:

When researching and investigating no question or comment should be considered silly! ;-)

I'll keep following along as best I can, and perhaps at some point I can contribute something to this line of inquiry.

threads and so many people adding to the discussion, it is hard to keep up with it all. Please feel free to comment at any time. :hi:

It was mentioned before that Gannon said that (James Guckert) was the name on his drivers license. It didn't convince a lot of us. In the interview with Anderson Cooper (I think) he said that was the name given to me. Still not convincing...given to him by who? His parents, Lawrence King, cia, etc.?

http://www.trance-formation.com/

I remember seeing this book in a bookstore when I was a teenager and thinking "Sheesh, what a nut job." Now, I don't know.

but now -- well, I have to wonder who are the nutt jobs and who are the one's that are willing to face reality, no matter how bizarre, how scary or how evil!

When I watched that Mel Gibson movie a few years back I thought what a bunch of kooks, now, well, I am not too sure. :eyes:

or absence of Andy. I agree with others, he's monitoring and posting along, I believe. I also received an email and he expressed great pleasure in the threads, so in the words of my teen son, "Let's Do This!"

Merh, I saw your request for a photo of the guy in the Washington Blade. Let me hold off on that until a picture shows up that is definitively that of the Greg Stevens who died, and I can see whether there's a likeness. I'd rather not drag some poor innocent guy in if he's not the one!

As for the Guckert who died in the eighties, pretty much all the Guckerts who died from then until now were quite elderly. The Latter Day Saints database is a very useful genealogical tool, and does have Social Security death information in it.

http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/Search/frameset_search.asp

post #173 in Wrinkles 8.

I noted that the Guckert who died in '83 was elderly, but that Gannon/Guckert may still be using his info (such as SS#) and also assuming some of the identity of the Guckert who graduated from West Chester in 1980.

If you have two Jim Guckerts, a "real" one who's inactive in his fraternity, and one who shows up after 20 years to become an active alumni member, who would know the difference? The real Guckert's friends would just think this dude in the news named Jim Guckert had the same name as their friend. Th kids in the frat now wouldn't know the "real" Guckert to compare him. This could explain why no one from his alleged past has come forward--to them, Jim Guckert is alive and well.

With how little most people have heard about Gannon/Guckert via the MSM, I have to believe that most people don't know the Gannon/Guckert connection to TKE. Just us obsessed with him here, and inside the beltway.

At least, that's my working theory at this point.

Welcome to DU, Ferry Fey! :hi:


*edited to correct typo.

form a comprehensive history for both and them find out where the connections are. We may not find a backround that fits a normal pattern. If this man was USED than there will not be ONE comprehensive and patterned history. I think this is what is tripping us.

The following is info about Lee Harvey Oswald. Assuming he was manipulated by the same people there are things to be learned. They have been doing this game for along time. If this machine of assholes have been creating false lives for over 40 yrs than we need to begin to see the patterns AS THEY CREATE THEM, not as WE think they should be.

*****

Oswald lost a from tooth as a boy. It is shown in a picture from his school days. The man that was arrested for shooting Kennedy had ALL HIS TEETH. As did the remains that were exhumed.

http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/Tooth/Tooth.htm

Medical records say "Oswald" had his tonsils removed as a young boy. His military records show a bout of tonsillitis with...SWELLING OF HIS LEFT TONSIL.

http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/Tonsillectomy/Tonsil...

A woman working in unemployment saw "Oswald" two times in a matter of a few months. Although very similar and almost seeming to be the same man she SWORE they were not. One was even taller.

A teacher and friend of Oswald's says he was NOTICEABLY shorter after a break.

This sound SO MUCH LIKE THIS with GANNON. We may need to REALLY START thinking outside the box.



These are the photos the government identified as Oswald.


There is a neat military looking fellow. He appears to have a narrower forehead and longer face then the commonly known Oswald. Yet their eyes are EXTREMELY similar.

Oswald repeatedly showed up in two places at once. He was seen several times in CA during the time he was overseas in the military.



http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/

After 9/11, someone said it was suspicious that many of the victims from the four flights did not appear in the Social Security Death Index. I checked and found out that all the elderly victims were listed and it was only the younger ones who weren't.

The SSDI is not a comprehensive list of everbody who dies in this country. It only includes deaths for which notification has been sent to the Social Security Administration, and notification is legally required only when the person who dies has been receiving Social Security payments.

So the fact that all the Guckets shown in the SSDI the relevant period were elderly is of absolutely no relevance. All it means is than if any younger Guckerts died then, they're not in the list.

PubMed Central (PMC) is the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) free digital archive of biomedical and life sciences journal literature.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/about/faq.html
Advisory Committee
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/about/nac.html

Use of the Social Security Administration Death Master File for ascertainment of mortality status

Internet sources of vital status
Internet sites such as http://Ancestry.com<1> provide free access to the SSA Death Master File, maintained by the Social Security Administration. The Death Master File contained 65,445,243 records of decedents with social security numbers whose deaths were reported to the SSA and was current through January 2001 at the time of this study. Search tools such as the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) available as a free service on the Internet contain information fields for social security number, surname, given name, date of death, date of birth, last known residence, location of last benefit, and date and place of issuance. The database is not downloadable, however, software to allow for multiple searches can be easily implemented using packages such as JAVA. Searches can be conducted with any one field or a combination of fields. For this study we used date of birth, social security number and/or first and last name.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=406423

Basically,
those blokes are saying that the SSA Death Master file is PHENOMENAL
and also that the SSDI
(which is a slightly less complete version
of the SSA Death Master File)
is not shabby either.
Apparently 94 to 97 per cent of all SSA death info is current and accurate.

Almost 10 months after the World Trade Center attack, a widow found out that an identity clone had been living and working using her husband's information. He had died during the attack.
<snip>
Identity thieves obtain information about deceased individuals in various ways. They may watch the obituaries, steal death certificates, or even get the information from websites that offer a Social Security Death Index file. These websites are supposed to be used for genealogy research but are sometimes used to steal an identity. Unfortunately, the thief may also be a family member who may be taking advantage of the situation or who has been using that identity for a long time already. This may be especially true if the deceased suffered from a lengthy illness, mental confusion, or there is arguing among family members prior to the death.
The problem is that financial institutions are not immediately made aware that their customer is deceased. It takes time for the Social Security Administration to transmit the Death Master File to the financial industry. Until the institution receives word that the individual is deceased, the account remains active. As of this writing, that file is not complete. It is based on information provided by consumers and some governmental agencies. Unfortunately many deaths do not appear on the list.
http://www.idtheftcenter.org/vg117.shtml

Jimmy Hoffa probably does NOT appear on the SSDI database because his death has not yet been confirmed. It is possible that he is still alive -- although I personally wouldn't bet on it.

