I Just Heard That ANYONE Arrested Protesting The Upcoming Bush Tour

will automatically earn themselves a Secret Service File.


18 year old Emily Colvin was arrested at yesterday's event in Westfielld, NJ in what appears to be little more than an episode of police harrassment and intimidation. So, now she's marked for life?

For what?

Being singled out in a peaceful crowd for police harassment! Looking Glass People!

Looking Glass! And plenty of Kool-Aid for all!

(Not, to discourage anyone from manning the front lines!)

This is why we have to document every action of the enforcement community at these stage managed functions. Help out! Attend and document.

See this related post for the full story of the bust:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3224062

or my website:
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

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Is there a more relibale source for this? I want to show some republicans.

for the legal defense.

I can ask her to confirm next time she speaks to them. That is the best I have right now.

Let them file away on me. I don't care. I'll even send them pictures. However, remember back in the sixties when protestors got arrested, they said they would be marked for life. It didn't happen. Many of those went on to run for politicial offices like Tom Hayden and others play Presidents on TV programs, like Martin Sheen.

Her file is a mark of distinction I say. I wish I could have earned one by her age. But, ttha is just me.

It would have implications if she were looking into a job that required certain background checks and security clearances in the future.

Good news is she can still get into the Whitehouse press corp!

into ones with people who will appreciate her.

I'm' over 50 so call me cannon fodder!

If you don't have an FBI file, you haven't done your part as a citizen.

Check out the link below. It is the beginnings of a site for ready made posters and handbills.

since) has a file....I think these people are taking names and numbers and when they come time to needing (and being able to) round up people in the so-called name of "national security", that they are going after anyone that they have these so-called "files" on and who has even donated to any organization that opposes them.

As far as I'm concerned, we have to speak out, no matter whether or not they are "keeping files" on us....Let them keep a file on me...Mommy of two with an attitude who can't stand what the neo-cons have done to our country....

To take over the country, he will declare Marshall Law and then he WILL come after us.

This man is more than a criminal...He is the Antichrist.

When the above happens, I am definitely going to have to buy a device to protect myself and family

having a 3 year old and being 7 months preggo and all.. i was going to go but now i dont know... i would LOVE to go

it. I held back being visible while my husband was alive because he needed me to care for him, but now that he's gone, the gloves are off.

the pregnant thing before. Being the new father of a 9 week old girl, I would have suggested my wife stay home at that point for a persidential gig. Could be rough (at random).

Possibly best not to risk it or at least take a back position away from the front line confrontation.

She did rally at the state capital 8 and a half months over the Ohio recount but, it was low key as far as police imtimidation.

Maybe you can find an alternate to stand in for you?

On Edit: Guess I should have seen that preggo bar a long time ago. Blind today!

I feel obligated to make a sign and protest.

However, I don't think I would take my kids. I have a three year old also. I just don't think it's a good idea to take children who are that small, especially with the current climate.

I do think it's good for kids to be exposed to democracy in action--just maybe when they're a bit older and better able to understand.

If riots, or other bad stuff did break out--it could be very upsetting for a small child.

its coming up this friday and he will be at mothers day out .. my question is that im 7 months HUGELY preggo... dont know if i need to be out there

It's a tough call.

I would want to go--even if I was pregnant. It's likely that everything will be fine. However, it is good to err on the side of caution. Sorry, I'm not much help, am I?

Like the other poster said...stay away from the front lines, if you do go.

Good luck with the rest of your pregnancy. I remember what 7 months along felt like. The last couple of months go so fast.

:)

You would have to be SURE to move away from any developing issue!

But, be very careful if you go.

child born into a country with fewer freedoms than I had". She was VERY close to delivery from what it looked like. She stood up ( was helped up) on a wide wall and everybody applauded. She was so cool!

Everything went well that day and no cops got involved. Might have been dangerous for her if cops had come in and panic broke out.

I probably wouldn't go that far along.

They become media darlings. Who doesn't love a pregnant woman out saving the future for their kids!

Just take lots of pictures. Be careful. You don't want to be in a situation where they slammed you up against a car or something. I wouldn't put it past them.

Your baby would also qualify for a file. What a way to start life - $26,151+ dollars in debt and and FBI file!

