Gannon Wrinkles, Part 19

Previous: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3259042&mesg_id=3259042

Roger D. Blevins of Elsmere was accused of raiding Biden’s re-election fund to pay for dates with, and buy lavish presents for, performers on a gay pornographic Web site

http://www.delawareonline.com/updates/FormerBidenstaf.html

....this information. I had been thinking about it and that "C'mon Joe, think" statement from "Gannon."

Hope you'll join in the "Gannon clue of the week" fun.

Peace.

Wrinkles at Demopedia:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Gannongate_Wrinkles

Jeff Gannon at Demopedia:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Jeff_Gannon



Peace.

Peace.

....kept within the "Wrinkles series?

We can do this on Saturday afternoon/evening given that Andy started the threads on the weekend of the 19th of Feb.

I'm not interested in starting a separate post, just something we can have a bit of fun and keep within the context of the research being done in the "Wrinkles series."

My submission is the "C'mon Joe, think" statement. That was followed by the report of the conviction of Biden's former campaign worker, Roger Blevins of Elsmere Deleware.

First reported by SEAN O’SULLIVAN of The News Journal:

http://www.delawareonline.com/updates/FormerBidenstaf.html



Perhaps "Gannon" was not so subtly telling a bunch of folk to 'think.' This is not someone seeking '15 min of fame.' I think we are dealing with someone(s) who are seeking revenge and have been leveraging compromising information to compromise even more individuals. The book will be a "best seller."

Peace.

You can almost hear the clock ticking...



Peace!

I posted this on another thread (where the OP said Blevins or Biden may be Biden's 'bottom')
....................

NOTHING connects the embezzler to Gannon.


The prostitutes were from Florida.

Nothing connects Biden to Gannon, except Gannon's self-serving, cryptic comment that Biden had forgotten meeting him. Perhaps a handshake in a crowded room.

We don't have a single thing but Gannon's comment. Innuendo from a criminal partisan faker.

And from that you insinuate Biden as Gannon's bottom?!

Geez.

If some connections to the embezzler to Gannon come out, fine. But until then, I think it is playing into the hands of the RW to make assumptions based on nothing but a prostitute poseur who will not provide the most basic standard information on his bio to a radio station (Randi Rhodes). He is playing games, and it looks to me like he won this particular round with you.
.................

If something turns up, fine. But I am not looking to play Gannon's game of cryptic innuendo.

....your submission of a "clue of the week."

And, I'm still LOL about that pun ;)

Peace.

"The book will be a "best seller."

Where, oh WHERE is Kitty Kelly when ya need her????!!!

Oh, yeah... he already has a Malaysian ghost writer and a Russian publisher.

I can't wait til he goes on book tours! Will his signings be open to Dems? Think I can get him to autograph my Kerry/Edwards sign? Probly, he is a prostitute, right? And Bush defaced an American flag with his autograph.

But if he is invited on Oprah to flog his book, will he provide a bio (as he refused Randi Rhodes)?

I just caught up on a few posts from Wrinkles 18 !
Noticed Andy said we have come full circle, gave me a chill.
The first thread I was reading as soon as Andy's name was on a post, not being here very long his name was easily recognizable from all the election stuff.
So intriguing........

Gannon's book will be explosive !

Hang on- looks to be quite a ride...


Peace!

or whoever contributed to his campaign. The first paragraph is wrong, and it's annoying that they equate a reelection fund with Biden's own money.

If recent behavior is indicative, that may largely be banks..? But I'm sure there's some ordinary folks who contributed, too.

Good. Clean house. (especially if it gets cleaned on all sides of the aisle.)

Good. Clean house. (especially if it gets cleaned on all sides of the aisle.)

....before I was able to do so.

Looking forward to having you share more of your knowledge and insights with us.

Welcome!

Peace.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

It has zero information about the source of, or the credit for, the photo. Likely a photo storage place for a poster on a blog.

Perhaps you made an error in your original link to the photo, and would now post the correct link.

I did not provide a link to Reuters. I linked to the photo that credited Larry Dowling/REUTERS. I posted a small bio on Mr. Dowlings, White House reporter and photographer.

The comic is the man who is identified as being depicted in the photo.

You have suggested that Gannon was traveling with Bush, but have provided nothing to back it up.

Until you do, I will just file it under disinformation, misinformation, speculation and gossip, since I have found a credited photo taken on a different day, identifying a different man from Gannon, in an unknown venue.

I still have not seen the photo credited as you state. If you will provide the link, I will gladly discuss it or say that I am wrong, if need be.

it looks NOTHING like him!!! wtf is your motivation with this fucking picture?

IT IS NOT GANNON!!!!

Are you sure about that? I've got this bridge to sell you...:beer: Here, have a shot on me with a beer back...

Better?



Peace.

It looks NOTHING like him. OK, he is a bald guy. There is NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP that indicates it is Gannon. In fact, there IS information that is NOT Gannon.

If you have any indication that it is Gannon, please clue us in.

I've got this bridge to sell you...It's generally referred to as HUMOR!

Peace!

Mark Zdechlik's name there. Please point it out.

Also, I think we would all appreciate it if you would reduce the size of your image, as we will all have to scroll across the screen for the life of this thread.

Thanks.

I am not good at the photo-posting stuff yet, hence, the huge previous pic that was deleted by the mod, but I'm slowly getting the hang of it.

I agree that the photos should be smaller so we don't have to scroll so much.

That said, can you PLEASE reduce the size of the Indian photo in your signature?

It makes your posts MUCH larger than anyone else's on the board.

Thanks, St. Benedict

can you PLEASE reduce the size of the Indian photo in your signature?

:boring:

I am editing to say look I am Cherokee and Choctaw and that picture speaks to the truth. Faye, you took my smart ass wrong. That is why I said you have got to be kidding, St.B pictures are ridiculous in my mind for the obvious reasons ! then i put :boring: because I am sick of the same pic of the Bald Dude. And St. ben was boring me trying to compare the Indian poster with that humongous post from earlier.

I LOVE THAT PIC. How happy do you think they would be with what we have done to their country?

How happy do you think they would be with Bush's policies as of today?


Not very fucking happy. They deserve the biggest image space we can possibly provide.

:hi:

I am American Indian and I love that picture I was smarting off to ST.Ben.

Not until I get tired of it, or a Mod asks me to change it.

Your gigantic picture caused one to scroll ACROSS the screen. I feared it would make the whole thread do that, but it didn't.

Red Dog, Little Dog, Little Wound, Red Cloud and American Horse.

:cry:

And I suspected it from seeing your first post. You have done nothing here but try and throw everyone off track with your silly pictures of "Gannon" - this one and the Hannity one and the actor with the "scar"...
C'mon, who are you really...Rove? Guckert, is that you??
LOL!

....I'll ask it.

"C'mon Jo...., think."

Peace.

...seems ..........


Peace.

he was no Saint.

kehehehhehekehehehehehe :o

... started in wrinkle #7 or #8.

Po', po' St. Ben has gone. Well, it sure was "fun" while it lasted.

Keep that fire burning...



Peace.

shall we say? On top of that I just finished watching "Bush's Brain", and I really am fired up now!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Peace.

why I just went and watched tv. St. Ben was raking my nerves !:smoke:

:smoke: LOL!

Peace!

:smoke:

You sure are a persistent fellow! LOL !

Moderator - please PM if I have broken a rule. I'm not sure what I did wrong. Was it because of the size of the photo? Sorry about that!

Anyway, I posted the link to Mark's hosting of the photo of Bush and Gannon.

I persist in discussing it, because it certainly changes things in all of this if they have been phtographed together.

It makes me laugh that you would think I was Karl Rove or whoever. ROFL!

