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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:28 PM
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Juan Cole:"An Update on Fallujah-There is no Fallujah to Update"
Here is an excerpt from Juan Cole's most recent post at his blog. The death toll is unfathomable and mounting. The psychological toll will last for generations. All done with our tax dollars and in our name. 'Who'll Stop the Rain'.


Here:
Liqa' Fahd (25), cradling her two-month-old as she gazed at what was left of her home, said, "I lost my husband, my house, and everything beautiful in my life. I have nothing left but this little plot of land and this humble tent." She explained that her husband had not escaped with her because he was the treasurer of an Islamic endowment in the city and responsible for its funds. "Since that time I have lost contact with him, and have not found his name either on the list of the dead or on that of the missing."

Cole: Readers often write in for an update on Fallujah. I am sorry to say that there is no Fallujah to update. The city appears to be in ruins and perhaps uninhabitable in the near future. Of 300,000 residents, only about 9,000 seem to have returned, and apparently some of those are living in tents above the ruins of their homes. The rest of the Fallujans are scattered in refugee camps of hastily erected tents at several sites, including one near Habbaniyyah, or are staying with relatives in other cities, including Baghdad.

The scale of this human tragedy-- the dispossession and displacement of 300,000 persons-- is hard to imagine. Unlike the victims of the tsunami who were left homeless, moreover, the Fallujans have witnessed no outpouring of world sympathy. While there were undeniably bad characters in the city, most residents had done nothing wrong and did not deserve to be made object lessons--which was the point Rumsfeld was making with this assault. He hoped to convince Ramadi and Mosul to fall quiet lest the same thing happen to them. He failed, since the second Fallujah campaign threw the Sunni Arab heartland into much more chaos than ever before. People forget how quiet Mosul had been. And, the campaign was the death knell for proper Sunni participation in the Jan. 30 elections (Sunnis, with 20 percent of the population, have only 6 seats in the 275 member parliament).


http://www.juancole.com/2005/03/fallujah-tent-city-awaits-compensation.html


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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:49 PM
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1. george bush -destroyer of cities
the world trembles at the mention of his name...
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:49 PM
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2. Hopefully some unembedded journalists shot some video
and will one day be doing documentaries on the destruction, so that we don't forget.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:29 PM
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70. Doubt it. You don't here much from Kevin Sites anymore either n/t
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:14 PM
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3. This is disgusting. Despicable. A horrible and vicious atrocity. n/t
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:18 PM
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4. Napalm confirmed, reports mounting of chemical weapons
And guess who was reporting on this? Giuliana Sgrena.

Now, here on DU, everyone seems to be taking the Pentagon's side of the story - that she's lying. I think this is preposterous. Let's look at the motives. One side is using illegal weapons on a civilian population, the very weapons it said was the reason for this war. This side is also desperate and severely losing this battle. This side bombed falluja hospitals right before the last invasion. Why? So they could not report the death tolls to the world as they did in the first invasion of Falluja. I repeat - this side PURPOSELY BOMBED A HOSPITAL! THIS SIDE IS USING NAPALM ON CIVILIANS!

Now the other side of the story is reporting this to the world. Who then has the most motive of a cover up?

After 20 consecutive lies, it's mind boggling how we will viciously fight anyone who says the 21st story is also a lie.

Over and out.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:40 AM
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16. US already admitted to using napalm in Iraq.
I don't think they're calling Sgrena a liar about chemical weapons, as the US has already admitted to that.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:12 AM
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21. Really, they admitted to it? Do you have any links
I thought this would have been the last thing they would ever own up to.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 03:31 PM
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33. Napalm, aka 'Mark 77', flame fuel expedient; chemical weapon.
They denied it when questioned about "napalm"...until soldiers let out that in fact they were using napalm, only the OFFICIAL name has never been "napalm"; it's 'Mark 47' Vietnam-era and 'Mark 77' now. So the US denied using (the slang word) "napalm" and then admitted to using (the official designation) "Mark 77".

What's the meaning of "is"?

US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

10 August 2003

American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm

The official designation of Vietnam-era napalm bombs is the Mark 47. The new & improved version being used today in Iraq is Mark 77.