Beginning on May 15, 1978, applicants for SSNs have had to document (using documents such as birth certificate or driver’s license) age, identity, and citizenship or alien status. If the applicant is at least 18 years old, a personal interview is conducted to determine if the person has had an SSN before. Additional verification is performed, such as contacting the State Bureau of Vital Statistics to verify the existence of a birth certificate, conducting a search for a death certificate or verifying Immigration and Naturalization documents presented by the applicant.
Currently, the verification process is based on a combination of personal data such as name, date and place of birth, sex, mother’s maiden name, and father’s name. These data elements are also used to screen the SSA database for any previous issuance to the person. The SSA reported to Congress in 1997 that its SSN database is highly accurate and allows assignment of an SSN within 24 hours if there are no questions about the data.
http://cltg.org/cltg/privacy/privssan.html

Let us look at the 911 people for just ONE moment -- since we can check them out without invasion of privacy concerns.
Ryan Allen who was a 19 year old kid from Kansas in 2004.
On April 10, Allen was trying to buy a car at Van Chevrolet in Kansas City. When the dealership checked his credit, Allen’s Social Security number came up as being that of Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, whom federal authorities have called a senior al-Qaida operative.
Al-Shibh is on the list of "blocked persons" that is maintained by the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, or OFAC, which orders U.S. banks to block assets of suspected terrorist financiers and enforces economic sanctions against some countries and against suspected drug overlords.
The connection prompted the dealership to call police, which called the FBI, which said it did not have a high priority because al-Shibh was arrested two years ago in Pakistan, Allen said.
The car dealership said it could not sell Allen a car because his Social Security number was on the list.
http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Apr/20040422News025.asp
In order to even QUALIFY for Social Security number a foreigner must first legally enter the US and then present their paperwork to the SSA. Ramzi never entered the US. Therefore, in order for that number to have been issued to Ramzi, then Ramzi must have had a benefactor who is as influential as the person who got JeffJames into the White House.
The case of Ramzi is NOT one of stolen identity.
The number was identified as being that of Ramzi.
We have no idea where Ryan Allen fits into any of this, especially since SS numbers are NEVER recyled.

Almost 10 months after the World Trade Center attack, a widow found out that an identity clone had been living and working using her husband’s information. He had died during the attack.
http://www.idtheftcenter.org/html/fs120.htm
So the widow, became a widow all over again.
In this case, the number traced back to her husband,
who was still snuggly interred within his grave.

In summary,
the SSA knows and keeps very decent records which can be accessed online.

In the case of the 911 people, Gov Pataki suspended the NY law which insists that people must first be proven to have existed before they can be issued death certificates. Gov Pataki issued an Executive Order allowing two copies of a death certificate to be issued if a family member an an employer both wrote out an affidavit.
This was done so that the families would quickly be able to qualify for SS benefits, and yet these deaths remain unreported, and unrecorded by the SSA, to this very day.
Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of the 911 people do not appear to exist ANYWHERE outside of Gov Pataki's Executive Order.

But to return to JeffJames:
for what it is worth, the SSDI lists a
J D GANNON
Born 02 Mar 1907
Died 13 Mar 2000 (Verified)
of zip code 20814 located in Bethesda, Montgomery county, Maryland.
The SS number was issued in the District of Columbia.

If memory serves,
this death occurred BEFORE JeffJames showed up on the radar.
Not that it matters.
The Justice Department is adept at relocating people and giving them completely new IDs. Perhaps JeffJames' benefactor pulled some strings....

Thanks for the links and the info on the deceased Guckerts.

I am not sure if elderly matters when assuming identities. :shrug: Anyone else have a theory or know if age matters?

you want to steal a recently departed and I don't think age mattered. Now that was way back when that I am thinking about and I think that the reasons for doing it that way had something to do with the crossing of the records.

Remember this is just something popping up in my mind and may not be accurate.

JoBeth Williams and River Phoenix as a kid. Hersh & Williams were anti-war protestors in the 60's and they were running from the gov. They assumed identities and/or never gave true ss#s - they would check obits at least that is the movie I am tieing this to.

Now if its the gov, they don't have to assume an identity, they just create one. They, afterall, are the ones that give ss#s and keep up with the census info. How else do they hide witnesses in the witness protection program?

And, most likely relevant to the Guckert/Gannon/Gosch situation.

Peace.

But you don't want to assume that if other alternatives are available. Checking the obits for Guckerts help narrow the possibilities. Bulldogs speaks of a mother - what happened to his father, if he had one as a Guckert?

:shrug:

matches available info. At propagannon, Susan has accepted Guckert's id that has him graduating from HS in Pennsylvania, going to college, getting a teaching credential.

That ID has a deceased father, a living mother and brother.

As far as I can tell, that information comes from Gannon himself, during his interview with Wolf Blitzer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3216717

Does propagannon cite any other source of family information, apart form Gannon's own claims?

Jim Guckert Conneaut Lake High School Conneaut Lake PA 1971-1975

If this is so, there are possible relatives as well:

Possible father, deceased:

DONALD G GUCKERT Birth 26 Jan 1932 Death18 Oct 1996 (V)
Last Residence Conneaut Lake, Crawford, PA

Possible Mother

GUCKERT, JUNE E CONNEAUT LAKE, PA 16316

Possible Brother

GUCKERT, THOMAS G CONNEAUT LAKE, PA 16316 Age 49 DOB 06/1955

***SusanG says this is definitely him, that it has been confirmed.

--------------------------------

However.........no photo yet? Anyone go to Lake High School in Conneaut Lake? Do we have photos, say from yearbook? Wait a minute...is this where the "golf team" photos showed up? If so that did NOT look at all like our guy.

Comment from: ralph greco
I went to high school with a James D. Gucket from 1972-1975 at Conneaut Lake, PA. I am 47,(the same as he says he is)and some of the photos I've seen of Gannon/Guckert look remarkably like him, (except he no longer wears glasses, has long hair, and may have gotten the huge gap between his two upper front teeth repaired). And he was openly gay and a self-identified republican then as well. Is this the same person who then was known as James,Jim, James Dale, and J.D.Guckert?
Permalink Sunday, February 27, 2005 @ 14:46

http://secureliberty.org/index.php/2005/02/11/who_is_jeff_gannon

If you go back to the photo from the TKE party in 2001 with JDG in the red shirt, you will see he has on glasses. :freak: Also, if you look at the photo with JDG with hair and a smile in the t-shirt with the marine emblem on his chest, you will see that it appears he has a small gap in his teeth.

I would have to ask the guy that posted the info you have linked here if he knows whether or not the James Dale Guckert joined the military and what branch and ask him for a high school photo from his year book if he has it.