The picture was exceptionally large, and I am sure that's why it was deleted.

You "posted the link to Mark's hosting of the photo of Bush and" **Gannon**...

The link went to an uncredited, unlabeled photo, without names of the subjects with no discernable sourcing to the reporter you name.

Ok the pic was too big. See, I am new to posting photos.

However, the link came from right-clicking on the photo itself, and the title of the Jpeg in the link was "mark27eu" - so I thought it was pretty self-explanatory since the writer/photographer's name is Mark Zdechlik. :shrug:

Here's the link:

h ttp://img222.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img222&image=mark27eu.jpg

Now, I noticed you said you don't believe the photo was from the AACS Convention in Minneapolis on April 26, 2004. I'm not sure why you would doubt that.

I found another story on that day from another writer, Mike Larose, of the Community College Times. This clearly shows that the photo in question is from that same day and event.

Here's the link to the article:

http://tinyurl.com/564a2



If you look at the original photo again, above, you will see that the bald "Gannon lookalike" is standing to the right of a young man with brown hair and a burgundy shirt on under his suit jacket and he has a large medal with a red, white & blue ribbon on around his neck.

Now, look at the photo from the Larose story about that day:




You can see the words "American Association Of Community Colleges" on the wall in the upper right corner. If you look directly below those words, at the people standing just behind the podium, you can see that man in the suit with the burgundy shirt and medal, and you can see the bald head of the "Gannon lookalike" peeking out just above the podium to that man's right. I will zoom in for you. See?



This proves conclusively that the bald head-patting picture was in fact taken on April 26, 2004 in Minneapolis, MN at the American Association Of Community Colleges Convention.

All that remains to prove is the identity of the man whose head Bush is rubbing.

It is not about being a Democrat or a Republican. That is a false left/right paradigm anyway. It is only about the truth. If that man is Jeff Gannon, that means Bush knew him, and Gannon may have even travelled to MN with the President.

And that, my friend, would have some very serious implications.

but i don't see Gannon or anyone who looks remotely similar to him in any of those pics.

I'm sure plenty of other people here will see it - even the lurkers.

It is absolutely worthy of investigation, even if *you* don't "see" it.

you'd better take a look at this pic too.....

http://tinyurl.com/4gqky

Now that wasn't funny. I don't think we should make fun of St. Benedict.

I needed that laugh, thank you again .



:yourock:

OMG THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE GANNON!!!!!!

He may be more than one...



Glad you're back...:hi:

Peace.

We all knew somebody had to do it, right? So I went ahead and did...

LOL!

Not one, but TWO!!!!

Peace!

and i am fucking special. so there!

:hi:

:o

that picture is not Jeff Gannon/ James Dale Guckert.
Several places including DU,SusanG and all and I mean all of dailykos already hashed him out a LONG TIME AGO ! Damn, he doesn't even look like him except for the BALD HEAD. Go ask people at dkos and see what they tell you. If you want to research that picture go ahead and I hope you find happiness while doing it.

that NO link has been provided from this photo to Mark Zdechlik.

The fact that the image .jpg file name ends in mark27eu tells nothing. The image may have been copied from another site and stored under a new file name. Or it's the name of the photo subject.

Why would a journalist store his professional photos on a free public website?

"I noticed you said you don't believe the photo was from the AACS Convention"

I said no such thing, because you adamantly asserted that the photo was taken at a $25,000 per plate private fund raiser, not the Associated Community College event. I never addressed the AACC event at all.

Now you say that a young man in a black suit is the same young man in a gray suit, while still failing to provide a link to the photo credited to the reporter you name.

Yes, I will agree on one of your points: You have not proven the identity of the head-rub bald man as Gannon.

In all of these posts, you have not shown a thing to indicate that Gannon was in MN or traveled with bush.

I am finished with this silliness. It has become a waste of DU's bandwidth and my time and others' attention.

Gannon is only going to "out" democratic senators. . ? just like they outed dan rather. (!!!)

I smell a rat, I 've had the feeling before and I'm always right. And I don't like the idea of being right, it always goes badly for my party.

... and that may impact their vote, I say get them out of there and get somebody else in! We want our party back!

All truth out now !

:kick:

And, it's not about "outing" at all but spinning and rumormongering (is that one word?!).

Looks like JDG is taunting indiscriminately, to see who or what will shake out.

But if he can re-endear himself to the neoCons, that would be a big win for him. Or, so it must seem to him, despite the fact that ther power is waining and their house of cards is definitely leaning.

from Jeff's blog:

"Lefty bloggers oddly silent about this: STORY ( http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/11/162316.shtml )

A snip from the article he refers to:

Assistant U.S. Attorney April Byrd said Blevins wanted to play "sugar daddy" to three Florida men he met online.

OK, JimmyJeff, we're too quiet? Well here's a noisy question for ya..

WHO'S YOUR "SUGAR DADDY"?

Don't throw the book at him, hire him. lol

youse guys had me worried there for awhile. I just don't want to see folks play into the republicans hands yet again. If gannon is reading this, you just know he's gonna milk it. The guy's an opputunist, to be sure.

But, unless we're progressives in name only, we follow our values. (Oops, said the V word :) )

Imo, the biggest trap is to censor ourselves, to hang back from a free and open discussion. Then, we're doing the Cabal's work for them. Sure, be smart about it. But, there's a basic trust we have in the decency of people that is unsurpassed in my experience.

And, what you expect from people, you are in a very real way, making.

When these threads started, there was a big reaction from DU, because we were undertaking to talk about troubly things. Issues we don't have a good working vocabulary for.

And, what happened? We pooled our work and found our way. Collateral benefit. 'Way to step out of the 24/7 brainwashing. (High fiving everyone on the Wrinkles threads.) I'm not a Dem but a Green, and before a party label, a progressive. This whole discussion has been very instructive to me, very precious as evidence that no matter what the Cabal does, we land on our feet and together, we can get stuff done.

:yourock:

(sp?)show. I have seen several people mention a lot of things I caught. BUT and this is a BIG but. Did anyone happen to catch the comment Gunderson made about how many Satanists he thinks are in this country right now? It was a very interesting number. The number he used was 4 million, but he went on to say he had arrived at that number by using a 1 and 1/2 percent formula because that was consistent with the number's he'd found in individual states.

What struck me as odd about THAT number is this...

THAT IS THE EXACT NUMBER that a whole lot of math geniuses have flung around as the EXACT number of votes it would take to "flip" this election over to bush! On the dot!

Michael Moore claimed on Jay Leno, bush "won" the election. He ALSO posted a letter to his fans on his website telling Americans they should turn to "Hollywood" for answers and made some vague statement that all is not what it seems.

Hunter S. Thompson's "funeral" was attended by some "Hollywood" types that have recently made some pretty freaky movies regarding missing people and strange phenomenon.

Maybe MM was trying to help us tie this thing into a neat little bow and that is why his face is PLASTERED all over a billboard in California thanking him for four more years! They are taunting him and those of us smart enough to try and decipher all this. I hate to say it, but I think we are getting VERY close.

Gunderson tied up a whole lot of loose ends for me in that interview! Cases I've been trying to connect for months, in some cases years, were connected. Interesting stuff on Jon Bonet Ramsey BTW, and it put something that happened here in Colorado a few months back into perspective for me. A local TV station reprted in a newsbreak they had a new lead on the Ramsey case and then NEVER ran a story. That same news station has been on time delay every since. They no longer have "newsbreaks" because the time delay wipes out the audio when they attempt it. Also, Gunderson linked Gosch to Colorado. He said Colorado was where Gosch escaped from in 1992.

Gunderson claims that Gannon is going to write a tell all book. But that he is going to publish it in, get this... Russia! American publishers won't touch something like this.