Just got the new deficit graph. I've been meaning to update the graphic to reflect the new reality but, you get the gist:

Some of us have had one of those since the 60s.

i know i have one...

and I don't consider myself an activist really at all

as far as my pal Lefty, I don't think I'd suggest anyone go 7 months preggers

I have seen too many protests take a nasty turn, esp if the cops get all huffy macho. and Memphis seems a place that might be likely to happen

about the atrocities he saw firsthand in Vietnam. How UNAMERICAN of him. Treasonous, traitorous (in *'s eyes, anyway).

how the youth of America can get things moving in another direction...can influence their parents (mine were really hard core) into seeing a different point of view and getting them to change sides...to be an active force in the direction the country they must live in goes.

monitor my DU postings falls asleep on the job quite often...

Hi From The Black Sheep Posse Agent Mike!:hi:

The No-Fly List
Is a federal agency systematically harassing travelers for their political beliefs?


http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/27/02/feature3.shtml

"For months, the TSA, a federal agency established a year ago to protect the nation’s transportation system from terrorism, denied it had a blacklist of people to be singled out by security staff for special inspection and questioning. But in mid-November, in an interview with this reporter, spokesman David Steigman acknowledged that the government has “a list of about 1,000 people” who are deemed “threats to aviation” and not allowed on airplanes under any circumstances.

Steigman added that the TSA itself has no guidelines defining who is put on the list, but rather relies on names provided by other federal agencies, such as the FBI, Secret Service or INS. The TSA also has no procedures for people to clear their names and get off the list.

It appears, however, that this is only part of the story. Most of those who have been singled out for special interrogation and searches of their luggage and their persons, at least those who have gone public with their experiences, clearly are not “threats to aviation.” Indeed, many have been ardent advocates of nonviolence."

Don't speak out; say nothing; stifle dissent; anyone who questions...as Ann Coulter would agree...is a TRAITOR

Don't be surprised if one day all of us learn the gov has a file on each of us.

Hi ya Agent Mike! :hi:

be questioned. period.

not by the 'press' and not by the 'people'

period.

He's a total coward.

A true leader and statesman would have the intelligence and the desire to speak with those who disagree with him.

Instead, Bush hides inside the Legion Halls of America--speaking to hand-picked audiences full of loyalty oathers.

He's the quintessential boy in the bubble.

The more files they have,...the less they'll be able to do with them.

I got mine - the National Agency Check was trivial, my DD214 and TS clearance, my amateur radio license, my passports, an ok from the IRS, my Bar Admissions, etc.

But the first "Biggie" - all of the docket entries (and a FBI Special Agent Narrative) for every pro bono (generally ACLU) case I had ever tried, plus the docket entries (but no narrative) for every real estate tax appeal, eminent domain appeal, and zoning appeal I had ever taken on behalf of a client. Sheesh.

Also, some VA appeals and Board for Correction of Military Records matters that I took as pro bono referrals from the VVAW.

And, the expected Second Biggie - my arrest by a Mississippi County Sheriff for "Loitering" in the vicinity of the local Registrar of Voters in 1965 - and my one night of incarceration, and my fine and suspended sentence for "Loitering."

If you do pro bono - a thick FBI file is a badge of honor.

Wheel they will have found my website at the very least!

On Edit: How dare you undermine the economy by not receiving payment for your services. You clearly deserve A fat file! Subversive!

Response to: On Edit: How dare you undermine the economy by not receiving payment for your services. You clearly deserve A fat file! Subversive!

I've often thought it would be fun to get my file....for some reason I applied with the FBI when I got out of law school, in spite of a rather checkered past. Always dreaded it might lead to some IRS harassment though.