Keep in mind, if JDG is a created persona, those that created him could easily be posting disinformation confirming his identity to stop the inquiries.

I really think a photo of who these folks say is the JD Guckert should be supplied to confirm his identity.

or other verification. No reply yet but I'll certainly post if he answers.

If he did go to HS with bulldog, maybe he is writing a tell all!

The alleged classmate of JDG's description of JDG was odd. Do you think a guy who was gay as he described could get into the military in the 80's?

Specifically mentioned glasses (TKE photo) and tooth gap (Johnny Gosch). So once again... it comes down to needing a photo.

Bulldog's eyes turn down and are not at all like the boy's eyes in that photo. So what happened to that boy? Could bulldog have been put with the Guckert family to replace the golfer boy? Okay, just typing possibilities here -- I just don't see the golfer's eyes being the same as bulldog's and the eyes are the window to the soul!

:freak:

(sigh)....things seem to keep going in big circles!

I concentrated so hard on spelling Conneaut right and remembering Lakeview High that I left off the Lake (and mispelled Conneaut too!) :dunce:

This is from Wrinkles 5
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3214059#3214482
This was posted by Kire

"Regarding Gannon, by now you probably know that his real name is J. D. Guckert. I cehcked the relevant yearbook and found that he graduated from WCU in 1980, was involved in TKE fraterity, was a resident assistant for two years, played soccer one year and was the sports editor of the Quad. He's from Conneaut Lake PA, wherever that is."

"The Library has the Quad on microfilm from those years, and as Sports Editor, he probably shows up in most of them. It's worth a look, but I probably won't get to it any time soon (my eyes are really bad as well, so reding microfilm is probably impossible).

While I was in the library yesterday, I met a freelance journalist who was researching the subject. I told him about the Quad on microfilm, so maybe he'll have a look. He said he was composing an article for Vanity Fair."

The Quad --- has an online version
http://www.wcuquad.com/

Back issues only go back to Nov. 2003
There is a place to write to the editor..........

Keeping up with all the data on these threads is mind-boggling.

BTW...that photo job with Gosch/Guckert is what keeps me jabbing away at the possibility that these two are one and the same. Nice work!

Died Oct. 18, 96. And then there is this. A person who KNEW him in high school in Conneaut Lake.


Comment from: ralph greco
I went to high school with a James D. Gucket from 1972-1975 at Conneaut Lake, PA. I am 47,(the same as he says he is)and some of the photos I've seen of Gannon/Guckert look remarkably like him, (except he no longer wears glasses, has long hair, and may have gotten the huge gap between his two upper front teeth repaired). And he was openly gay and a self-identified republican then as well. Is this the same person who then was known as James,Jim, James Dale, and J.D.Guckert?
Permalink Sunday, February 27, 2005 @ 14:46


http://secureliberty.org/index.php/2005/02/11/who_is_jeff_gannon

It is the last comment.

Too bad ralph didn't add a picture to his post.

On those pages, Gannon/Guckert supposedly wrote that he had not always been a republican, that his parents were democrats. (Paraphrased)

http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2005_02_01_americablog_archive.html

Scroll to "Gannon and Guckert are definitively connected"

Peace.

in Alaska. I can't see how age would matter if they gave that identity to a young person in Pennsylvania or Ohio or Colorado. What would be the chances of an man's death in Alaska intersecting with a person 50 years his junior somewhere in the continental US? Even if "our" Jim Guckert met up with someone in that other Jim Guckert's family, the original Guckerts would just think Gannon/Guckert was a distant, long-forgotten relative.

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And your input is most welcome. There was a replay of Noreen Gosch's 3 hour interview the other night on webradio (prerecorded from last year, I understand) and the host of the show ended the program by emphatically saying that, "this whole scandal is about satansism more than anything else"

it gave me the chills.

thanks for the welcome, Donailin. Yeah I want to hear that interview...she was also interviewed last night too, wasn't she?


One thing I don't quite understand though...why did my original message get deleted? I don't think I broke any of the rules...I didn't use foul language or anything...I don't get it. Is there anyone who can tell me why?

Your post might have been deleted because you linked sites that are not allowed here. You might want to go to the admin forum and ask them about the post. Tell them basically what it contained and ask them to explain why it was deleted.

I don't remember what you posted exactly, but you did include links. From what I recall, the substance was not disruptive and it did not contain any personal attacks, so it might have been your links.

Again, just ask the admin and welcome to DU! :hi:

...that's weird though because I wrote my post in Word on my computer and still have it saved. I just re-read it and I can't find any links...I quoted a website, but I didn't say which site I got it from.


I guess I'll try the admin forums...thanks for the info and the welcome!

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I was wondering what was posted, because the posts replying to you were friendly and not like a normal tombstoning. Welcome to DU!
Whatever it was, you weren't banned, so onward.
:P

Your post was deleted because of the link you gave, TBR wasn't it? at one time that site was allowed to be linked here but the Admins have changed their minds on it. It has been said that the site is run by a Holocaust denier. I do not read it for that nor have I ever read anything like that there. I read the site, and so do alot of people here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=28320

Actually I just re-read my original post again and there are NO LINKS in the post. I QUOTED a website, but it was not TBR...(I'm not even sure what TBR is, actually), I didn't even list the URL for the website the quote came from, so for all the mods know, I could have gotten that anywhere.

and then my post asking for the mod who deleted the original post to show me what I did wrong gets deleted?! I'm sure it was because it's in the wrong forum, but why not have a "moved to another forum" function then? What else can I do if my post count isn't high enough to start a new thread? man, how does anything even get done on this site? so much beauracracy......I think I'll stick to reading and researching on my own ....I don't think I should be a part of this site or board.


Good luck to everyone with this topic... I think the mainstream media is going to be picking up on this more and more...and a lot of it is due to this discussion. I'm sorry that some unseen mod deemed my information offensive to the site, because I was really looking forward to sharing what I had and learning from the rest of you....but I'm not gonna sit here in the dark and wonder why with no answer given..or even attempted to be given...by the mods.


Have a nice day everyone!

Hopefully you will stay around to see what they have to say.

:hi:

... was this post deleted? So you'll delete posts that are asking for an explanation, but not just explain why? This is hilarious! It's like Terry Gilliam's "Brazil".

and for what it's worth: of the 157 persons sentenced to death in Texas during George W Bush's tenure as governor, only one had his sentence commuted by the governor. That fortunate person was none other than notorious serial killer Henry Lee Lucas:

"Strangely enough, this singular compassionate act by the governor has gone almost completely unmentioned by the mainstream media, even amidst the flurry of stories generated by the two previously mentioned cases. When McGinn was granted a stay of execution, many press accounts noted that this was the first stay issued by the governor, while avoiding mention altogether of the fact that Bush had previously granted an outright commutation. Other accounts claimed that the McGinn case was the first death penalty case in which Bush had taken any action.