The Pentagon no longer officially uses the brand-name Napalm, a combination of naphthalene and palmitate, but a similar substance known as fuel-gel mixture contained in Mark-77 fire bombs was dropped on Iraqi troops near the Iraq-Kuwait border at the start of the recent war.

"I can confirm that Mark-77 fire bombs were used in that general area," said Colonel Mike Daily, of the US Marine Corps.

Colonel Daily said that US stocks of Vietnam-era napalm had been phased out, but that the Mark-77s had "similar destructive characteristics".

"The generals love napalm," the paper quoted Colonel Randolph Alles, the commander of Marine Air Group 11, as saying. "It has a big psychological effect."

Napalm was banned by a United Nations convention in 1980, but the US did not sign the agreement. The US military considers the use of Mark-77 weapons to be legal.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/08/1060145870882.html?oneclick=true

Wikipedia;

The Mark 77 is a US 750-lb (340-kg) air-dropped incendiary bomb that carries a fuel gel mix that is the direct successor to napalm.

Mk-77s were used by the US Marine Corps during the Gulf War. Approximately 500 were dropped, reportedly mostly on Iraqi-constructed oil filled trenches. Mk-77s were also in use in the 2003 Iraq War.

Use of incendiary bombs against civilian populations was banned in a 1980 United Nations Convention. The US has not signed this agreement although they did retire use of napalm. The Mk-77 is the only incendiary bomb currently in use by the United States Military. Another incendiary weapon - white phosphorus - is also in use. Only the US, Great Britain and Russia continue to inventory gelled fuel bombs.

The chemical used differs from napalm of the Vietnam War era in that it is based on kerosene and a polystyrene-like gel and reportedly contains an oxidizing agent. This will make it even more difficult to put out once ignited. The official designation of Vietnam-era napalm bombs is the Mark 47. Mk-77s are commonly referred to as napalm in US Military slang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:54 PM
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37. thanks for the link, Lynne
:loveya:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:33 AM
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44. You're welcome.
Sorry the links are to such abhorent US practices. :(
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:22 PM
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5. There had to have been thousands of innocents killed. :-(
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:31 PM
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6. Salted earth the legacy of "freedom"...
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 11:31 PM by not systems
and shame of the living.

In the future when Bush's eulogy is written
the word Fullujah must be prominent.

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:34 PM
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7. PHOTOs: Fallujah, February 2005....crushed....
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 11:40 PM by diamond14







Internally Displaced People (IDPs) from Fallujah....a crisis...food, medical supplies, water, sanitation desperately needed....

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:43 PM
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8. "Even poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah-they used everything..."
Odd Happenings in Fallujah: Dahr Jamail

“The soldiers are doing strange things in Fallujah,” said one of my contacts in Fallujah who just returned. He was in his city checking on his home and just returned to Baghdad this evening.

Speaking on condition of anonymity he continued, “In the center of the Julan Quarter they are removing entire homes which have been bombed, meanwhile most of the homes that were bombed are left as they were. Why are they doing this?”

<snip>

He explained that in certain areas where the military used “special munitions” 200 square meters of soil was being removed from each blast site.

<snip>

“The American warplanes came continuously through the night and bombed everywhere in Fallujah! It did not stop even for a moment! If the American forces did not find a target to bomb, they used sound bombs just to terrorize the people and children. The city stayed in fear; I cannot give a picture of how panicked everyone was.”

“In the mornings I found Fallujah empty, as if nobody lives in it,” he’d said, “Even poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah-they used everything-tanks, artillery, infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground. Nothing is left.”

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/000173.php

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:17 AM
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12. Here are some of Dahr Jamail's photos
of the people that were killed by chemical weapons in Fallujah.

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album32

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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:32 AM
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17. Real horror
Some of those bodies are mutilated by what looks to be high impact wounds which would be caused by explosives or projectile weapons, not chemical weapons. I am no expert, however, and do not wish to examine those pictures further.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:04 AM
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20. Either way, some of those pictures
are of young children.

Whatever your weapons of choice may be, genocide is still spelled the same.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:48 AM
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25. And the other half look like they burned to death.
These look like no photos of chemical weapons victims that I've ever seen.