Aren't bush and Putin having a little spat right now? Didn't someone have a picture of bush stepping up on a podium and waving what looks to be a bloody and cut hand back at the audience in Russia? Didn't Bush get "outed" in Russia for accusing Russia of not having a free press. If I'm not mistaken, a Russian reporter told bush AMERICA DID NOT HAVE A FREE PRESS.

I hope to hell Bonnacci and G/G/G have all their information stashed away in several dozen safe hands and BTW, I think they do. In fact I think Noreen Gosch may have it and I think Gunderson has it. I also think a few other people have the information and I think this past election actually did plant some informants/agents into our White House. This one I'm keepign close to the belt but I have an idea of at least one of them, maybe more. Think opposite, just like with Guckert.


I know this all sounds like rambling right now, partly because I am so tired, but, I think all hell is going to break loose... and soon.

Peace (hopefully).

Like I said earlier- You can almost hear the ticking of the clock...


Peace!

And am listening to the final 45 minutes. I am sorry but I don't believe everything those guys speak about because these guys believe in the FUCKING CLINTON BODY COUNT!!

does not mean they are clean as a whistle. It is a harsh reality but Dems have their skeletons as well.

At least not with the normal people on this earth. It may be in DC, but not with the rest of us. It's about pure unadulterated EVIL!

Welcome back Andy! I hope you are doing well? I hope all those prayers and good vibes came your way!

Unfortunately I am still on hold till monday morning at 7:15.

Next week should tell the tale as far as I am concerend.

Get to bed! That's where I'm headed! good night! I'll see/read you in the morning. Maybe. I haven't said boo to my family all day. They might rebel if I don't spend some time with them!

i'm drunky :hi:

how are you?

(Setting the alarm clock.) It'll be okay, Andy.

This is about TRUTH. This is about JUSTICE. This is about DOING THE RIGHT THING because it is, in fact, just that! The facts, as they present themselves, warrant further investigation. We would be remiss as decent human beings if we did not continue on this difficult, yet necessary journey.



BTW- I understand the disappointment, disbelief and disgust that one feels when something this horrific may involve individuals we trust and believe in. It is only natural. Time helps us to wrap our minds around it all and "absorb" the reality. It's tough. I know. I look at it this way. It's rather simplistic but it works for me...there are good forces and there are bad forces. Good individuals may get caught up in the bad forces from time to time but it doesn't make them bad people. Bad choices? You bet! I think Cat_girl25 is trying to take this all in...

Peace!

both Dems and Reps that are dirty. I'm not saying that what they say about Noreen Gosch, Johnny and Gannon isn't true. But come on, these guys believe in the Clinton body count. They would have been better off to keep that topic off the radio.

there were a few strange deaths during the Clinton years...


(Disclaimer): Clinton lost me when he signed DOMA and don't ask don"t tell.

(2nd Disclaimer): He was better than Bush*

(3rd Discalimer): Why is he hanging with the dark lord lately?

Andy-you know we are with you all of the way, right? There is power in positive thoughts...WE LOVE YOU! :loveya:

Peace!

like I used too ! Living in Arkansas we always backed him however, he about broke my heart with the "Don't ask don't tell", shit .

Rwanda !

Of course, he was better than Bush but not liberal and progressive enough for me.

Being with the Bush's all the time is really freaking me out . How would Clinton not have any idea about George H.W. ?

Oh, yeah I almost forgot about the strange deaths ! Later, I would like to really explore all of that. Seems pretty co-inky dinky, huh ?

referenced here which took me to Freeperland from a few years ago - well it looked to me like the body count had more to do with trying to track down some of the whitewater S&L scandel, along with a ton of other S&Ls(I had no idea that many S&L's went belly up! Where did all that money go - to lavish lifestyles or legit biz like the media or ??? Conservative think tanks? Bribing officials? The mind boggles.) The Clintons were tangential, unlike the Shrubbies.

I was also pleasantly surprised to see some Freepers who were not Bush fans at all. They understood the BFEE quite well. Thank god there are some sane folks on the other side. I was worried they had all been subliminally brainwashed or something.

The act and art of never defining anything.

Just letting you know I haven't been able to find the MM letter so far. He might have actually said this on the Jay Leno show rather than in a letter, but I just can't remember. Anyway, I am not the only person that heard/saw it. There are a few others here that remember it.

I'm sorry I can't provide you with a link and I will try to PM you with anything I find!

BTW, the body count issue needs to be viewed in from a different perspective. Try this. It does not matter who is in the White House. I don't think that necessarily points to guilt. I believe this war is ongoing and has been for a long, long time. We cannot assume a president, or anyone else's guilt, just because they were in the White House at the time. I DO, however, believe, there are MANY individuals on ALL sides that are involved in this and/or know about this. Some my have been completely drugged and set up.

The people doing it are evil and will do whatever it takes to cover it up. Those that have been their victims are only afraid of the witch hunt process. They know they have been set up and they are worried about what will happen to them when the evidence surfaces. It is very difficult if not impossible to defend yourself against something you had no control over. I imagine the drugs used on them were well out of their system before the "evidence of their crimes" was presented to them so they can't even use the defense that they were drugged. They can't use that defense, that it, unless there is someone that can give the details as to who WAS drugged and WHO did the drugging.

Do you think it is possible they have set EVERY single president up in this manner for 30 years or more? I think it is quite possible they have set up the majority if not all. Presidents eat and drink in the White House every day and there are drugs out there that can render them conscious and paralyzed or in such a dreamlike state they can only remember bits and pieces or can only find evidence of it after they wake up. Is it possible Clinton wasn't lying when he said he "did not have sex with that woman?" Maybe he didn't KNOW he'd had sex with her?

I know this is a HUGE stretch, but let's face it, it has been happening to women and young girls for a very long time. If average citizens can accomplish this task what makes us think our government hasn't been doing it for MUCH longer? They have access to EVERYTHING long before the public does.

Peace.

(family kept TALKING at me!)... but when he said that you (paraphrase) "drive down any street anywhere, you see subliminal satanic messages EVERYWHERE!".... well, he lost me. Aside from the other odd questionable stuff (association with Holocaust deniers, fundie crackpot and Area 51 folk) I have posted on previous thread.

There may be some truth buried in his ideas, but he discredits himself.

Admittedly, I have not heard the whole interview, and will try to do so tomorrow, but I feel he is like the 'little boy who cried wolf'... there is so much nonsense, it's hard for me to give him credibility.

conspiracy theory nuts. There ya go. I wish Noreen had contacted someone else to help her.

contact others too. Apparently Noreen trust Ted Gunderson and Alex .
Sometimes, strange people know the truth though.
Some of the things Gunderson has witnessed and investigated probably caused him to go (maybe) off kilter or something.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

...by the way, I really have NEVER done a google or even seen the phrase "Clinton body count" until someone posted it in these threads.

By the way, I love this from "Bush Body Count":



Peace.

People I don't even remember hearing about.:shrug:

Where was my mind, how could I not remember them ?

All the things you mention do sound interesting, though I do think the bit about the 4 million satanists and the lost election may be stretching. I could not find mm's letter where he tells us to look to Hollywood. Personally, I think most of Hollywood have their heads up their butts, but anyway, please elaborate on this stuff about movies with themes of disappearance, HST's funeral and other weirdness. What exactly do you mean and please post address to mm's letter. Thank you

A great post that i completely agree with.

The election and satanists number is definitely ironic.

Just explained more of it to my husband while ago about Putin and Bush. Putin is fed up with him...... Then I get back on and find my thoughts in your post. I love this place !

It is going to implode .

Peace.