Only a few media accounts made mention of the fact that Governor Bush had, in fact, intervened to stop the scheduled execution of a condemned man in June 1998. Virtually none of these accounts, however, made mention of who the recipient of this commutation was. And the recipient was, it should be noted, no garden-variety criminal. No, this was a very special case indeed, for the man whose life was spared by 'Law & Order' George was none other than serial killer Henry Lee Lucas. Lucas is not a garden-variety serial killer: he is probably the most prolific, and arguably the most brutal, serial killer in the American crime annals.

Why then was it this man, and he alone, who received clemency from the governor? Why has there been a nearly complete blackout of this story in the media? Why, for that matter, has there been no mention of it by any of Bush's presidential rivals, Republican or Democrat, despite its obvious power as a weapon in the current campaign?"

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id419/pg1/

That's a little weird, but probably not too significant. But then, there are certain rumours about Henry Lee involving satanism as well as him being recruited from prison to be an assassin for an alphabet agency. He claimed to receive orders from a sect called The Hand of Death on occasions (Incidentally, so did apperantly Charles Manson. Now the rational explanation is of course that Lucas got the idea from reading about Manson). To be taken with a very large grain of salt, of course, but insofar as one accepts the possibility of a national security state-"satanism"-mind control connection, it should at least fit the theme, without saying anything about its plausibility. (please wait while I adjust the tinfoil... takes some getting used to:-))

This is a relatively un-hyperbolic summary:
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/killers/lucas.html

This is more "out-there":
http://www.konformist.com/2000/henry.htm

"Lucas claimed that he was trained by the cult in a mobile paramilitary camp in the Florida Everglades in the fine art of killing, up close and personal. Other training involved abduction and arson techniques."

I can't vouch for the sources, as I know nothing about them.

Probably nothing more to it than a nutcase serial killer and a governor excercising his compassionate conservatism though... :tinfoilhat:

BTW, Nick Cave sings about Henry Lee in one of his murder ballads!

...
In a bizarre turn of events, 1998 also produced the first-ever commutation of a contemporary Texas death sentence granted in response to an inmate’s petition. On 26 June, Governor George Bush commuted the death sentence of Henry Lee Lucas to life imprisonment, one week after asking the Board of Pardons to review the case due to longstanding questions about his guilt. Lucas gained notoriety for confessing to more than 600 murders, including the crime that resulted in his death sentence. A subsequent investigation by the Texas Attorney General concluded that Lucas was perpetrating a massive hoax on the authorities by falsely confessing to unsolved crimes.

Despite concerns raised by the Attorney General and employment records showing that he was in Florida at the time of the crime, Lucas spent 14 years on death row. Characteristically, Board chairperson Victor Rodriguez insisted that the Board remained convinced of Lucas's guilt as determined by his trial jury. "Nothing we've done affects that finding," he stated.(24)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engAMR510851999

our friend George did the right thing. The thing is, he did the right thing only once:

"The first case, that of Ricky Nolen McGinn, resulted in the first stay of execution issued by Governor Bush. Following quickly on the heels of this case was the scheduled execution of Gary Graham, a man convicted and sentenced to death solely on the testimony of a single eyewitness. Her testimony went unchallenged by Graham's defense counsel, who also failed to call a number of witnesses whose testimony would have pointed towards the innocence of the accused. Despite the mockery of a trial received by the condemned man, Bush allowed the execution to proceed.

This was far from being the first case where Bush allowed a man to be executed despite questions of innocence and serious improprieties that occurred during the condemned men's trials. A Chicago Tribune newspaper independent investigation revealed dozens of similar cases. Governor Bush has been extremely reluctant to exercise his 'compassionate conservatism' on behalf of any death row inmate whose case has come before him. Bush now has the rather dubious distinction of having presided over more executions than any governor in any state in the country's history has. He has accomplished this in just over five years.

Among those who have been put to death under Bush's tenure have been many who would not long ago have been considered ineligible for the ultimate punishment by the state, including women, the mentally ill, the mentally retarded, and those whose offenses were committed as juveniles. Bush has had no moral qualms with endorsing the executions of all such inmates whose cases have crossed his desk. In nearly 140 scheduled executions that the governor has presided over, in only one case has he granted clemency and spared the condemned man from his appointment with the executioner."

That's the weird part...

... jorge regularly got his jollies executing people, even laughed about them pleading for mercy. The exception jumps out and i cite the AI report only for the cover used to justify his "decision".

Tucker Carlson can attest for that!

Giving a condemned man the benefit of the doubt is extremely out of character for our friend. And this man at that, who is arguably as disgusting as they come, even if he didn't actually commit most of the murders he confessed to. Conspicuous.

;)

That feels much better now that I can keep those CIA microwaves out of my head. If it weren't for those darned chemtrails... :P

I got a PM from Gelliebeans replying to my post 173 in Wrinkles 8. I stated in the post that I didn't know where Gelliebeans got her info on the James Guckert who died in 1983. (Referring to her Post #223 in Wrinkles 5.) Here's what she wrote me:

"I got this information off the social security death index
regarding the Gannon/Guckert/Gosch thread. The tread was locked
so I couldn't reply in thread 8. I am an amateur genealogist so
I have lots of links to genealogy forums and pages. The death
seemed mysterious to me because as you pointed out it was one
year after the johnny gosch's disappearance."

So we have two separate confirmations of a James Guckert dying in 1983 during our boy's "lost years"--one from Social Security, and one from ancestry.com.

FWIW!

The Social Security death index is available Free to Ancestry.com subscribers.
All public libraries in Ohio subscribe to many of these expensive databases. Most are available through your libraries webpage with your library card number.
However, some databases are only available from within the library building. 2 of these are Ancestry Plus and Reference USA (a business and residential directory)
I think other states may be similar.

Ahhh....... I found it! I emailed this to myself. duh...

Name: James Guckert
SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Born: 12 Jan 1922
Last Benefit: xxxxx Fairbanks, Fairbanks North Star, Alaska, United States of America
Died: Nov 1983
State (Year) SSN issued: Ohio (Before 1951 )


Name: James W. Guckert
SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Born: 18 Sep 1917
Died: 4 Jan 1990
State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951 )

Here is the link to the SS death index using just first & last name.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gsfn=James&gsln=Guckert&f9=&f8=&f10=&f6=&f5=&f7=&f1=&f15=&f14=&f13=&f12=&f20=&f0=&prox=1&db=ssdi&ti=0&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=&gst=&rank=1&submit.x=89&submit.y=14

if you get a chance to read this. I did not know that TRBNews is an anti-semitic holocaust denier. As far as I'm concerned, that's makes anything they say not credible. But if there is independent verification, I think the things he/she said in his blog is an important direction for this investigation.