Unfortunately, I've seen more than a few.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:07 PM
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34. not burned, decomposing
They look black because the tissues are breaking down. Most of those corpses were left to rot on the street as nobody could safely retrieve them.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:35 AM
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45. They look like they were hit by Mark 77 bombs
Classified as FFE; a chemical weapon.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:04 AM
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61. not a 'chemical weapon', it's an 'incendiary' weapon
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 11:16 AM by Snivi Yllom
Napalm is classified by the Geneva Convention as an incendiary conventional weapon. Not a chemical weapon. It'a also not banned, but it's use against targets is restricted. Sort of a dumb convention if you ask me? Lots of loopholes that allow the use of napalm and incendiaries if the area is free of civilians and the military has done everything 'reasonable' to ensure there are no civilians in the target area. All the convention really says is, you can't use it on civilians and forests, and you cant use it unless you reasonably verify there are no civilians present.


see my post below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3269682&mesg_id=3275822&page=
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:34 AM
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39. One in six US soldiers will return from Iraq with PTSD---
...according to a report tonight on Nightline.

Gee, I wonder why?

Our government told our soldiers, that they would be liberating the Iraqis from an evil dictator. Our young men and women thought they were going into Iraq to improve the lives of oppressed people.

Instead, they've been ordered to murder the Iraqis. Now, the Iraqis are the enemy--and we see evidence of the disdain the US soldiers have for the Iraqis--within Web sites that make sport of dying and mutilated Iraqis.

The government didn't just lie to us. They lied to these soldiers as well.

We haven't liberated anyone. We've killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children--innocent human beings.

What will happen to these veterans and to this nation--when the numbness wears off and these soldiers face the horrors? PTSD enables someone to suspend trauma until they're safe enough to feel and face reality. One in six soldiers is traumatized enough by what they've witnessed and by what they've done---to live in a state of suspended reality--until the trauma has subsided in their minds.

What have we done to these soldiers? What have we done to this nation?

This is just absolutely devastating.

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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:08 AM
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23. I had lost/misplaced that link.
Thanks (although I could think of better ways to start the morning).

pnorman
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:47 AM
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24. I suppose he doesn't have any pictures of chemical artillery shells
Or perhaps any kind of scientific evidence to support this conclusion.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:49 AM
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26. I think the nature of the injuries
speak for themselves. It is apparent that whatever was used burnt a lot of people to a crisp.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:52 AM
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28. Burning to a crisp does not equal chemical weapons.
In fact, it implies the exact opposite of chemical weapons.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:09 AM
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29. In a place that's mostly made of sand
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 11:09 AM by DoYouEverWonder
would you like to tell me what would burn so hot that it could boil people from the inside? That is the what some of these burns look like, at least the ones where the bodies aren't burnt to a crisp.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:33 AM
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43. Mark 77, (napalm) already admitted to being used in Iraq by the USA
Mark 77 is a chemical weapon.

It's also a banned chemical weapon. But the USA never signed onto the ban, so the USA says it's a legal chemical weapon. For America.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:48 AM
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47. Just to be clear.
The article is talking about mustard gas, etc. If you don't understand the difference between mustard gas and napalm, there's no point in continuing this discussion.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:30 AM
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58. As it was my husband posting to you last night, and as he is an NBC expert
and a US weapons inspector, I would hazard a guess that his knowlege of mustard gas etc far, far outweighs yours.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:47 AM
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63. And chemical weapons still don't burn people.
Point?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:50 AM
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64. Point is, they look like they were hit with napalm.
And yes, chemical weapons can burn people.

buh bye. :hi:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:51 AM
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65. No.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:06 PM
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67. self delete
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 12:12 PM by LynnTheDem
Life is just too short.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:21 PM
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69. Mustard gasses do 'burn', but it's a chemical burn
Not with flame. It's caustic.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:31 PM
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71. And again.
If you're going to suggest that these people were chemically burned by mustard gas, I'd like to see some sort of actual physical or scientific evidence that this is the case.