(But I sometimes over pay and don't take "all legitimate" deductions)

That is the one arm of government I fear. I'm clean as a whistle, but the hassle factor would be huge....

a file on me.
I was working for one of the most famous criminal lawyers in the state and we were representing a mayor charged with mishandling hud monies. It was during the discovery phase, you know when you meet at the USA's office to go over all that they have on your client. Well, we step into a conference room and as is the gov's trick, they had boxes and boxes and boxes of docs lining the walls all over the tables, etc. Its their way of trying to intimidate the lawyers and the accused, providing mounds of materials and limited time to review it all. My boss was a very wise and seasoned lawyer with a flamboyant and intimidating personality. He looked at the collection, turned around and when down the hall to the magistrates office and orally moved for permission to have the boxes sent out to be duplicated. After much debate and telephone calls to duplicating companies, the magistrate ordered that the gov had to allow the duplication. So I was assigned, along with the treasury investigator, to go to the copy company to oversee the copying (and to copy if needed).
Well, during that time in my life I was battling with gov forms and family members in an effort to settle out my father's estate. Some how or other the agent and I got to talking about family (we were bored out of our minds and really didn't want to be there) and I mentioned my father's estate. He was an elderly man, just shy of retirement and when I mentioned the estate he said, "yes, your father, a retired major in the Air Force and retired civil servant, I can imagine that paperwork." Well, I had not told him anything about my father's occupation and/or past and his comment was his way of letting me know that they had done their home work on me and had a file. I never reacted to his comments and I never knew if he was just letting me know about the file or was trying to intimidate me. From that day forward I have been aware of the way our gov works. I file my taxes on time, dot every "i" and cross every "t" and whenever I worked on cases like that, I knew my communications and activities were monitored.

I am one of those :tinfoilhat:ers that believe the gov can tap your phone and monitor your emails without a warrant. A warrant is necessary only if they want to try to use it against you later. If it gets to that point, they get the warrant.

Any way, that is my tale!

Hiya doing Agent Mike! :hi:

Good of you not to let it slow you down.

Wonder if Agent Mike is ever required to stand and make copies of OUR posts?

Well Howdy, Agent Mike!:toast:
Do you get weekends off?

fight to protect constitutional rights of others and my own.

That one ain't nutin' - one day soon I hope to share yet another!

You know, they might take weekends off, given that there have been substantial cuts in funding! But, one never knows if they are here, so I hate to be rude ... Hi Agent Mike! :hi:

I'm with you. Thje more of it see, the harder I fight. Especially when I see such apathy all around me. Many of my friends and family think in obsessed. Oh well. If not me, who?

It hit critical mass for me a while ago.

I was so pissed that I started making graphics and working for Clark to went my frustration with the situation. A bit over a year later, here I am. Still working my ass off with at least 4 years ahead of me. Then 20 or 30 to bring America to some sort of post-Bush normal.

Hang in there!

Imagine beginning the battles since St.Rayguns reign! My efforts are small, personal efforts for individuals. Most have involved the misuse of the system and the persecution of individuals for the sake of weakening existing political powers.

BTW: Thanks for your efforts, thanks for loving the nation as much as you do! :hug:

Retired during Clinton. Imagine that I was actually content enough to give it a rest for the most part.

Wouldn't that be nice to see again!

Is this a special file for the worst of the radicals?

Would it change your life in any way---Security problems boarding a plane? Obtaining a passport?

the Secret Service will be sure to know where you are. You may not know they're checking on you, or then again, you might, depending on what's in your file and what level of 'threat' the Secret Service believes you represent.

Beyond that, I couldn't say.

I don't have an SS file, but I know I have an FBI File from the 60s.

in my own back yard during Bush's visit here in Aug 2002. It was very spooky, just me and a motionless helicopter directly overhead on my own property with no one else in sight. I then went inside and continued my lurking on DU. (Maybe I was a member then. I don't remember.) I have never done anything out of the ordinary except my DU membership.

I dunno--I always just kind of took it for granted that I probably have a file someplace. I used to work for a pro bono center just down the hall from the local FBI office. They had surveillance video of the hallway 24/7/365.

I used to joke about having to remember not to pick my nose or adjust my bra strap in front of my office door because it might turn up on the front page of the National Enquirer someday.

Shoot, I used to make small talk with the field agents in the hallway every day. I even ribbed a couple of the better tempered ones sometimes, and thought nothing of running stray mail down the hall to them.

EVEN with all that, I found stuff in my office messed with a few times--like my computer. I asked my boss about it and he had no clue. I asked the building owner about it and he said the only keys were the ones we had--and none of his people had access to them.

I always did wonder about it--especially given the fact that a couple of the attorneys I was buddies with there in the building swore they'd been under surveillance during a Federal trial where they'd defended someone against charges brought by that FBI office.