;-)

Such a subtle response...

you dogpile them. I think the bald headed men/Shrub thing is wierd. Does it mean something? Are bald headed RW the modern day version of the eunichs of Chinese emporers? Interesting that hair means so much to Arabic men, maybe going hairless is symbolic. Or maybe W. has an affinity to bald heads because of his sister with luekemia - would he have seen her bald headed before she died? One wonders what the fetish is about. I guess if you were CIA and doing illegal activities the less hair you have the less DNA to leave at a crime scene. My impresion was that his head wasn't the only thing he shaved.

Trying to find other bald men that might be Gannon or related to the GuGa affair seems reasonable. I like DulceDecorums connection of a woman Gannon and the Shirley Eberle clan. Maybe nothing, maybe not.

The best way to find out more about the Guckerts is to kick in and hire a PI to investigate everything there is about HS and college and carpainting Guckert.

A question - early on in Gannongate somebody in DU posted a bunch of different sports writers the person thought was Gannon.They threw softball questions to coaches. I don't know if it was a spoof. Never saw anything more on it. What did HST mean by needing the sportswriter vote and the dope fiend vote and the Grateful Dead vote for Kerry to win the 2004 election? Another posting was about a Hawaiian online reporter that went by the Gannon moniker. Did this end up being the same Gannon?

comments...


Peace!

Don't know what most of your post relates to, but I believe the "sports writers" was a literary satire/illustration by Kieth Olbermann.

I don't think anyone here has stated their opinion that Bush's penchant for grabbing and rubbing other men's heads is not weird. In fact, it has been mentioned (and I think most all of us feel) that it is belittling of the men. No one should be grabbing and rubbing other peoples' heads. It illustrates what an insensitive puny slob of a person he is.

Seems like a fetish to me. Yuk! Isn't that how one would treat a dog..rubbing or patting it's head? How demeaning. Who knows- maybe that's where Bulldog got his name!

But when I see him do this, I think several things.

1) bush is childish, immature, and has no impulse control. Like a five-year-old may blurt, "Mommy, that lady has a big nose." The heads are a curiosity, so he touches them.

2) He has sociopathic aspects. Sees no personal dignity belonging to another person. No empathy for another's' person. He is only aware of his own urges.

3) He feels small and insecure and WANTS to diminish and control others, and make them supplicants.

He is one very dangerous fuck. But we already know that.

Oh yeah... he is also a disgusting rude clod.

....just in case you were polling ;)


Peace.

the "dangerous fuck" part?

Peace.

Peace!

you that many women, including myself like bald men! I guess you could call it a "fetish" on my part, but I do find a lot of bald men irresistible. My husband is bald and he only gets more irritable the balder he gets! I don't think I am particularly "weird" about that. There are an awful lot of women that find bald actors a real turn on! Granted we don't go around stalking them to rub their baldness but we do LIKE those bald men!

On Edit: Irresistible NOT irritable! But he does seem to be getting rather irritable in his old age as well! I chose the wrong spell check word! I left it in because it makes it funnier, by a bunch! LOL

of his disrespect for people by grabbing their heads. Most people, upon just meeting someone, do not grab, rub or kiss whatever part of the person's body happens to fascinate them.

I think it is interesting that he does this to MEN. I think that he regards women as practically beneath his attention, and he NEEDS to demean men. I think he feels inferior, so tries to control them.

He linked to a worldnutdaily article regarding the aide to Joe Biden. Gannon says that lefty bloggers are silent about this. It looks like he's trying to keep this story alive. Anyways, Jeffy isn't paying much attention to all of worldnutdaily's articles. They had a few that were scathing about him. I know because I have read the negative articles about Jeffy on americablog. Why would Jeffy link to a conservative website that disses him?

Positive attention or negative attention... doesn't matter. As long as he is getting attention, he's happy. If it's positive, he plays the big strong conservative reporter man. If it's negative, he plays the victim... all the mean lefties are out to get him.

he hasn't mentioned the wrinkles...Why, I wonder.

:tinfoilhat: :toast:

Hope all goes well for you next week!

Andy, you keep me going. Every week or so, I get the feeling that Rove will rise out of the ashes. I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I have a feeling that he knows what's going on here...


Peace.

Not trying to be sarcastic...just thinking out of the box!

Peace!

Maybe Jeff had pillow talk with this aide and the aide gave him some goodies about Biden.

Peace.

RAW STORY links to an article, saying,

"Under Bush, new era of prepackaged news...
In enormous article, New York Times documents widespread propaganda."

I haven't read it yet... I printed the 'printer-friendly' version, 11 pages. Gonna sit & read it.

I am thinking that our unrelenting attention to Gannon & his propaganda may have helped somewhat to light the fire that powered the article!

http://www.rawstory.com/

Thanks!

I did sit and read it. Absolutely worth the read. Terrifying. Heartbreaking. Infuriating.

A total MUST READ.

there is a misunderstanding starting at 72

I want to print it off for later reading too and I couldn't find it in all that mix. Thanks in advance!

I did a googlemaps search to get a reference where gannon lived in relation to the whitehouse and others...


700 eye St NW, Washington, DC 20001
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=700%20eye%20St%20NW%2C%20Washington%2C%20DC%2020001&spn=0.021210%2C0.038482&hl=en

Anyone know what is in this area?

Ok, lessee you've got the MCI center and convention center not far. Chinatown not far. Lots of new sports bars and bars have been opened since the MCI center opened a couple of years ago (including RFD Washington on the next block). Not far to the north and east are some fringe (poor-ish) neighborhoods a school.

What sort of things are you looking for?

-Hoot

The community beautification 'flower boxes' project was 700 Block I St., SOUTH EAST.
The Marine Barracks are at 8th & I St, SOUTH EAST.

Here is a link to the map. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=750%20i%20st.%20se%2C%20washington%20dc&ll=38.881592%2C-76.995574&spn=0.028442%2C0.045087&hl=en

Nothing tells us where Gannon lives, though he says "Capitol Hill", and it is seemingly near the barracks, as he hosted the freeps that gathered there.

But I agree with others, it does not matter where he lives. It is not important for us to know.

And if we DO find out his address, it would be against DU rules to post it.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

}(

I remember reading on their site a while back on another topic one of their posters responded to Gannon and had remembered he was the one that hosted the meeting. S/he had said nice to "see" you again. With she being in quotes. I have been trying to figure out what was meant by that.

Noreen Gosch
http://www.johnnygosch.com/noreen.htm

What do people make of this cat.

As usual DU is all over it...

Wow, ya got a lotta work to do!

peace,
Beth

We have had many posts in these threads that deal with Noreen's failure to admit or deny that Gannon is or could be Gosch. What you have posted has been posted before, in various forms from various sources.

What is meant by "I see now this is a kinda stupid question...." is not clear. I don't see any question in any of your posts.

Welcome to the wrinkles wonder land, we wonder about a lot. :hi:

and I am sure he meant...Duh...why did I ask that question...as DU has already got an answer and If I had read a bit further...I would have found the answer. Right al?

BTW :hi: nice to see you.

that no one responded to his question, if it was a question. I am a firm believer that no question is too stupid to post in the wrinkles threads (however, I have noticed that certain posters continue to post the same silliness without proof and despite the fact that from all obvious appearance, their contention is wrong).

I meant to post "Welcome to wrinkles" to al, I recognized him as a long timer. Maybe I can correct it.

BTW: It's good to see you too, I have been monitoring, but have had nothing new to add. I am of the opinion that the young guckert is not gannon, though there are similarities, there are obvious facial differences, ones that do not change that drastically with age. I also think it odd that Gannon is taunting someone with his cryptic messages. We cannot forget that he lurks here, yet he hasn't joined in the ridicule of our query.

