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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:47 PM Original message |
How do you feel about a national sales (consumption) tax? |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. it's a regressive tax |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Explain, please? |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. rich people have money |
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TexasBushwhacker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I would assume that certain things would not be taxed |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. you are mistaken to make that assumption |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. well that's the wrong assumption in my state |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Food is taxed in my state, too |
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TexasBushwhacker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Only prepared food is taxes in Texas |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. Food is taxed in Utah |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
63. No, they want to tax everything |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. Pennsylvania sales tax exempts food and clothing and housing |
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infusionman (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 06:53 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. There is a push on now to have a revision in the state sales tax... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. True, but I guess my problem is this: |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. From the models I have heard of food and essentials would NOT be taxed |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. How would the guy at the 7-11 know what to charge you based on ... |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. the poor spend the highest proportion of their income |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. It's a rich-get-richer scheme, just like private SocSec and tort reform |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. I hate it. This is the tax they want to keep their tax cuts and continue |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Now that we've exhausted our natural resources, passed into |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I disagree. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. because a tax on Martha Stewart isn't the same as one on a guy |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I guess I'm talking about a flat tax for consumption. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Its not that hard to explain mathematically. People do not spend.. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Perhaps I've misrepresented myself. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Then you shouldn't be pushing a national sales tax....it makes |
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TN al (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Blue-Jay look at it this way... |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. because you are talking about KILLING people, get it? |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. If people have more to spend then it will not effect consumption |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. We wouldn't be talking about that much more money for poor people.... |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. People will just plain see higher prices and that will drive |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
75. Read this if you believe a consumption tax would help you |
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Spinzonner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. I really don't think that |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. On top of all the other consumption taxes (state sales tax for on example) |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
8. Absolutely wrong. Yet another way to enrich the wealthy at the |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Touche |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. Regressive as hades. |
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TwentyFive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. I think taxing consumption may be great idea. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. I agree, and I think it needs to be discussed |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. At what rate do you think the national sales tax would be set at? |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Well, it would need to be high enough to equal the income tax |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Non-RW economists feel that to be revenue-neutral it might have to .. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Interesting, I was thinking that if the wealthy don't consume but invest |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Self Delete |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. In a nut shell some people would win and others would loose for example |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Well, we do know that anyone that makes less than $30K a year |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. See my other post as I have changed my mind based on the fact |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. I am open to hearing more about it but it would need some adjustments |
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BornaDem (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
21. I can't imagine buying anything except food that wasn't used... |
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osaMABUSh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
25. Think of the effective Tax rate of the poor, middle and rich |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Also, consider the fact that every non-RW economist believes the rate... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Ah! Now THAT makes sense to me! |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Then your issue should not be supporting a national sales tax plan... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. True...but |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. A federal consumption tax that knows no loopholes would easily raise... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. No. I'm not sure. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I'm sorry if I came across too strident in my posts.... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. And I appreciate your input. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
35. We should never tax tuberculosis. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Step away from the keyboard, NOW! |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I have restraint issues. - n/t |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
39. If you exempt food and essentials, it is a luxury tax. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Also, I remember back when women's handbags had a |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Leather and jewelry were "excise" taxed when I was young |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. I forgot about the jewelry, you know the cheap costume stuff. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. I'd be all for it if it was on Mercedes and mansions, but |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
53. What if the wealthy don't consume with their extra money but they invest?? |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. That's a whole 'nother subject. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
54. TAX THE POOR! |
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prolesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
61. I understand what you're saying |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Obviously that would not SOLVE the problem. |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
65. How about a luxury tax. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Where do you draw the line, though? |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. I guess it would have to be fairly abitrary! |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
67. We have a VAT tax in Canada on top of income tax. It helps pay for |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. VAT? |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Value Added Tax. That "socialist" country in New Zealand started |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Ah! I see. Thanks. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
68. Ultra regressive, the rich will pay no matter what because they... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. True enough. That makes sense. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. But why find a middle ground? |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
71. Hate it, regressive, might as well vote GOP. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
78. It's very regressive |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
81. I am really glad you brought this topic up.... |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. You're welcome. I've learned quite a lot as well. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
82. I wonder what * will say. Will he be against it or for it? |
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pabloseb (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
85. Sales tax is ALWAYS regressive |
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yorgatron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 01:36 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. i guess they don't want me to buy stuff. |
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ausiedownunderground (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
87. In Oz we have both Consumption tax and income tax -It don't work |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 05:26 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. "Consumption" tax is a misnomer |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
89. AWFUL IDEA |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
91. It depends on how it is done. |
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Siyahamba (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
92. Once it's implemented, it's hard to get rid of it. |
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