I think I'd almost be bummed if I DIDN'T have a file after all this...


Laura

Good for you!

Thought you might enjoy another shot from the same rally.

I call it, "Cop With Ashcroft Ass":


The Poster image is this:

police harassment at all. the crowd was small though. Please everyone, don't let being on their list stop you from showing up to protest. We have got to make our presence be known! I imagine that most of us Duers already are on their list. There will be so many of us on the list that it will be essentially useless.
I would still be cautious if you have small children or are preggers. Just watch the crowd, watch the police and get out of the way. You should have one adult per child to protect them if shoving reaches you, but for the most part, you will be able to gage what is going on and move out of the way if anything starts to change.
However, if pregnant people and people who can't get a sitter don't go, I can understand that. NP. But the rest of us, must get our arses out there and show that we are a growing force.

Thanks for pulling your weight!

Any shots? Good signage to report?

I posted earlier that the one thing that I did like is that when the pugs came out of the building, they began taking pictures of us, and we were shouting stuff back and forth but not anything serious. Actually a little playful. We were across the street from each other with the police there.
At one time a group of young pugs started chanting "USA...USA...USA" I tried yelling that we weren't anti_american, that we were for the USA too, but that was too much to get across. So I started shouting "USA...USA...USA" and others joined with me. THe pug USAers just shut up. They didn't seem to know what to do with us shouting "USA"
I also met a couple of Duers there. dray178355 has some pics to post.

Always good to meet "family" out in the streets doing their part. We have to be there.

I look forward to seeing those shots. If you hear anything let dray know that I'm pulling stuff together for all of these protests to and would love to get an account.

He can reach me at:
distressedamerican@hotmail.com

WE CONTROL NOTHING BUT THE STREETS PEOPLE!

is this thread over here <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1287286>
where these fundamentalist protesters got police protection for their unpopular actions.

I call bullshit.

B.

I saw the same thing at the NYC RNC protests.

I Second your Bullshit or is that just "Bullshit, Bullshit"? I am rusty on the protocol for these things!:evilgrin:

THIS GUY WOULD HAVE A WHOLE PHALANX OF SECRET SERVICE:

file that someone can blackmail you with or someone can bribe you because of. Money is the big one. They say someone in debt can be a "bought" terrorist. Anyone who has protested before, even as long ago as the 60s, have had their files "re-upped" for security reasons. They say they are doing it to avoid another "Timothy McVey" situation because he wasn't registered with any hate group so he wasn't in that file. Guilty until proved innocent!!!

and ended up staying with her. She thought he was just on leave. Anyway. It has stopped her from getting jobs. She has been visited by the FBI on more than one occasion without warning. So have other members of her family and several friends.

These things CAN have REAL consequences.

AND that is just what is legal RIGHT NOW! Who knows about the future.

Mine, if it exists would be a neat read, little more (I hope).

AGAIN HOWEVER, Please keep the pressure on.

Take a camera! You never know who's bogus charges you could be disproving!

THIS IS THE GUY THAT WILL BE MAKING A LOT OF THOSE LEGAL CALLS. I DO NOT TRUST HIM WITH FILES. REMEMBER HOOVER?

couldn't before. It is easier for them to keep tabs on the innocent people who don't move around and try to hide so we get the invasion of privacy. At the same time, that guy they were looking for in Georgia some time ago lived in the woods for 5 freekin' years....give me a break!

and England in the early 80's and someone told me that writing people outside the country would make the FBI interested.

Don't know if that is true, but I always wondered. Does anyone know or is that a silly idea?

:shrug:

I subscribed to a magazine printed in English by Russia. It was really sort of a travel type of thing about the Soviet Union. It came through a London distributor. I thought I was so smart to be able to get something like this for my world history class, an unusual peak behind the iron curtain, perhaps it would get me an "A".

The FBI thought differently. I was investigated behind my back. My mail was intercepted and read. I lost my virginity about this free and democratic nation. I realized it wasn't, but I always hoped we could make it so.

I don't really care if they have a file on me. Like someone else said, the more paper that accumulates the more they have to deal with and the more unwieldy it becomes.