My prayers are with you for your adventures tomorrow. All positive energies are being sent out to you and for you. Also, I hope your artichokes came out. ;-)

So little time! It could take years to investigate them all...lol!

of all the issues involved in this? There are so many threads. The time I can spend reading all those threads is limited.

I'd like to know the laste "wrinkles" but I need a summary.

Under Gannon and wrinkles,etc. I don't have the link. I'm sure someone will be able to help more.
From my readings here, the link to Biden may be nonsense although Biden didn't sign on to the investigation.
On the radio interview, the guys were all over the map, which doesn't always help the situation. Too much tinfoil will turn off the uninterested, misinformed willfully ignorant.

As for Clinton's body count: Really liked the man and his wife, but there are bound to be some skeletons in the closet. DU'ers were discussing this yesterday. Old stories tie poppy and bill together in the Murrah building bombing. Skolnick or Ruppert, I forget which one tie either dubby or hillary to the JFK Jr. death. Hillary is called the dragon lady. The saintly side of bill and hill is somewhat tarnished with these things and the Mena Arkansas drug trade which poppy and the gang. Now with bill parading around the world with poppy in an attempt to make them look similar(great prsidents and concerned humans) and in some way raised jr up to something presidential, makes me sick.

I don't really care who this scandal takes down as long as they are legitamately involved. The truth hurts.
Sorry for the rant! I asked on the last thread. Why are there no more pictures of Gosch to look at? Come'on Noreen.

I am finding it deeply shocking and disturbing as I prob these stories to find how sick and corrupt (drug cartels, murders, etc) the people are who constitute the highest elected offices in the land. However, I would hope that in a thread on Gannongate we could focus on the particular corruptions that could possibly a. allow $200/perhour whore have total press access to the WT and b. trace the apparently deep connections to sex trade, pedophillia, and blackmail going back to poppy Bush that may actually link this character who may well be much more than a "callboy" to a missing paperboy named Johnny Gosch. Really great work!! especially in the earlier threads. I have never been a part of a forum before, but this calls to me. We must protect the weakest members of our society (orphans, all children, the poor) from these predators, who apparently think they can use the undefended as chatel, sex slaves, spies whatever. If this is indeed true and we can find evidence that they use us as such, there is nothing and I mean nothing more disturbing than this. I doubt I am alone in this sentiment. I would think that many of us would be called upon to put all else in their lives on hold to stop this. It goes beyond anything I ever imagined possible in what I used to believe was a "free country". It's like the sickest days of the Roman Empire. I am so gratefull for all of you "old timers" for doing this forum discussion thing. I have learned an immense amount.

You are right! There is NOTHING more disturbing...

WELCOME TO DU!

Peace.

There is much unknown. Just ask Rumsfeld; there are known knowns, known unknowns, unknown unkwowns. Forget that, I am even confusing myself.
Also there is much we will never know. I'm just hoping that something will take this evil regime down. It is bad enough that 3/4th of the world think worse of us than 5 years ago.

I had never even heard the word, until he used it about a hundred times.

If we knew what he knew, we'd be in hiding.

set to music by two of our local wonderful musicians: www.stuffedpenguin.com

(no, am not on commission. just wish I'd thought of it!)

I am a big opera fan!

Some of the lyrics (Rumsfeld quotes) are just too good:


The Unknown

As we know,

There are known knowns.

There are things we know we know.

We also know

There are known unknowns.

That is to say

We know there are some things

We do not know.

But there are also unknown unknowns,

The ones we don't know

We don't know.



Happenings

You're going to be told lots of things.

You get told things every day that don't happen.

It doesn't seem to bother people, they don't—

It's printed in the press.

The world thinks all these things happen.

They never happened.

When we did the counter-inaugural show, I sold at cost Ts that said "you elected Bush/ Enjoy your fascist regime, Will Durst's last cd, this cd, and gave out Deception Dollars. This cd was a huge hit, worth the organizing effort :)

/typo

If Rummy only knew his words would be immortal. :freak:

And, activists at THE SAME TIME!

God, I just love that. That means, they've thrown off the yoke of our compromised media and their imagination still works. AND, they're sharing.

Just too good.

:loveya:

/damn spelling

"Black Hawk Down". He said that he had not been to a movie in 30 years. THIRTY years! How in-touch with ordinary people/reality can he be? It is just unknowable.

Demopedia link to summary:

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Gannongate_Wrinkles

and the following blurb appeared:

"Is Bush really implementing a full-court press on media?
March 13, 2005
DAVID SHAW
Cyberspace is increasingly our culture's primary hotbed for interesting, provocative theories — many of them as paranoid as they are provocative. One of the most interesting and provocative (and paranoid) of those espoused in recent weeks argues..."

I can't access the story, as it is part of the newspaper's 'Calender' section, and you apparently have to be a paying subscriber to access such articles. Can anyone out there download the story and post it here? It might be interesting.

http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/cl-ca-shaw13mar13,0,7947288.column?coll=la-home-utilities

clip.
The Bush administration, Boehlert contends, "is actually trying to permanently weaken the press…. Weakening the press weakens an institution that's structurally an adversary of the White House. And if the press loses its credibility, that eliminates agreed-upon facts — the commonly accepted information that is central to public debate."

Every occupant of the White House has done battle with the press, but Bush is more media-averse than any president in history, perhaps even including Richard Nixon. Bush had fewer solo news conferences in his first term than any president since William Howard Taft, and certainly the examples Boehlert cites amount to a propagandistic subversion of the free press. In a time of increased security concerns, I'm still not sure what to make of the easy White House access granted to James Guckert (a.k.a. Jeff Gannon), a conservative "pseudo-journalist" (to use Rosen's term) who asked Bush biased, softball questions at news conferences and who doubled as a male escort whose nude photos were posted on the Web. But I'm reasonably certain that any explanation of his easy access will not involve a persuasive argument that the Bush administration is committed to the societal benefits of a free and unfettered press.
----
Welcome to DU!

Here is another very interesting article by Jay Rosen (mentioned in the LA Times article).


To Liberate From the White House the White House Press

"Why do we need the administration to be nice to us, or to somehow validate our existence? Journalists need to do their jobs regardless of the roadblocks and land mines placed by the White House. And the real reporting doesn't take place in the briefing room, regardless of who's accredited, or in the televised news conferences, which have become theater. It takes place behind the scenes, where journalists cultivate sources not just in the administration but on the Hill and among interest groups, to break news the White House doesn't want broken. (Watergate, you may recall, was not broken by White House beat reporters.) And it takes place when reporters have the courage to say that what the president said yesterday is at odds with reality or with his own record."

Amen. I think he's right about all of that. Kurtz to PressThink: "I don't think we disagree on very much." For example:

"By and large, the Bush administration has taken not just an adversarial but often hostile approach toward the media." Agreed: There is hostile intent that goes beyond the normal tensions and struggles as reporters try to make news from what officials say.

"Not since the Nixon administration, with its wiretapping and enemies lists, has a president tried to marginalize the press in such aggressive fashion." Agreed about the effort to marginalize.

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/

in this thread and this one too.
Are the Newspapers finally outing Bush's
Propaganda ? Maybe, already covered here but if not...
Social Security: On With the Show
President's 'Conversations' on Issue Are Carefully Orchestrated, Rehearsed


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28120-2005Mar11.html

duh ? what takes them so long to tell us something we already knew !

on the Administration's pre-packaged TV news!! (Raw Story link was posted in #63, but it's hard to find on RS site, now.) Raw Story: "New York Times documents widespread propaganda."

Direct link: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/politics/13covert.html?ex=1111294800&en=e6236a32dce24b7c&ei=5065%22%02ner=MYWAY

"It is the kind of TV news coverage every president covets.