Since nobody has presented such evidence, I will continue to maintain that there is no reasonable political or military reality that would necessitate the use of mustard gas by the US in Fallujah, and that the likely answer is that these burns (if they are in fact burns) were caused by something other than chemical weapons.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:38 PM
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72. I think the claims that mustard gas was used are false and unproven
I did not claim that they were burned with mustard gas, in fact the injuries shown on that website looked like flame burns, not chemical burns.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:40 PM
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73. Sorry
arguing with the wrong person. :)
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:48 AM
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59. you are correct napalm, is NOTa 'chemical' weapon
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 11:02 AM by Snivi Yllom
Napalm and other similar weapons that use fire as the method of destruction are 'incendiary' weapons, not 'chemical weapons'. Do they use chemicals in the sense there are manufactured compunds used to creat the fire? Yes, they use kerosene and polystyrene (what they serve Dunkin Donuts coffee in), but none of these substances in on the list of banned chemical weapons in the CWC( http://www.opcw.org/html/db/cwc/eng/cwc_annex_on_chemicals.html#b ). But using this logic, one would also say, fuel air weapons, tear gas, and even explosives themselves are chemical weapons. Thats a debate about language, not technology.

Even the Geneva convention ammendment (which the US did not sign) refers to Napalm as an incendiary CONVENTIONAL weapon. BTW, this convention did not ban the use of Incendiary weapons, but in fact placed rigid restrictions on the use of these weapons, especially within areas with civilians. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/int/convention_conventional-wpns_prot-iii.htm

'Chemical Weapons' are nerve agents and blistering agents, such as mustard gas, VX or Sarin.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/cw.htm

here is THE definition of chemical weapons from the Chemical Weapons Convention:

http://www.opcw.org/html/db/cwc/eng/cwc_frameset.html

1. "Chemical Weapons" means the following, together or separately:

(a) Toxic chemicals and their precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention, as long as the types and quantities are consistent with such purposes;

(b) Munitions and devices, specifically designed to cause death or other harm through the toxic properties of those toxic chemicals specified in subparagraph (a), which would be released as a result of the employment of such munitions and devices;

(c) Any equipment specifically designed for use directly in connection

9. "Purposes Not Prohibited Under this Convention" means:

(c) Military purposes not connected with the use of chemical weapons and not dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare;


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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:09 PM
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35. That's why they hate us n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:32 AM
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13. I love your updated Guernica poster
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 05:37 AM by leftchick
how appropiate... :(

Iraq: The Devastation
by Dahr Jamail

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0107-34.htm

<snip>

When the wind blew in from the nearby Julan quarter of the city, the putrid stench of decaying bodies (a smell evidently once again typical of the city) only confirmed his statement. Even then, Dr. Jabbar was insisting that American planes had dropped cluster bombs on the city. "Many people were injured and killed by cluster bombs. Of course they used cluster bombs. We heard them as well as treated people who had been hit by them!"

Dr. Rashid, another orthopedic surgeon, said, "Not less than sixty percent of the dead were women and children. You can go see the graves for yourself." I had already visited the Martyr Cemetery and had indeed observed the numerous tiny graves that had clearly been dug for children. He agreed with Dr. Jabbar about the use of cluster bombs, and added, "I saw the cluster bombs with my own eyes. We don't need any evidence. Most of these bombs fell on those we then treated."

Speaking of the medical crisis that his hospital had to deal with, he pointed out that during the first 10 days of fighting the U.S. military did not allow any evacuations from Fallujah to Baghdad at all. He said, "Even transferring patients in the city was impossible. You can see our ambulances outside. Their snipers also shot into the main doors of one of our centers." Several ambulances were indeed in the hospital's parking lot, two of them with bullet holes in their windshields.

Both doctors said they had not been contacted by the U.S. military, nor had any aid been delivered to them by the military. Dr. Rashid summed the situation up this way: "They send only bombs, not medicine."