....I just wanted you (and others) to have both the background and the links in that particular DU thread.

As I've often commented to my colleagues, "there may be gold in them there hills, but don't get killed by an avalanche trying to find it." ;)

Peace.


TBO;24/7

just found this...
=====º↕==

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/123303.php

"Beware of the big green dragon that sits on your Doorstep. He eats little boys!" Bela Lugosi

The recent death of Hunter S. Thompson came as a shock to me and I actually thought it would be a shock to many others. An even bigger shock to me was that the idea that the great gonzo journalist committing suicide didn't seem to surprise anyone. He lived a very hard life and yet it seemed to me that Thompson would want to keep living just so he could have another day to get someone to think or piss someone off.

His death had actually got me to thinking about the reporter in the blogging age and the controversy surrounding Jeff Gannon/Guckert. Gannon you may remember was exposed as slap shot journalist that threw softball questions at the President. John Aravosis, who is a guerilla blogger first exposed Jeff Gannon as a gay prostitute whose real name is James Guckert.

The surprising thing is that the mainstream media wants to downplay this and the left wing is using it as a Lewinski type of scandal to bring down the Bush presidency. The left sees it at sexual hypocrisy. The problem for the left is that the reporting has to be done with kid gloves because of the gay issue, the issue of sex and the issues of sexual promiscuity.

Let's face it: the left doesn't like to beat up on people for having sexual appetites.

This type of story would have journalists like Hunter S. Thompson frothing at the mouth. Thompson would more than likely be a candidate to sink his teeth into this depravity and expose it to its darkest depths.

I was following seriously until this quote:

The names include John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, Richard Cheney, and George Herbert Walker Bush, who surprisingly has been known to allegedly shape shift into a giant reptile while attacking these so called sex slaves.

Damn lizard!

I think that Johnny Gosh is the wrong linchpin for this investigation. Try Googling "Todd Blodgett". This will really scare the shit out of you. Read the Washington Times 1989 original about bush I teenage gay male prostitutes. According to the original Washington Times report, one of the culprits is one Todd Blodgett -- purchaser of a racist anti-semitic record label, advisor to republican presidents and involved in the bush I gay male prostitute scandal.

Then read TRBNews speculation about who is behind the bush II gay male prostitute ring (even though I have been persuaded that TRBNews is not a completely credible news source because of its anti-semitic bent).

http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1376.htm

lol nevermind, i am losing it.

....though you may already know of all of this:

http://www.adl.org/resistance_records/print.asp

Peace.

TBO;24/7

Message title updated by author to reflect content.

Some of you probably know this already but I'm posting here anyway.

I was searching for James Guckert and up popped photo -- seemed I'd stumbled onto Jim/Jeff's new website. http://members.aol.com/jdg17/

Look at the welcome. Check out the links.

Something strange about those links - IMO. One: Jimmy Jeff uses names and language very coyly. And I can't forget the way in which he egged DU'ers on, daring them to find him.

Anyway --- the links:

Where I work: www.wepainttrucks.com

My guys: link to TKE website.

My guys -- my guise? Dunno............but??????????

I don't know how to do any of the web site searches, like when this was first posted and by whom. Maybe someone else can find that info?

But the fact that it says "Where I work" and it links not to the active company "We Paint Trucks" but to the portal site that now has that domain address seems odd. The link to the TKE site is fairly generic, too.

And why in the world wouldn't he link to his actual site, jeffgannon.com?

I don't know... it might be valid, but I'm skeptical.

*edited to add:

I do like your idea about the pun--"guys" for "guise". Might be something to that if this turns out to really be his site.

but at propagannon they have the website (aol) as jim jeff's new site. Seems he's changing his WHOIS info. (I don't really know what that means, just repeating it.)

Why would a fella who was given an "in" to the WH press corps attract attention with the softballs - which just got more and more outrageous over time? I mean, the press is pretty damn docile as it is, wouldn't you say?

Why would said fella also have pornographic websites? Thinks he's that smart that no one could track them down?

Why would he also hang out at DU and taunt folks, daring them to find him (cuz he's "hiding in plain sight"?)

Why would this person, who some say has connections to CIA do these things?

IF he is CIA, why would THEY allow all of this???

PS The post at propagannon: jeffgannon.com changing WHOIS information

Not after the firings and quittings and the Goss imposition and the diminuation of power.

That being said, I can't answer any of the rst of your questions, but I have my own questions. My favorite right now is this:

Why isn't the MSM reporting that a prostitute was in the press corp? They don't have to say he's gay--but last I heard, prostitution was illegal in DC.

I have given up on expecting anything out of them.

was PRECISELY to ask softball questions, promote administration anti-Dem viewpoints, and "defuse" the press gaggles with the softballs if the lines of questioning were getting tough for shrub or Scottie.

What would be the point of having your fake journalist plant there if they were going to be quiet and not do anything, or ask the same kind of questions as the real journalists? :shrug:

and they aren't. Haven't been in quite a while. Maybe I'm seeing stuff that isn't there. Dunno.........won't know without asking the questions.

long before Gannon.

But you don't understand. Shrubco has a massive megalomaniacal need to control everything about the message.

It's also not "necessary" to have completely fake, scripted town hall meetings trashing Social Security that are easily exposed as scripted and fake. But they do it.

It's not "necessary" for shrubco to have slipped Armstrong Williams $200K under the table to pimp No Child Left Behind. I mean, who pays attention to that guy? But they did it.

They are spending MASSIVE amounts of money and effort to propagandize the country. Some of it, like Fox News, is massively successful for them. Other things, like Armstrong Williams, is probably not worth the embarrassment of exposure for whatever benefit he provided for them.

It's what they DO.

Thanks for connecting the dots.

I think his position in the WH press was to give him high profile camera time and credibility as being "a news Washington DC bureau chief" as he has been described. Also handing off scoops like the advance of shock and awe, Mary Mapes and other "scoops" to various organizations like FUX News.

I think this was all for the purpose of gaining a reputation so that he could be fed (by, say, Rove) other stories and plant them with credibility. Another method of spreading disinformation and damaging stories about the Admin's enemies.

Go to www.jeffgannon.com

Click on his link to give a donation. Click on the next link (button). Look at the address: aol.jdg17!!!!

I'm glad you found us, sojourner!

:toast: :toast: :toast:

...contribution via our federal income tax payments. :evilgrin:

Just wish those who interviewed him had asked him one of the questions I sent them, like, Mr Gannon are you Secret Service, CIA, ....., or ?

Peace.


TBO;24/7

I can't help wondering what Gannon was implying on his 3/6/05 update:

"I watched a clip of Sen. Joe Biden on Bill Maher's HBO crapfest. I wonder why he didn't mention meeting me some years ago. C'mon Joe, think....