(back in the mid 90's) one of the first questions that they asked me about was if I had ever travelled outside of the US. I stated yes and where I had been. Most of the places were fine. A few days later, the recruiter stopped by my apartment and I was refiling photos into new albums. I showed him a few and he got very excited. They were photos of a trip that I had won when I was 16-a trip to the UN. It had to be counted as travelling outside of the US. On the UN (and none of the others) I had to show exact documentation of when I was there, why I was there and they had to verify it.
After that fiasco, I chose not to enlist.

....time we're finished purging Bu$h and his neoCONsters from the system.

Peace.


"DO YOU ENJOY BEING A CITIZEN OF THE ROGUE, RUTHLESS SUPER_POWER?"

:puke:

....protecting Giuliana Sgrena.

These are evil people -- these Bu$h neoCONsters -- evil to the core.

Peace.

doesn't back away from this! What happened is inexcusable! Period! Dirty, wrotten bastards! Evil madmen-that's what we are dealing with! Fear. I feel it however, I think my disgust and anger has that pretty well in check! I hope if she knows something she BURIES them with it!!!!

....you better believe my revolutionary genes, mixed with my Italian genes (including the ones that fought the Nazis) are at critical mass.

It's time for the trash compactor, big time.

Peace (and, that is not facetious)

Does not make any sense to me. We have to stop this goddamned war. They won't!

to the POTUS! Maybe the think she might begin counterfeiting?


EVENT EXTENDED:

100 million people might just be enough to shatter the walls of all their prisons! (the bastards!)

If she was a real American, she'd realize that she doesn't have any business interfering with the cogs of government... why does she care, anyway? People like this should get a grip with reality! It's not about them, it's about the bigger picture or something... retirement? What? Oh yeah... hey why isn't she home watching TV? Someone should tell her she needs to increase her intake of TV and McDonalds. She's too skinny, too! She needs to eat more and buy more. Wait... okay. Yeah she's dangerous... she's too skinny, not home watching TV, and she's a threat to the Grand Doctrine... did I mention she is not plump enough for a girl her age? Eat more fast food -- and hurry! Health and fitness are an epidemic and a grave threat to the economy...

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

Way to organize. Sadly, I'll I'll be out of the country next week. But, that doesn't prohibit letting the page do the promo work.

My wife will be turning out, baby in tow!

http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm

Fight On!


DUer jarnocan Iin the house!

except i'm pretty sure i already have one. to have two files would be tacky.

:shrug:

nt

MSM black out! Viva Los Blogs!

then I want my money back, dammit!

D X Stone
http://www.presidentevilonline.com
"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."

It's absurd. Wasn't it Jefferson who said, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"??

I just don't think these crooks are going to pull it off-- we're too huge a country with too many people against these fascists. There are countless MILLIONS of us who despise this regime and everything it stands for-- do they intend to give all of us FBI records??

So this is where are tax dollars are going. The irony: the REAL treasonous bastards are "running" the country while concerned citizens are being slammed with FBI records for protesting the raping and plundering of America.

Un-effing-believable

"Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug."

He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints off to Washington." And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints.

And the only reason I'm singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out.

anything you want at Alice's Restaurant, excepting Alice. Now Arlo knew how to write a good anti-war song. We need to find out if he has done any just lately.

Wish he had done Alice. His stories were excellent and had me rollin.



And, yes, he did get at least one dig in about * and his lack of intelligence.

How's his health holding up these days? Was bummed to hear he was getting sick. Bad genetics (Great musically though).

On Edit:
Talk About Your Secret Serice Files!

Wonder how Hunter S. Thompson's read...


I have collected a whoole bunch of HST tributes from DUers on my website in case you missed them:
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/hunter.htm

NOW BACK TO THE REBELLION!

This is a very red area. I would have to see him perform in a blue state to compare. He made a few subdued comments about other stuff in the current regime, but they were very subtle.

He did get a huge bunch of cheers, woohoos, etc when he made the * comment. It was a strange crowd, though.

He seemed okay health wise as far as outward appearances. He was great. Came out after and signed stuff and chatted.

