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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:27 PM
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How does a person "grab" a gun from a sheriff's holster?
Have you ever looked at one of those holsters they have a snap on them and that would be no easy trick to pull off. Not to mention after you have unsnapped the holster guard you have to be quick enough for the sheriff not to grab your arm.

Doesnt that sound pretty far fetched?
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:30 PM
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1. Not at all far fetched.
It may have been easy for him to do this.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:31 PM
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2. Nope
Crazy people can move like lightning.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:32 PM
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4. And a deputy dulled by the day-in-day-out monotony of court
could have been too slow to react properly.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:35 PM
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8. He crazy and backed in a corner...some dogs come out fight'n n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:32 PM
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3. Maybe it was Barney Fife ?
It could be done.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:33 PM
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5. With his hands? n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:34 PM
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6. Nope n/t
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GraysonDave Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:34 PM
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7. Easy
A former college linebacker vs. a female deputy? No problem.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:35 PM
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9. It happens more often that you'd think
A police officer was killed near Seattle just last year the same way. :(
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:36 PM
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10. And it's possible there might have been a 'wrestling match'
at close quarters for the gun.

The reports aren't complete on how it happened.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:38 PM
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11. This didn't sound like normal procedure...
One report said that the female deputy went into the holding cage, removed the handcuffs so the perp could dress to go to court. He over-powered her and threw her against the wall. They continued to struggle for three minutes. He stole the gun, gun belt and her radio.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:41 PM
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13. That's basically what I heard too. ..sloppy!
I hope she's ok. They should have never sent her in there alone with an uncuffed violent criminal. Those poor people. What a nightmare.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:56 PM
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15. I had not heard that. It makes more sense now.
I had a totally different take.

Thanks for posting.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:23 PM
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22. ...just what I heard...
Don't quote me on it...who knows how long it'll take them to come up with "the official report"
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:18 PM
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34. Well, that would do it.
She wouldn't have a chance of winning that fight.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:39 PM
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12. Some holsters are made with Velcro and it's very easy to get
the weapon out . . . as it should be for a cop who needs to use it. The deputy in this instance was a woman, who was apparently overpowered by a strong criminal. It happens . . . to both men and women law enforcement officers.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:41 PM
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14. The Dude over-powered the lady sheriff taking her gun
Guess we'll be doing away with guns in the courtroom--mace we'll work.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:59 PM
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17. AZ procedure requires two deputies with felons who commit dang. crimes
Never see a female alone with a dude like this one...Georgia kinda stupid...
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:58 PM
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24. It shouldn't have been one deputy, male or female, "escorting"

this big guy, even if they didn't think he was a threat to anyone.

For that matter, why don't they. . . bring the prisoner into the courtroom in handcuffs and take them off just before the jury enters? Then you'd have one guard at a distance and able to shoot anyone who tries to grab the gun of the deputy unlocking the cuffs.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:37 PM
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28. And just the day before this murderous rampage...
... the perp was caught with two shanks of metal hidden in his shoes. The judge had asked for extra security.

Why this guy was escorted by only ONE deputy and was allowed to be uncuffed when he was a potential threat is beryond me. Someone dropped the ball here, bigtime -- and three people paid with their lives.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:57 PM
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16. Supposedly they are designed to be
hard for someone else to remove in a struggle if they are warn 'correctly', too many don't wear them correctly though.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:06 PM
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:07 PM
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19. I think I speak for all of us, when I say *ahem* what the fuck?
:shrug:
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:12 PM
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20. Happens way to often
The gun most likely to shoot an cop is the officers own sidearm.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:18 PM
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21. True. I remember 2 officers, both male, getting killed in SE Florida...
...with one of their gunes. The guy that did it was unarmed and they were cuffing him but he got the jump and it went horribly awry very fast.

People shouldn't be so shocked when crap like this happens.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 06:53 PM
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23. Only one deputy was assigned to escort him after he changed into

civilian clothes and was uncuffed, and that deputy is the female deputy he shot first. Not many women can outwrestle a man who's 6'4" and 210 pounds.

The day before, they found that he had hidden two shanks (aren't those called shivs?) in his shoes. They requested extra security but apparently no extra deputies were assigned, for which someone should probably be fired.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:04 PM
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25. What's a shank?
:kick:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:39 PM
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30. A homemade prison knife.
People make them from things like broken glass, sharpened pieces of scrap metal, even bed springs.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:10 PM
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31. Eeeewwww. Nasty.
Thanks for the info! You'd think Law & Order would have told me that by now! :hi:

:kick::kick::kick:
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:10 PM
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26. Beyond the snap...
...most modern police hosters have three mechanisms to release the gun: a snap on the backstrap, a flap-snap around the slide that is opened with the pinky, and a strong clamping mechanism that requires the officer to tilt the pistol at a specific angle in order to release it.

It should be extremely difficult to get a gun out of a cop's holster. Unfortunately, in most cases in which the officer's gun is used against him, the perpetrator wrestles the gun away after it is removed from the holster.

These things don't happen when officers follow proper procedures and maintain awareness.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:28 PM
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 07:39 PM
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29. No, it happens all too often unfortunately.
What are you trying to say here exactly?
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:11 PM
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32. The day before - he was caught smuggling a shank in...
HOW THE HELL COULD THEY NOT HAVE BEEN READY FOR THIS?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:16 PM
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33. The rather big perp probably won a struggle with the female deputy
Much easier to get the gun out after you have hit the deputy repeatedly in the head or something like that.

The size and strength difference here pretty much negate any "safety" feature you could put on the holster.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:20 PM
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35. Those snaps are easy to take off.
They are designed to make it impossible for the gun to fall out of the holster, and to slow someone down a bit when trying to take it from you. They are designed to be easy to release, though, so that the cops themselves can pull them quickly when they need them.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:21 PM
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36. MSNBC
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 10:21 PM by lala_rawraw
I am really shocked that this is ALL that is on the news. I don't mean that in a heartless way. I mean we don't know what exactly happened yet and what we do know so far sound very odd. Yet MSNBC has ushered in at least 20 judges now all freaking out over their own safety and discussing how they have been threatened.

Unless I have been really out of it, my impression is that this is the first time (both stories) I have heard of such serious attacks. I think the journalists should be on 24/7 talking about their threats or how about firefighters? Am I not being PC enough on this?
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