Also, was there any response to a previous post about a man having sex with Karl Rove?

in his posts on his site. But what they mean, I haven't a clue, only a suspicision.

I am not aware of any follow up to that poster that alleges to have known rove in the '70s.

BTW, a warm welcome to DU! :hi:

to him once... years ago, he is supposed to be remembered. He's such an arrogant little stud isn't he.:-)

And most here think that post from someone mentioning having sex with Karl Rove was some troll. Whether you're a troll from the left or the right, you got to give some kind of proof!

But I think he tries to portray himself as far more important than he is. His cryptic messages are just to make people pay attention to him. I suppose he may have run across Biden in DC sometime, walked up and put out his hand, saying, "I'm Jeff Gannon, Talon News." Just so he could say EXACTLY this sort of shit. "Oh sure, I'm such a DC insider, I know Biden." He is a major bullshitter.

And he claimed to have "entertained Tony Blair". Uh-huh. Just trying to portray himself as important.

He seems quite juvenile to me.

:shrug:

Gannon probably saw Biden across the room at some event. He can claim that they met, "Oh, we met at blahblah time. Are you saying you don't recall?". Gannon is a liar and a bullshitter and a self-agrandizing poser.

Why did Biden slam Gannon on Maher's show and ridicule him as a fake reporter, then, just a few days later, refuse to sign the letter with other dem senators calling for an investigation? Did he get a call or a letter or something that gave him a gentle reminder?

Don't know if you noticed, but my post was asking the other poster if that is what he/she was thinking - thus the question mark and shrug! You don't have to agree with me, but the subject line is as you scoff at me. IMHO, the condescending replies ('pfffftttt...') to other posts get old. Everyone has the right to an opinion or to ask a question or make a comment. Why has there been so much of this in the last few threads? Please be careful, the Plame threads which consisted of 20 threads of investigative work like this were shut down because folks started in fighting in the threads.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2225780

I think Gannon is full of sh*t and take little of what he has to say as having any credibility at all. Puffery.

The editorial comment was not directed at the poster at all.

I just can't seem to get why, its as if he knows he has the upper hand. But then again, he could be staying in the limelight, making the most of his 15 minutes. :shrug:

Thank you for clarifying that for me. :toast:

Well, I was doing a little research with my freebie Highbeam account on Mr. G, when I found these articles cited:

2.  Lions' Woodbine takes on old mate.
The Boston Herald; January 18, 1997; Martins, Gus
 ... scored 26 points and hauled in 12 rebounds as Burke defeated Dorchester, 75-64. In the Atlantic Conference, Rockland senior Jeff Gannon scored 17 points and Brian Smith added 14 points as the Bulldogs defeated Whitman-Hanson, 73-70. Marian improved its record ...

3.  <4> SCHOOLS: TOURNAMENT ACTION.(Sports)
The Boston Herald; March 5, 1997; Ventura, Dan
 ... the first half. The Bulldogs opened up a 14-point lead in the first half (31-17) as the trio of Chris Worden (27 points), Jeff Gannon (19) and Peter Condon (15) took turns tormenting the Shamrocks inside. The Shamrocks fought their way back, outscoring the ...

I found this info very interesting, but unfortunately it costs money to get an "upgraded account" to be able to read the entire article. If anyone has a Highbeam upgraded account, though, I'd urge you to look into it. There's some other intriguing results, too...but the Bulldog thing caught my eye.

have to do with anything?

ed to a team called "the Bulldogs." Also, hasn't he said he was a PE teacher? Please, I'm not suggesting that this is him...just perhaps a bit of info where he might have drawn his nom de plume (and nom d'amour).

Remember Gannon's Alumni role as the "Webmaster" for TKE frat? Well, what if he had been doing searches on the internet for "Bulldog" "Conservative" "Journalism" just to find ways to spruce up the TKE website? Do it on Google and see what you get. Gannon may have found this news site and became inspired to do something more than be a hooker and part time TKE webmaster? Maybe sign up for a $50 2-day course at The Leadership Institute...hmmm...

Just a thought...nothing solid, but amusing idea anyway...

a Gannon/Bulldog connection, but that is from 1997 and Gannon would have been well graduated by then.

That could be a factor here. Bush is a Connecticut Yankee, a preppy, a Yalie, a cheerleader, and a Skull & Boner.

Maybe "Gannon"-Guckert was just paying homage to Bush's alma mater.

Bow wow wow, indeed, more like barf arf arf

Bulldog.

There's a really fascinating find from my Highbeam search:

  Abourezk Sues Over 'Traitor' List
Roll Call; September 15, 2003; Ethan Wallison
 ... lawsuits like this that, if unanswered, would have the effect of putting restrictions on Internet speech," said Jeff Gannon, a foundation official who has been helping Marino. "If the suit actually went forward, it would break new legal ...

Again, I can't read the entire article. Note that this is set in South Dakota. Later, in his capacity as "journalist" Mr. G. wrote about the case; see

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/1004/102704-fonda.htm

I would dearly love to know what "foundation" Jeff Gannon was representing here. Anyone?

http://www.argusleaderonline.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-1504.html

(a really interesting discussion about him, BTW)

Don't let others bother you about your inquiries and your searches.
I appreciate the efforts. It might help if you go through the other threads to see what has been uncovered. It may help you with your queries! Thanks again! :hi:
:toast:

What's his connection? Any guesses? Anybody tried searching on Guckert/Gannon in So. Dakota? Mebbe during his "missing years"?

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

March 1, February 23, February 22.

for his interest in S. Dakota?

Thanks to poster upthread who brought the info on S. Dakota to the fore. Thanks to you too, troubleinwinter, for the link.

I'm troubled by the statements made upthread about Gosch being disappeared to Colorado (how far away is S. Dakota?) and an Indian Reservation. Any of those in S. Dakota?

Before I'm accused of trying to make the facts fit a theory, let me assure all that I'm just looking for what patterns are emerging from all the data we've gotten. And so far, we've got:

Gannon...Guckert...Delaware...Pennsylvania...but no photos of his early years. SO, let's look at South Dakota.

And his names...James Dale Gannon, Jeff Daniel Guckert, J. Daniels, I. Christian (got this one from propagannon)...ummm....what else? Anyone have others?

Gannon is a GOP operative. The purpose of his interest in S. Dakota was to get Daschle out and Thune elected.

Nothing at this point indicates any other connection to S. Dakota but DC GOP dirty tricks.

Also read Nashua Advocate's March 4 entry. There is a link to another bit on S. Dakota.

'Til looking at the Nashua Advocate, and the degree to which he was interested in S. Dakota. Then I wondered if there's more than meets the eye.