He did say he was gonna try to relearn Alice for the upcoming 40th anniversary tour.

must have been in the early to mid 80s . . . I was living in Massachusetts, and saw an ad for a concert by Arlo and Pete somewhere on the South Shore . . . since I lived on the North Shore, it was quite a haul, but I talked to some friends who I'd introduced to Arlo's music, and we decided to make the trek . . .

now at this time, Arlo hadn't done Alice's Restaurant in concert in many, many years . . . during the car trip, I kept explaining that there was no way he'd be doing it that night -- though it was definitely what everyone wanted to see and hear . . .

so we get to the concert, and it's rolling along and it's great . . . at one point Pete takes a seat on the floor near the rear of the stage, and Arlo comes front and center and says something like "Ya know, I haven't done this in over 10 years, but I think I'll do it for you tonight" . . . and he launches in to Alice's Restaurant, receiving a rousing ovation as soon an folks recognized the opening guitar licks . . . needless to say, my friends were delighted . . . they also delighted in razzing my sorry ass during the entire trip home for my guarantee that there's no way they'd hear that song that night . . . guess I deserved it . . .

anyhow, it was a great concert and a memorable evening . . . :)

It's about time. It's about time that activists stick their necks out the way they used to. I don't see activists sticking their necks out the way they used to in the 1960s.

It's a shame that the government is doing this, but until people from the mainstream progressive movement starts getting burned, I don't think much will change.

to mail them dossiers.

Cover letter:

Dear Guys,

Here's everything you may need to know about me and my activities as a citizen of this great nation. Enclosed please find: My report cards K-12 and college, my letters of recommendation, receipts for every cause I've donated to, my credit report, my will, my medical record, my library record, my employment record, my Pet's vet record, my appliances' warranties information,the manual for my cell phone and my milk teeth, the floor plan to my house and a list of eating establishments I have frequented for the last 10 years, their menus, their city permits, a list of their current suppliers and a parcel map of their location, a history of the location, a plot of the utilities in the development.

This should save you the trouble of collection. Should you require anything further for your files, please let me know.

Sincerely,
Me

EXCELLENT idea... I like the way you think!
We should DELUGE 'em with info til they're up to their eyeballs!

D X Stone
http://www.presidentevilonline.com
"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."

beyond your control. Take control. :hi:

watch out carefully on "Homeland Security".

They will create the file, but more threatening is the fear of the file or the possibility it will be created. This could be call a form of terrorism.

I think the Cabal has a finely tuned intimidation strategy and it wouldn't be a bad idea to notice gestures like these, and the chilling effect it has on dissent.

I do think the file serves more as intimidation than anything else. I sure as hell do not want to answer the door in my robe one morning to find the Secret Service has stopped by.

I however, will NEVER be intimidated by this crap. The more of us that resuse to be intimidated the better off all of us will be.

If they want to pick you up, they will. It won't matter if you have a file or not. The Junta is brutal, we already know that. They're not big on law-abiding or promise keeping.

If we let them cow us, then their crowd control job is easier.

The dichotomy of thse two innagual shots just about summed it all up for me:



THEM vs. US! No Supreme Court To Decide. Just Numbers Baby!

Let them pepper spray me if they want! To the streets!

they ever post. And there's a lot more to things than having a file. This is nothing new to us, not because of the hated Patriot Act, which just makes things easier for them. This has gone on to varying degrees, more or less forever, by means that have changed over time. I'd love to see our files, but wouldn't want to be that noteworthy.

when the SS has files on you... This is SCARY. And I wonder why nobody of you questioned the RIGHT the SS has to get files on you only because you took the guaranteed right to protest a politician?! In my opinion this is something the democratic party should protest, and loudly...

Ah well. Forget the part about the Dems.

What I cannot understand for the life of me is how Americans can still think that they are "free", at least "much more free" than anybody else.

I think that these files are much more dangerous than the FBI files from the Vietnam area were. We're dealing with the Bushistas here. Re-read on PATRIOT and see what can happen! I'd call - SHOUT! - for a public inquiry concerning this practice!

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Bush to The Hague!

have someone from Europe see that there are many of us here disturbed by what we see happening here in the US.

"What I cannot understand for the life of me is how Americans can still think that they are "free", at least "much more free" than anybody else."

Believe it or not, there are quite a few of us asking the same questions.

a sovereign nation has to file a grievance. Which nation is going to step up to the plate? The Iraqis certainly have a grievance but who will represent them as a nation?

that he must be indicted. I fear the day is a long time off, though. But we won't give up!