"Thank you, Bush. Thank you, U.S.A.," a jubilant Iraqi-American told a camera crew in Kansas City for a segment about reaction to the fall of Baghdad. A second report told of "another success" in the Bush administration's "drive to strengthen aviation security"; the reporter called it "one of the most remarkable campaigns in aviation history." A third segment, broadcast in January, described the administration's determination to open markets for American farmers.

To a viewer, each report looked like any other 90-second segment on the local news. In fact, the federal government produced all three. The report from Kansas City was made by the State Department. The "reporter" covering airport safety was actually a public relations professional working under a false name for the Transportation Security Administration. The farming segment was done by the Agriculture Department's office of communications.

Under the Bush administration, the federal government has aggressively used a well-established tool of public relations: the prepackaged, ready-to-serve news report that major corporations have long distributed to TV stations to pitch everything from headache remedies to auto insurance. In all, at least 20 federal agencies, including the Defense Department and the Census Bureau, have made and distributed hundreds of television news segments in the past four years, records and interviews show. Many were subsequently broadcast on local stations across the country without any acknowledgement of the government's role in their production.

This winter, Washington has been roiled by revelations that a handful of columnists wrote in support of administration policies without disclosing they had accepted payments from the government. But the administration's efforts to generate positive news coverage have been considerably more pervasive than previously known. At the same time, records and interviews suggest widespread complicity or negligence by television stations, given industry ethics standards that discourage the broadcast of prepackaged news segments from any outside group without revealing the source.

more.....

night when you posted it. It was even more than I had dreamed of, but
it does figure with this crooked ass administration. Huge but will people get it finally ?
Anything on the tube about it ? We should make sure some talking heads report on the "Packaging".

At least more and more journalist are worried about this WH propaganda.





(Done well, this approach can change the balance of power, Weintraub believes. The result would be Scott McClellan and aides "begging reporters back in to converse with them so that their side of the story could be told more fully."

Far fetched? Well, it's the same method Bob Woodward of the Washington Post uses when he writes those blockbuster books giving us the inside account of an Administration under the gun of real events. (And he's done it with the current group.) People tend to cooperate with Woodward, the most famous reporter of his generation, because they don't want to be left out of his best-selling version. Thus he has both vanity and fear working for him, in addition to a publishing formula that sells books.)
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/

hmm.......
Redstateliberal has post about Tom DeLay and Money
with poll please go vote on it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1657533

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7169454/site/newsweek/

This smacks of a witch hunt. I'm curious how many of you consider yourselves moderates.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

What's the point of the question? Nobody's "hunting" for illegitimate behavior -- it's already happened.

never will be. There is always more to the story than what you are told !

While there may be some information we don't have, much of the time, things are exactly as they seem.

It seems to me that Gannon knew someone to get his WH pass. It seems to me that Gannon used that pass to advocate the republican platform. It seems to me that in order to advocate Bush, he disparaged the democratic party. It seems to me that he has no principles in doing so and would resort to illegal tactics to further the republicans. It seems to me that Gannon got busted for crossing the line by asking an over-the-top question of Bush. It seems to me that Gannon has an illicit sexual history. It seems to me that Gannon is in full control of his faculties. It seems to me that Gannon is using his sexual illicit history to further the republican cause by making implications of democrats.

I do not see Gannon intent on bringing down anyone but democrats.

Occam's razor. Things aren't always what they seem, but most of the time they are.

wouldn't wield a razor until the whole face was visible.

And that's the problem. Secrecy in government. Secrecy breeds corruption and also, distrust, unhappily.

wherever there's power, there's corruption. I'm still recovering from no longer belonging to a religious institution because of it. I'm so jaded and cynical now that I can't recall my last happy care free day.

And I appreciate the dilligence of everyone involved in these threads, absolutely. Yesterday, my friend and liberal partner in crime who has done much to enlighten offline folks about this administration, got slammed by quite a few here for essentially saying that this may turn out to be barking up the wrong tree. I was mad that this happened to him, but I reminded him yesterday that these folks are just like us: we're obsessed with getting this obscene excuse for an administration out of power and if anyone told us to just move on, well, those are fightin'words. "Move on?? Are you crazy?? you don't know what WE know! There's no movin' on till Bush is moved out!"

So, keep up the good fight.

When I had very few posts and expressed frustration with Kerry, I got called out reallllllllllly good. Well, we've been systematically traumatized by MendacityCentral. I'm just so amazed we're fighting back so well.

I wasn't on line, but please give my apologies to your friend. We seem to have some kind of collective PTSD AND are still manning the barricades. Natch for reactivity before thought.

((((((((((((DU))))))))))))

We're not going away any time soon, are we?

Cheers,
Beth

That's it. That's exactly how I feel. This is what occurs when your sensibilities have been assaulted in such a way that you feel like you're drowning. The powerlessness of it all is overwhelming.


Chhers to you too,
Danielle

And we have to hit "delete", counter it, do reality checks. I've bugged Skinner so often, don't want to bug him any time soon. But I'm thinking, there's a concerted effort to keep dissenters off kilter via trauma. And we might usefully put a group together to study that and to counter it.

in these threads? Personally, I distrust anyone that claims to be a "moderate" dem, they are far too centralist for me and seem to prefer being more like the popular kids in the school than being true to themselves and the values of the party. Moderates seem to be susceptable to peer pressure.

Being a moderate has nothing to do with these threads, unless moderates have a fear of the truth, which is the ultimate purpose of these threads, a search for the truth.

are. I will probably have to make more than one post of this because it is so long.

Here's the connection to Hollywood and Hunter S. Thompson.

HUNTER S. THOMPSON article in Rocky Mountain News...

Here's the link to the "funeral/memorial" service:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3600893,00.html

Some things I took out of the story:

First off, in earlier threads I have worn the tinfoil hat theory with pride that HST may have set this up and that "Hollywood" was trying to send us a message with some type of theme to the movies and that MM had said we should turn to Hollywood for answers and that all might not be what it appeared to be.

I have been unable to find the MM references. If anyone can help me with that that would be great.

However, the RM news article can help me demonstrate my point about HST and the freaky Hollywood connections a bit.

Partial list of attendees at HST memorial:

Sean Penn- Star of "Mystic River" movie regarding the rape and murder of his daughter and his friends abduction and rape/molestation as a child by, I think two powerful men, one of which was a priest. (I can't remember this movie very well so help me if I am wrong.) Penn’s character eventually kills the friend who was kidnapped and molested as a child because he believes THAT man killed his daughter. Turns out he was wrong! Fits the backward pattern we are finding here with Gannon/Guckert/Gosch

Johnny Depp- Played Hunter S. Thompson in movie version of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" REMEMBER THIS LATER ON! He also just appeared in a movie regarding an author that has hallucinations about a book he wrote and his family being murdered because of it. That movie takes some VERY weird twists and turns. Turns out HE is doing the murdering. Again the twist of nothing being as it seems. "Secret Window"

Josh Hartnett- Plays Hunter S. Thompson in the movie version of "The Rum Diary" REMEMBER THIS LATER ON! (Haven't seen this movie maybe someone could help me out here.)

John Cusack- Did a HST play. REMEMBER THIS!

.


Jack Nicholson- Nicholson has been said to be EXTREMELY open minded about sex and there have been numerous statements made by people that worked him that he had orgies, threesomes, and a very active sex life. I haven't read a whole lot about this aspect of his life in recent years. But let's just say he seems to be very open-minded about that. He was also a VERY good friend of HST and his comment at the memorial was "Was this some sort of a Thompson stunt?" "Was he really gone?"

Bill Murray- Portrayed HST in "Where the Buffalo Roam." Made the comment at HST memorial "HST may be living on in those gathered round."