Sometimes gets hard not to scratch EVERY little bit of info for more...

The Lakota Reservation is the most poverty striken areas of the US.

Pine Ridge statistics

That's all I know, except the Leonard Peltier shoot out happened at Pine Ridge in the '70's. I know this is a tin foil hat thread, but I doubt there's a connection to that. :P

Hello, fellow citizens, snap out of it. You can bet your bippy there are reservations there.

If you are living on this Turtle Island Continent you call America, you would do well to learn about your roots; they are not in Europe or Asia or Africa anymore. They are right here beneath your feet.

It's getting late in the game. You are not visitors to Turtle Island anymore. You live here. Your ancestors are buried in the soil that covers the breast of the the Earth Mother, and the water your drink and the food you eat come (in most instances) from this land.

Without knowing at least the basics of the traditions and pathways that have made life and freedom possible here for so many millennia -- and those traditions are exceptionally stong in "South Dakota" -- then "they" will Bury your Hearts at Wounded Knee, also.

Excuse my rant. Got a button pushed.

and I understand the rant. Actually I very much respect the Native American tradition. Raised by a Montana cowboy who made damn sure we knew about the trail of tears, about the evil things done by the US against peoples who lived on this land long before we got here.

But, my geography isn't that good (especially of late), so I had to ask.

From Wrinkles 5: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3214059#3214771

From DU editorials forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=107011

From DU media forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=109&topic_id=18895

From DU general discussion:politics forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1633767

detail...this is so intriguing.

But it keeps looking like Gannon just appears out of nowhere. (Aside from the tax bill, the teaching credential, and college graduation/TKE membership -- neither of which is documented by photos as yet, right?).

KARLYN BARKER, WASHINGTON POST, JULY 24, 1990:
The alleged leader of what authorities have called the largest male prostitution operation in the Washington area surrendered to federal agents yesterday and pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges that have been filed against him and three alleged accomplices. Henry W. Vinson, 29, of Williamson, W.Va., a coal miner's son accused of setting up the homosexual escort service, was arraigned in U.S. District Court here yesterday afternoon after turning himself in to Secret Service agents . . .
. . . The Vinson case provoked additional notice after The Washington Times published reports last summer suggesting that the alleged prostitution ring had been patronized by government officials. The Times named as clients several low-level government employees and Craig J. Spence, a Washington lobbyist and party-giver who, the paper said, took friends and prostitutes on late-night tours of the White House. Spence was found dead in a Boston hotel room last fall, and authorities ruled his death a suicide . . .
...
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/sexandcapitol7,18,01.htm#article4

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2005/02/12discreditedrepo.html

...

James D. Guckert, who reported under the pseudonym Jeff Gannon, failed to pay Delaware more than $20,700 in personal state income tax from 1991 through 1994, according to documents filed in Superior Court in Wilmington.

State Division of Revenue Director Patrick Carter said the assessment has not yet been satisfied.

"When it rains, it pours," Guckert said Friday from his Washington home. He would not comment further.

...

Why is it that NOBODY, ABSOLUTELY NOBODY
has stepped up, tried to sell a story, or virtually admit that they knew this man when he was a teenager or a young adult? Think about his recent behavior patterns. This guy is NO WALLFLOWER! He's brazen, obnoxious and an in-your-face loudmouth. Yet, NOBODY knew this idiot when he was younger? Think back for a moment. How many of us knew guys (and girls, for that matter) like this 20 or so years ago? Don't we remember something about them because of their "need to be in the spotlight"...and their abrasive, cocky persona? Hell, I can recall of few of those jackasses firsthand! Was this guy just beamed down 20 years ago, or what? This is what troubles me. Where the hell is the history on this jerk?

He claims to be a devout Christian, correct? Where are his fellow parishioners, his pastors, etc.? Didn't he have a job to support himself throughout his late teens and twenties? However, we have no previous employers, no ex-employees, no acquaintances...no nada! I find the lack of history questionable, at best!

There is a timeline that shows we've got nothing on the guy from 1957-1975. That's 18 lost years. Why?

On edit: Found the timeline via Nashua Advocate on Daily KO'S!

Honestly...I think he's an agent. I saw a post over at propagannon that mentioned how upon his "sudden" appearance at TKE about 6 years ago, (the frat site) there was such a stir because THEY thought he was a spook.

I think he is, too. But for what purpose?

Some here believe he's just a GOP operative. They have some good points. And over at propagannon they've signed off on his identity, so they are pursuing him from the angle of his connections.

So....in support of your post, I dunno. All I have are questions!!!

:shrug:

That Nick Berg has two connections with the issue was strange enough -- West Chester was his hometown, and the last person to claim to have spoken with him before his death was Aziz Taee, who Gannon later interviewed.

But I'm interested in this information which I encountered this evening: Former US Senator David Boren , president of the University of Oklahoma (where Berg may have been possibly buying plane tickets for terrorists), had accusations of gay sexual harassment publicly mentioned about him.

http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/boren1.html

AlterNet's forum had a superb discussion on all sorts of aspects of the Berg case which never got discussed elsewhere.

http://forums.alternet.org/guest/motet?show+-ujTRM9+-ilad2+Currents+1099+-25-

and George Tenet's "mentor"? They were having breakfast together on 9/11.

Boren has serious links to the CIA and the political right.

Lots of interesting stuff on Boren and Berg, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1625766#1625877

looks interesting

--
On August 17, 1996, the five-year cover-up of the Cools murder, and potentially a great deal more, came to a shocking end, when Belgian police raided a house in a small city in the French speaking sector of the nation,and rescued two young girls who had been kidnapped and imprisoned there by a pedophile ring for their pleasure.

The raid, which netted a large number of documents, computer disks with lists of names, resulted in the arrest of Marc Dutroux, a well-known criminal and low-level police informant.

The Dutroux arrest unraveled an international pedophile ring involving Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, the U.S., Great Britain, Japan and the United Nations and its agencies.

The names found on the computer disks reached into the highest levels of politics and society in the various countries and institutions, including some of the very members of the Belgian government who had originally been implicated in the assassination of Andre Cools.

http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=120&contentid=1337&page=2

Programmed to Kill: the Politics of Serial Murder by David McGowan

I've read it and well it provides allot (a ton) of insight, well worth it. I bought the ebook

Here's his plug

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http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

My book, by the way - which, once again, is entitled Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder - is available in an Adobe e-book format for the low, low price of just $6.00. You can get it here: http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-77446-6.

If that price is still a little too steep for you, you can browse through it for free here: http://books.iuniverse.com/viewgiftoc.asp?isbn=0595326404&page=1.