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Bush to The Hague!

We Americans are also being held hostage by these robber baron Nazis. They are trying to destroy our way of life, our social programs and our properity while they raid the taxpayer's treasury, not to mention getting our kids and innocent Iraqis killed for an awful and illigitimate war.

do these officers live with themselves. Every time I see this crap it enrages me and only makes me more wary of all and any law enforcement.

Nice job copper, another hardened criminal off the streets!

I feel safer already.

How bout you?

I have been active since Spetember 2002 and since then have been to DC three times, NYC once, and back to DC for the counter-inaugural protest. I was able to get through the checkpoints at the latter event that was manned by the military, but I had to throw my backpack away or I couldn't get in. I was right on Pennslyvania Avenue where the motorcade went by on its way back and forth from the Capitol building to the White House. I hung my sign on one of the gate barriers and looked at police officers from Dayton, Ohio who were three feet apart in formation looking at us. It was a perfect location. They allowed no fruit or water inside the barriers and there were no porta-potties, so we stood there from about 10:00 a.m. until 3:30. Some poor girl who had ridden a bus for 17 hours from a college in Maine stood beside me. She had to pee from the time she joined me at about 11:00---I felt really sorry for her. But if you tried to leave, you would never get back in due to the crowds. There was lots of shouting, lots of good signs,and when the Presidential limo went by on its way back to the White House, two eggs were lobbed from behind me somewhere as well as a peeled orange and a snowball. I never saw that reported on the news. The police did not move when that happened, nor did the Secret Service alongside the car except to try to deflect the eggs ("I took an egg for the President!") I do not know what happened behind me as we were about five deep, so there may have been police who converged on that area, but I don't think so because a roar would have gone up from the crowd. It's important to protest every appearance of the President and try to find the leader of the local ACLU to monitor it when you do.Who is worried about a dossier being created about oneself? We are literally trying to save the Republic.

Who has the latest info on Bush's next stops. We heed to give the opposition in those towns as much time to get organized as possible. Call it my new pet cause.

60 protests in 60 days! We Control Nothing But The Streets!

since 2003 there have been special survelliance techniques being employed. Cops with cameras, overhead helicopters, unseen video cams, undercover cops working crowds. It's already all here. We let it happen.

All of it came right after the passage of the Patriot Act and Ridge went into high gear with the color coded threat of the day.

hovering over the march. Including the Fuji Blimp which Dept of Homeland Insecurity rented and outfitted with special surveillance equipment for the event.

So remember folks! Do Not Buy Fuji!

They are working for the police state!

Also saw quite a few (what we think were) chemical/biological detection devices all along the route.

Can't have the protesters OR the terrorists interfering with their Big Right Wing Circle Jerk!

I think this would be a good case for them.

Do we have evidence that this is a new practice?

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1. It's better than sitting in a chair doing crossword puzzles....it revitalizes the brain.

2. You get to meet a variety of well educated and informed indiviuals who share your ideology of Patriotism and freedoms.....it revitalizes the brain and your soul.

3. If arrested and detained, you will become educated about the US Justice sytem.......it revitalizes the brain.

4. If arrested and detained, you will be housed with a diverse group of peoples and time will allow you to have communication/conversations that can expand your knowledge.....it revitalizes the brain.

5. If arrested and detained, the authorities will be responsible for your meals, medication, and health......savings on income.

I am sure there are benefits that I have not thought of but this gives examples.. It sure beats sitting home alone, being sorry for oneself, with thoughts of a nursing home and I have found that grandkids think your pretty cool and exciting to be around.

Don't go gently into the night.......and leave something of yourself behind.

Just a reminder that we should be pissed!

It will most likely continue. However if we get out there and document these abuses we are making some progress.

"Through the Looking Glass" should be mandatory reading for all our children. Red Queen played by George W. Bush. Red? There--see? Even the colors were eerily prescient!

This organization is by far the greatest threat to the average Democrat. They have already been used as a political tool. Asscroft unleashed them on the Texas Democrats that fled the state, and there are numerous reports of them "infiltrating" anti-war organizations.

To survive we need to memorize one phrase:

Praise Gawd, and Pass the Ammunition !