THE BILL MURRAY AND JACK NICHOLSON STATEMENTS ARE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TIE IN WHEN I ASKED YOU TO REMEMBER THIS LATER. Both statements lead me to believe there is a cover-up/attempt to make us believe HST IS dead but could be taken as veiled messages that he is in hiding. MIX THAT WITH THE BERNSTEIN STATEMENT BELOW AND I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

"Was this some sort of a Thompson stunt?" "Was he really gone?" "HST may be living on in those gathered round." "There are many ways to seek the truth." All these statements are BTW not in quotes in the article but are attributed as having been said without the use of quotes.

Don Johnson- of "Miami Vice" fame was also there. He was HST's neighbor and friend. If I'm not mistaken he did play a part in that movie I mention below with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kiddman "Eyes Wide Shut."

Statements were read at the memorial from Ed Bradley (reporter) and Carl Bernstein (reporter). Carl Bernstein's statement noted "there were many ways to seek the truth" The RM News reporter claims this was a "veiled allusion to Thompson’s shockingly unorthodox methods"

Also present at the memorial were several well-known criminal defense attorneys. Gerald Goldstein, Hall Haddon: Kobe Bryant attorney and JonBonet defense attorney. Maybe Bryant was "set up" as well? Many Coloradoans have found the woman's story hard to believe since SEVERAL semen donations were found in the rape kit. Or maybe Bryant is guilty as sin and that poor woman was a victim of a brutal rape during a Satanic ritual?

As for the movies I have said Hollywood is leaning to. Here are just some that I can think of in the past few years that have led me to believe there is a "theme" I also believe there is a theme in television series. They seem to be leaning more and more toward the formally "absurd" to me. at least!


"Mystic River" - Movie regarding the rape and murder of his daughter and his friends abduction and rape/molestation as a child by, I think two powerful men, one of which was a priest. (I can't remember this movie very well so help me if I am wrong.) Penn’s character eventually kills the friend who was kidnapped and molested as a child because he believes THAT man killed his daughter. Turns out he was wrong.

"Secret Window"- Discussed above. Johnny Depp plays and author that has hallucinations regarding a stalker who claims he stole his story and goes on a rampage killing Depp’s friends and family. Lot’s of twists and turns here and not quite sure how this fits in with the theme except it “feels” to me like it was supposed to.


"The Forgotten" child kidnapping and wiping out the evidence from EVERYBODY'S memory are the theme here.


"The Village"- A group of "survivors" goes off and creates an alternate reality for themselves by intimidating those that don't know why they are there into believing there are EVIL creatures out to get them if they leave the group compound. there is some veiled reference here to the "sheeple" term we often use.

"The Manchurian Candidate"- This is a modern day remake with some more modern version of a classic movie that was originally released 2 MONTHS PRIOR TO THE ASASSINATION OF JOHN F. KENNEDY! Watch the two back to back and look at the release date and you will be amazed!

"Signs"- This movie was as much humor as anything else but I think it may have been a set up to tell us to look for the “signs” to come. Interestingly enough Mel Gibson plays a priest whose faith is tested. He then turns around and makes a movie like "The Passion" which I believe has been completely interpreted WRONG by the fundie crowd! Jesus was PERSUCUTED by BOTH his government AND his religion. Isn't that what is happening RIGHT NOW?! Gibson also took the opportunity to tell TV viewers he LOVED F911 and "what the hell are we still doing over in Iraq, anyway?" MM ALSO took the time to compliment Gibson on "The Passion" for TV viewers to see.

"Collateral"- Movie is about an assassin that rents a taxi for the evening to assassinate a bunch of people involved in a court case so that he can virtually eliminate all evidence. Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx are in this movie - no ties that I know of to HST. However, Tom Cruise did a movie with ex-wife Nicole Kiddman "Eyes Wide Shut" that is a veiled reference to the Illuminati and pornography/child molestation/snuff films/satanic cults.

“Eyes Wide Shut”- Eerie references to Illuminati and powerful/wealthy men and women, the occult, Satanists, sex, pornography, child molestation. Basically anything goes for he wealthy and powerful! EXACTLY what we are all talking about.

Bourne movies- I do not see Matt Damon’s name in this article, or maybe I have missed it, but I seem to remember both Ben Affleck and Matt Damon mentioning HST before. Actually, there are several movies these two have been in that tie to some of the themes of "secret societies" but I don't know how they fit into the picture here. Matt Damon movie connection here is the Bourne series, most recent "The Bourne Supremacy." The movies are based on a character who initially doesn't realize he is a "trained assassin" but later starts to realize that he is and tries to go into hiding.


Television series

"The Missing" has done a whole lot of shows on abducted children along the lines of what we have been discussing.

Law and Order SVU: theme "SEXUAL VICTIMS UNIT" often portraying child abduction for sex crimes and murder.

Law and Order: Recently ran a show centered around prisoner abuse and torture.

“CSI": Has done some really twisted "sexually themed" issues lately. One of which portrayed a powerful man with evidence against a lot of people who created a fantasy world for himself complete with adult sized nursery and a real live "wet nurse." The man had abducted the woman’s child (his own flesh and blood) in order to maintain her "mother's milk" for himself( DISGUSTING theme but very much along the lines of these Gannon threads! BTW, there was a sickening physical resemblance to Rove!

“Medium”: Television series has done several stories of note along these lines. One was centered around a necropheliac. Remember Bonacci’s reference to the Bohemian Grove, Hunter S. Thompson and necrophilia? The other was centered around a child the police had assumed was dead. They had arrested a man that had confessed to the murder but it turns out he NEVER murdered her. He had given her away to his brother who was mentally retarded as a “present.” She had been missing for SEVERAL years and was found in the brothers “possession.” She shot and killed her abuser

Not to mention:

The Michael Jackson trial theme of child molestation for the second time. First time was during the first bush presidency if I remember right.

The Peterson trial defense themed on Satanic ritual abuse given the state of the bodies and BTW, there is another missing pregnant woman in the vicinity.

The Christian “BTK killer”

JonBonet Ramsey: Little girl dressed up on a regular basis to look like an adult woman and coached on how to act like a rather slutty version of an adult as well. Murdered in her own basement. Murder consistent with “ritualistic Satanic” abuse. I mentioned this in an earlier thread. But here in Colorado one news station has been on time delay since the day they announced there was a break in the Ramsey case during a “newsbreak.” That station NEVER ran any Ramsey story. They no longer have “newsbreaks” because the time delay wipes out all audio.

My point is, this is unprecedented from what I can tell. We are being bombarded by these sex/child abduction/molestation/mind control themes on a nearly constant basis.

Who is complaining about all the sex and violence on television? Evangelical Christians and perhaps a few guilty politicians were the first to jump on this bandwagon, I believe. I have become very disturbed recently about what television is portraying but I am beginning to think there is a reason!

I’m sure I have missed several shows/movies/connections. Anyone got any others?

The “conspiracy” is not in our heads. It has been erased from public memory and SOMEONE is trying to put it back!

Thanks for going to all the trouble to elaborate. I am beginning to think there may be more than a passing connection to what is happening in DC and these mimes on pedophillia, murders enslavement and mind control bursting forth from hollywood. I think the Michael Jackson thing is interesting in that msm seems just endlessly fascinated with it as it was with the OJ trial. Could be a way of focusing on degrading black people while tacitly stating that the dominate culture of rich white folks is far far from indulging in such sinister crimes, is in fact busy indignantly prosecuting and stopping the abuse of children(done by degenerate black entertainer types) not actively engaged in such abuse. Michael Jackson is a sacrificial offering, a sop thrown out to show that "yes, as a culture we do really care what happens to kids. See we arrested a celebrity." If the stuff reported on by John deCamp is even partially credible (I think it may be very credible) Michael Jackson is very small fry and a diversionary tactic to keep us looking the other way while people like Bush and co. brazenly snatch kids off the street and from orphanages and destroy their lives and that of their families for their own uses and amusement. It's another false flag, sort of like DUbya stating his concern over the sex trade. The veneer is wearing thin. If only more witnesses and victims like Kathleen Sullivan could come forward. What is John deCamp saying now about the Gannongate affair? I am very puzzled about Ted Gunderson. Is he a nutcase or what? What about Tim White?

