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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:13 PM
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Was the U.S. sending Italy a warning?
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 10:14 PM by Cascadian
I honestly wonder if the attack on the car containing the Italian journalist and the Security agents was a warning by the U.S. to Italy not to withdraw their troops? I tend to think the Bushites would have done something more sinister than that. All in all, the Italian people are more anti-American than ever after this incident.

Also, why does it seem like our armed forces seem so accident prone? You had a Korean girl run over by an Army truck a few years ago. Also, those Marine jets that sliced a cable car in Italy as well. Also don't forget the Canadian soldiers who were accidently fired on by U.S. jets in Afghanistan.

:eyes:


John
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:18 PM
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1. My gut reaction is to doubt it
If only becuase the reaction would be so obviouse.

it's no that I doubt that the Shrubbery would do something as evil as that... but lets' nto forget that they aren't just evil. They are arrogent to the point of being stupid as well.

This could all just be a simple case of stupidity rolling downhill again.

Not all tragedies are part of the evil master plan.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:33 PM
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2. As for the Iraq incident, I belive there is more here than is coming out.
As for troops being accident prone - there are quit a few around the world. Somewhere in the range of 60,000 to 100,000? With that many mostly young men, things happen. Just take a look at any college town or actually any town with that size population. Things happen. that's life.

However, in war our troops seem to really loose it.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:34 PM
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3. No discipline.
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:41 PM
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4. If it was done on purpose, it was for some other reason....
After all, Italy is more likely to withdraw their troops now. Berlusconi has always been a Bush ass-kisser and has always strongly supported the war. They weren't considering withdrawing their troops so there really was no need for a warning...

But now, everything has changed. My personal prediction is that public reaction will be so strong that Berlusconi will have no choice but to withdraw the troops.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:46 PM
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6. I doubt it
Like Smirk, Berlusconi doesn't have to answer to the people - he owns the media. I think he's trying to position himself as vice-king when * becomes King Of The World.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:49 PM
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7. 90% of the Italians oppose the invasion & occupation of Iraq
This incident will only make things even more difficult on Berlusconi.

It's hard enough for Berlusconi to defend "spreading democracy" in Iraq against the wishes of 90% of his own country, without the puppet's master's own forces killing one of Italy's own.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:53 PM
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9. as I note in #6, however,
Berlusconi, like Chimp, controls reality in his realm. He has even tighter control over the media tham Smirk does. Ergo, he has no need to act on behalf of his people. If, for the next week, all the Italian papers, TV stations, and radio stations declare that the journalists who were fired on were either lying or asking for it or both, he no longer has anything to deal with. Just like Guckert and Plame and WMD and Anthrax and rigged elections and everything else in the US - reality takes a back seat to Limpballs' view of it.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:09 PM
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11. That "if" is impossible; the Italian press is not kowtowing to Berlusconi.
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 11:10 PM by LynnTheDem
Have you been reading what they've been saying for the past 3 years? They hate bush, they oppose the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and for the past 3 years 90% of Italians feel likewise.

And right now they are livid, both the people & the media, and about ready to mussolini Berlusconi.

Berlusconi was unable to convince more than 10% of his people to support the invasion & occupation of Iraq; there is no way he will convince them it wasn't the US's fault one of their own is dead and 3 are wounded.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:23 PM
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12. well, if he follows the lead of his role model *,
he'll start firing the journalists who are causing problems and replacing them with ones who write what he wants. He OWNS all the media in Italy. the journalists' livelyhood depends on making him happy.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:46 PM
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13. The journos aren't giving a dang about his happiness
And they haven't given a dang the past 3 years; don't see them starting to now, and when you have 90% of your population opposed, you best tread VERY lightly, coz included in that is 90% of your cops and your troops...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:44 PM
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5. I don't think Berlusconi has any intention of
withdrawing. He fancies himself Europe's answer to Smirk, the second coming of Mussolini.
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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:51 PM
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8. I wonder if that intelligence officer found out something...can't tell
anyone now huh?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 11:05 PM
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10. I'd put the tinfoil hat on eBay for now...
this is a well-publicized incident because it happened to the "wrong" person, but it's all too common in Iraq. Remember all the blown away Iraqi civilian stories we heard about for a while? That was only the tip of the iceberg.

The Japanese and Philippinos regularly complained about the high rates of murder and rape around our bases there, and I remember a small contingent of our GIs stationed in Germany that firmly believed the Germans had no purpose but that their women be fucked and the men beat up.

Can't say that that sort of criminality or mindset is any more common in the military than anywhere else in society, but put a few with that attitude in a tense atmosphere like Iraq, and you're gonna have incidents.



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