As I walked to our car at one point amid what was already the desolation of Fallujah, a man tugged on my arm and yelled, "The Americans are cowboys! This is their history! Look at what they did to the Indians! Vietnam! Afghanistan! And now Iraq! This does not surprise us."
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:52 PM
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9. B-b-but Liqa', you're FREE now
so please shut up and pray to the statue of Bush that everyone's required to have.
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osiristz Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 11:55 PM
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10. Liqa
I hope she voted!
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:20 AM
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11. Vying for elite status among history's worst tyrants.
I remember reading back in the early 80s when Syria's president Hafez al-Assad razed the village of Rifaat, killing thousands, thinking, this is a tyrant. Thinks nothing of razing a town to teach people a lesson. Vicious. Nasty. Brutish. Uncivilised. Thank God the leader of a democratic country could never do such a thing.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:44 AM
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19. Fallujah == OUR Nanking


Japanese aircraft bombed south Shanghai Station Aug.28,1937.
About 200 people in the waiting room were dead or wounded by the bombing. A crying baby was left alone after the bombing. - Life Oct. 4, 1937

peace
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:32 AM
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14. This is just terrible
Where is the outrage? I am absolutely livid.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:36 AM
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15. This atrocity, this genocide, this war crime, was done in OUR NAMES.
And we will all pay for bush's crimes against humanity.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:41 AM
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18. kick
:kick:
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:51 AM
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22. Depleted Uranium - the US's Genocidal Weapon that keeps on "giving"
.
.
.

Why are we not hearing MORE of this in the MSM

I know the answer - never-mind:

Some info to consider:


Oklahoma first in war crime weapons

Fallujah leveled by uranium weapons from Oklahoma

By Bob Nichols
Online Journal Contributing Writer
OKLAHOMA CITY, February 12, 2005

The US military's genocidal operation in Iraq is trucking off whole destroyed cities and acres of dirt to dumps in the desert. This is to obscure the tell-tale and eternal radiation and the chemical residues from the use of banned and illegal weapons by our kids and friends in the US military.

The Empire's Tactics

They are the same as they have been for 40 years. Does anybody remember the "elections" in Saigon, Vietnam? You are maybe expecting the Empire to not change or alter it's lethal methods and procedures?

In Vietnam it was the deadly chemical poison Agent Orange. In Iraq it is plain old processed uranium. The military must think uranium is better, because it is permanent. Uranium is radioactive. It kills people and contaminates their land—forever

Special Report
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And then of course, there's Rummy's "throw-away soldiers" - Read on:


"Marion Fulk, a retired nuclear scientist from Livermore National Lab told AFP that U.S. troops in DU contaminated battlefields are considered "throw-away soldiers." The Marines exposed to DU in Fallujah, and elsewhere, face greatly increased risks of cancer, deformed children, and other health problems in the future."

As harsh as this statement by Marion Fulk seems at first glance, this charge is exactly the term a retired Army Major used in March, 2003, during a phone call to me in describing the attitude the Pentagon had developed toward soldiers in the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember, in February, 2004, the Pentagon did something it had never done; it replaced an entire army with an entirely fresh army. Why did it do this? The best guess is that Pentagon officers knew that enough men in the original invading force were getting sick from D.U. poisoning that an entirely fresh infusion of forces was required. Now, this fresh army has been in the battlefield for nine months, and is in dire need of being replaced, for the very same reasons

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2549
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IT GET"S WORSE:

"The Middle East has been severely contaminated, warns Moret. "That region is radioactive forever," she says, but worse is yet to come.

Moret says the air carrying DU particles takes about a year to mix with the rest of the earth's atmosphere.

Radioactive sites continue to kill and contaminate Iraqi children

The radiation released by DU nuclear warfare is believed to be more than 10 times the amount dispersed by atmospheric testing.

As a result, DU particles have engulfed the world in a radioactive poison gas that promises illness and death for millions."

DU: Washington's Secret Nuclear War
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The world needs to know MORE about the Genocide the US is committing, soon to be spread WORLD-WIDE!

Good to know they are spreading Democracy at the same time tho :eyes:

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #22
27. What does DU have to do with this?
DU is used against armored vehicles like tanks, of which there were exactly zero in Fallujah.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:31 AM
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30. DU is used in missiles AND bullets - and is used against PEOPLE
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 11:32 AM by ConcernedCanuk
.
.
.

read the links!

or Google DU (Depleted Uranium) and Fallujah

or Depleted Uranium and bullets . . .

The US used TONNES of Depleted Uranium on Fallujah . .

so DU has EVERYTHING to do with this


Fallujah has been contaminated by the United States, and will continue to contaminate it's inhabitants forever

Well - maybe not forever

a few billion years or so anyways . .