Very interesting that you should bring this up. Remeber that Kubrick died just before the movie was finished.

From a website called The Konfromist by someone called Adam Gorightly:

In Stanley Kubrick's final film, Eyes Wide Shut, are numerous veiled allusions to the CIA's MK-ULTRA mind control experiments and Monarch sex slave programming, subjects which readers of The Konformist should be well familiar. According to believed victims of Monarch abuse, their ranks number literally in thousands, and it has been alleged that these very same victims have been used extensively as sex slaves, drug mules and assassins. According to varied sources, Monarch programming begins immediately at birth, and is carried out through the lives of its victims, as they are used by intelligence agencies and secret societies like mere pawns on a gameboard, until--in many instances--they have outlived their usefulness, and are terminally "discarded".

more-
http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm


And this interesting statue in an English town called Milton Keynes:


from: http://ellisctaylor.homestead.com/eyeswideshut.html

This websites author claims the whole town of Milton Keynes "is a major Illuminati project."

put it back. You have made some very intriquing points there.
Seems "there is a reason" indeed, bush_is_wacko.

Like troubleinwinter, I too was bothered by some of the things Ted Gunderson was saying.

His saying "You can't walk down the street without seeing subliminal satanic messages" is not fair and balanced in any sense of the term, but actively paranoid. It is so suffused with an agenda that it throws everything else he says into question.

Four million Satanists -- or is it satanists, lowercase? I don't know that he sees a difference.

I look to Adherents.com for useful figures on what people from widely differing perspectives assess the populations of various faith traditions to be.

http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_623.html

As liberal Democrats, I'm sure many if not most of you know a Unitarian-Universalist (I used to be one myself). You probably have a feeling for how many of them you are likely to run into. Adherents.com gives as an upper estimate for the US population around a half million UUs at peak. Yet Gunderson gives a figure of 4 million, thus about 8 s/Satanists for every Unitarian. How plausible do any of you find this?

And if you don't find that this and other statements pass the smell test, ask yourself what other uncorroborated statements you can accept from him. Gunderson has also claimed that there are 500 cult groups in New York City alone, producing some 4000 murdered human sacrifices a year. Do any of you find that plausible?

Who are his un-named sources? Why should we believe them? Why should we believe that a Russian publisher not otherwise named or verifiable is publishing Gannon's memoir? What proof does he have that Gannon has actually had overnights in the White House, let alone that Victor Ashe is in fact George W. Bush's boyfriend, as Gunderson proclaims?

Are horrible crimes committed against children? Of course. I have friends who are survivors of childhood sexual abuse. I've seen some of the photos of them as children, where they have such a deer-in-the-headlights look even in typical family photo situations. I accept there are aspects of their lives which have left them fragile, and I
honor their courage in facing those experiences. But that does not mean I have to find Ted Gunderson credible.

Gunderson seems to me to be not very careful and yes, at times, actively aggressive and paranoid.

But he may have information. So, the Pillar of Salt Rule applies.

I live with someone who is both at times, and the rest of the time, he's expert in several areas. And so, the Grain of Truth Rule applies as well.

as I also end up applying the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf Rule.

The times when he has a Grain of Truth may end up dismissed, overshadowed by his wild claims of "Wolf!".

Ferry Fey, I think your post was quite well done. I think we are not necessarily urging others to dismiss Gunderson, but explaining why we take his assertions with A 'Pillar' of Salt.

And that's why, imo, we've so many chapters here. A lot of teasing out to do.

I have it per private correspondence that this gent is hired by the Cabal. Why they would want to hire someone who seems so out of control over his own gestures, I dunno. And as I didn't hear it myself, can't really source it. But can't discount it either.

Why would the Cabal want to forward this question?

but John DeCamp has proven to be highly credible, thing is, what does he say about it all now? I know what he says about in 1994:

The Franklin Cover-up, 288 pages, 1994, $10.00

"That in the case of Larry King and the cadre of people he dealt with closely, boys and girls like Paul Banacci, Troy Boner, Danny King, and Alisha Owen were used as drug couriers for a national program of illegal narcotics marketing. They were "throw away" kids. Because they were teenagers and younger when they were doing this activity, they provided a perfect insulation blanket between the real drug czars, like Larry King or Alan Baer, and the law.

Larry King was able to read people and compromise people through their weaknesses. And Larry King knew whom to cater to and to compromise. Compromise the heads of institutions. Cater to the secret sins of a law enforcer, so that when you need protection, that official is not in a position to do anything but sit and watch your illegal activities. Cater to the weakness for drugs, or 13-year-old girls, or 9-year- old boys, and then blackmail as required.

Yes, based on what I have seen, much of which I am legally forbidden to reveal, I have no doubt that child abuse, pedophilia, illegal drug trafficking, murder, satanic cult activity, theft, and a host of other crimes were involved in what we have come to know as the Franklin scandal.

Just as surely do I believe there was and is a cover-up.

Just as surely do I fear, that nothing will be done about it.

So, let me conclude my saying simply this: Bill Colby, you were right. It is too big. I am too small. They are too rich and powerful, and go up too high in business and government, for me to touch them or do anything about it. Yes it is something that I should have abandoned long ago and faced up to the fact that good does not always triumph and that evil, with its many faces, does sometimes succeed.

At least for a while."

http://www.premier1.net/~barkonwd/decamp.htm

I am sure he knows a lot. I wonder if he would be willing to post on this site using a pseudonym or something. There are people who really know who Gannon is and if he is Gosch. Why is everyone who could end the mystery silent? Wish John deCamp could be contacted.

DECAMP LEGAL SERVICES, P.C.
John DeCamp
414 S. 11th Street
Lincoln, NE 68508
(402) 477-3974

Have fun.

There is a serious effort on behalf of a lot of people to mislead the public. I would never recommend otherwise. The point here is if you don't try to read the signs/information you become a sheeple.

Many others have made these points already so I'm not gonna' rehash it.

my 2nd post on wrinkles. After just finishing reading a book on CIA..'Mind Control, and emotional abuse', I think that words like 'satanic' shut down a conversation before it even gets started. Same with 'conspiracy'. People hear the word and dismiss everything that follows. While the CIA's experiments may be a whole other subject, no one can doubt that the government we have is not the one we know. And whatever life, those with the power have lived, is surely not one i have ever gotten a glimpse of. i think that the problem with deciphering human behavior is that we look at our own for logic, and these guys ....it ain't there. i guess, i just wish, that i could get a grip on how human beings, who want for nothing, become so morally corrupt and inhumane.

shut people down, seems many think nut jobs !
Which is not my term it is just an example.

Well, the Secret Society's like Skull and Bones have so few included in them.
I have a Great Auntie and she is in Eastern Star in all my 45 years she won't say a damn word about what it is about !
All I know is she wears formals to some of the meetings or maybe all of them, who knows ?

Can someone tell me on what station?

thanks,
B.

Don't know what station... understandinglife knows & was going to try to get back on here before then. I'd like to hear it, too. Some RW show (eew).

I'm surprised that JimmyJeff doesn't list his 'performances' on his website.

I sincerely hope I'm too paranoid to live, but the last time JDG did an interview, it was all over his site.

Great. I'm worried about a guy that's actively trashing Dems.

"What a world" -- Wicked Witch of the West