--


Henry Lee Lucas

here's a good link on the cult he described (does not sound as crazy as it used to)

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/lucas/death_8.html

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Cathy O'Brien

http://www.archive.org/download/tmdg_trailer/tmdg_trailer_bg.mov (quicktime 47megs)

WARNING trailer may be/is very disturbing, graphic content (although what isn't these days)so don't watch it if you can't handle this info

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=independent_news&collectionid=tmdg_trailer

a image search on google turned-up a ton of pictures of people named Guckert from Belgium. For whatever its worth, I'd say Guckerts ancestry is Belgium, maybe.

>>Johnny was like said not the only child, who disappeared in this way. Interestingly enough the newspaper, which out-carried Johnny, was "the Moines register". It is the same newspaper, which 1915 printed as the only warning of the German government in the USA. Today this magazine by the way is in possession of Skull & Bones - members. "coincidence" not impossible... <<

Intriguing info but I need some sort of attribution....(also, did you notice that Gannon's TKE website opens to an image of a skull?)

http://www.hofberichterstatter.com/21.htm

Translated thru babefish.

thannks for that...

Totally creepy "old boy's club" crap. :puke:

*edited for typo. I gotta go to bed soon!

when the story first broke. S/he kept posting pictures of Nick Berg suggesting he looked an awful lot like Jeff Gannon. Most posters dismissed it.

but hey, don't mind me.
:tinfoilhat:

Jeff Gannon, Johnny Gosch, Hunter Thompson, and Bohemian Grove snuff porn
Friday, February 25, 2005

I've been watching this story percolate since the weekend, and with Thursday's return of "Jeff Gannon" to the blogosphere with a column entitled "Fear and Loathing in the Press Room" really bringing it all full circle, several questions are begged here.

As the Jeff Gannon story progressed and turned into a Bush White House homosexual prostitution scandal, Internet investigators started asking if there could be a connection to the previous Bush White House homosexual prostitution scandal.

If you recall, the stories of 15-year-old callboys wandering through the White House in the middle of the night was linked to the "Franklin Cover-Up" case exposed by Nebraska State Sen. John DeCamp. In that case, a Republican operative named Larry King was involved with procuring boys and girls from Boys Town in Nebraska and elsewhere and entrapping them in a child sex-slave and espionage ring. King, with an annual salary of under 20K, was throwing sex parties for the powerful in a $5,000-a-month condo in Washingotn, DC; apparently taping the proceedings for blackmail purposes.


http://www.libertythink.com/2005/02/jeff-gannon-johnny-gosch-hunter.html

I think this was posted before, so here's a link

http://www.total411.info/2005/03/hunter-thompson-friend-confirms-was-on.html

and now this? As fast as I try to tear off the tin foil it keeps getting put back on.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!

Doesn't anybody on this board live near Conneaut Lake, PA? How hard would it be to get a peek at the yearbooks?

Just anything to put this one little piece of the conspiracy to bed. Cause I can't ditch it, myself.

I already thought about driving over there this week. It is my daughter's 6th birthday though so i was not sure on time. If i can work it i will unless someone is closer.

I'm in Sunny California, in Ahhhnold's back yard, so I can't really volunteer for this one.

I hope someone closer volunteers. And that you guys have a happy B-day with your daughter.

Otherwise be sure you take a digital camera (or camera phone) and see if you can get a snapshot of the photo. Unless maybe they let you make a copy.

Peace

The soonest I could get there will be late June when I drive back home to Massachusetts from Denver. I think my head will explode if we don't have a picture by then.

So... no pressure. I have at least 3 weeks before my head actually explodes over this. LOL

it shows publisher as well as the photo. That way we can have a hard copy to verify it came from the year book just in case!

If you can go that would help out tremendously.

:party: I hope you have a great birthday celebration with your daughter! :party:

:party:

That is who posted at another site that he recognized him from HS.
Thanks again. (A t/c to the library before your journey may help you find out if they have the yearbooks and as the other poster referenced, the librarian may like this mystery and want to help in the quest.)

Yearbook for Conneaut Lake PA High School
in 1945 it was called the Hilacon -- listed on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39727&item=3961837733&rd=1

Conneaut Lake HS -- info (address & phone)
http://www.schools-data.com/schools/Conneaut-Lake-HS-Conneaut-Lake.html

Conneaut Lake Library -- (address & phone & hours)
http://ccfls.org/shontz/

Mordarlar -- I would go with you but am afraid to take any more time off work. (have missed so much since Christmas due to illness)

1 1/2 hr. drive from Painesville

Sorry about the illnesses.


My oldest is a homeschooler and we could use the roadtrip. : )

They do at one near me. I am wondering because getting into a high school may be difficult with daytime security and all.

Check their online catalog but make sure you call in advance.

I'm sure other people have been there before you and there's a pretty good chance that a picture of the notorious James Guckert could have been very well razor bladed.

As a librarian I can tell you that we're pretty helpful people--usually--and most of us love a mystery.

1) you contact the librarian and let him/her know you're coming.

2) contact the principal and let them know you're coming.

They may prefer you to go after school hours, like 3 or 4pm. But I can't see them denying you entry entirely.

Guckert in high school and then find out he didn't take a pic. So whoever is going making sure you scam thru and study all the pictures in the yearbook just in case he didn't take a pic.

too........see post #211 and #288. DUH!! (Didn't see merh's post) :dunce:

:pals: So, what have you learned? I was reading through thread 8 earlier and I came across the wildest thing...I personally know one of the AP reporters (Jeff Wilson) who wrote an article about the dead Repub media man found in C. Fisher's home. I'm wondering if I should try and pump for more info.

Of course, I would be smooth and I would try hard not to be obvious.

Now you shouldn't feel any pressure from any of us to contact your friend. It's just if you do, be sure you let us know what he has to say! ;-)

a few times together and we've seen him several times in the last year or so...Here's the catch-he's a repub, he's totally loyal to Reaganites/trying to figure out how to get some extra info. without divulging why. Might go through my friend...my husband suggested that possibility. Hard to believe he could be any fun-he's a real kick in the pants! Nice guy. Go figure.

This was reported 2/21/2004. Should someone contact Tom Boyd and give him the research here on DU? Or do you think Noreen's private investigator is working with this guy?

From what little I know, they seem to have written her off as a crack pot early. I'm sure they wouldn't think highly of anyone hired by her, either. They actually sounded like dicks all around. (Pun only half-heartedly intended.)

Thru these threads, I've been concerned about stressing this woman out with conjecture. She seems to have "discernable spine" to steal a phrase from The Nashua Advocate.

Coincidence?

I followed it to a bunch of interesting stuff. I think it was this one. It could help, or not

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3216717>

The first post by Cat Girl leads to some very weird stuff in Iowa.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=152&topic_id=1273>

Was called a dude by a snippy Iowan and then the mods locked it.