(sigh)
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #30
41. Are you serious?
Why would anyone use DU in missiles? DU would only add weight to the warhead, not explosive ability. A missile with DU in it would hold LESS explosive and have less range. And the "bullets" you mentioned are the HUGE 25-30mm bullets (size of your arm forearm, almost) fired from helicopters and A-10 Warthogs to cut up tanks and armored vehicles. There are no DU-tipped bullets issued to ground soldiers, because it is far more expensive than lead or steel, and offers no advantage in killing power against an enemy soldier.

The only benefit of DU in munitions is to cut through heavy armor on vehicles. Since none of these were present in Fallujah, why would we use it there?
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #41
49. It increases penetration
see:

http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdw/jdw010108_1_n.shtml

"It is true that some guided weapons used depleted uranium to increase the penetration effect..."

see also:

http://www.nukewatch.com/du/200203lemonde.html
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #30
46. I call bullshit.
There's no military or economic reality in which it would make any kind of logical sense to use depleted uranium on human targets. Anyone who says such a thing is spouting bullshit.

Now, napalm is a different story.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:33 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. Of course it is used against human targets
what do you think happens to the dust and fragments from the shell hitting buildings and armour? They get into your lungs, they get into your gut... it is not be used in .45 caliber bullets, but using DU against armored targets means it will unavoidably wound and maim civilians as a secondary effect.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. Ok, let me try this again.
That is like saying a TOW missile is used against human targets. It isn't. It's used against tanks and other armored vehicles. Yes, the people in the tank are obviously part of the target. People standing nearby may be injured or killed. But it is not used to directly attack human targets.

Since there WERE NO ARMORED TARGETS in the city, there is no reason why DU would have been used during the attack.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. First of all
DU is used in 'some guided weapons' according to Jane's defence (see my post above), so it may well have been used in Fallujah. Also, its not quite the same as normal shrapnel because it is toxic and remains so for a very long time.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. I am well aware of that.
It is used, in guided weapons, as a PENETRATOR for ARMOR. There was no armor there. None. Not one goddamn tank. You don't use a DU-tipped weapon on anything other than an armored target. That just doesn't make sense.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:08 AM
Response to Reply #52
53. A building can very well be an armored target under
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 07:08 AM by Vladimir
certain circumstances, and DU is in fact even used in tank shells:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/2860759.stm

Now it may be that tanks carry several different types of shells - I don't know, I've never been in one. But that article claims that the Abrams uses 'only' DU tipped shells. So if any building in Fallujah was hit by a shell from an Abrams, it seems DU was used.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #53
54. shells
>Now it may be that tanks carry several different types of shells - I
>don't know, I've never been in one.

They do. At a bare minimum they usually carry rounds specifically designed for use against heavy armored targets (tanks) and light armored / infantry targets.

No. A building is not an armored target, unles it's got steel armored plating. It's not the same thing. It just isn't. You don't need DU to penetrate the walls of a building - trust me.

>But that article claims that the Abrams uses 'only' DU tipped shells.

It uses DU-tipped anti-armor rounds. It uses high-explosive antipersonell rounds because (let's all say it together now) using DU on infantry targets makes no sense.

If you'd like to find out more, go here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/120.htm
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. Thanks for that link - point taken n/t
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. using DU on infantry targets makes no sense - neither does invading Iraq
.
.
.

They are poisoning the ME on purpose

I call it planned Genocide on the part of the USSA

you are right tho, DU is NOT necessary to PENETRATE buildings

but if they want to contaminate them??

some info:

"In the first partial Pentagon disclosure of the amount of DU used in Iraq, a US Central Command spokesman told the Monitor that A-10 Warthog aircraft <...> fired 300,000 bullets. The normal combat mix for these 30-mm rounds is five DU bullets to 1 - a mix that would have left about 75 tons <68 metric tonnes> of DU in Iraq." (The Christian Science Monitor May 15, 2003)

In the unclassified report "Operation IRAQI FREEDOM – By The Numbers, Assessment and Analysis Division, 30 April 2003, by T. MICHAEL MOSELEY, Lt Gen, USAF Commander", the number of 30-mm rounds spent is more precisely given as 311,597.
> Download US Central Air Forces report (432k PDF)

http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/dissgw.html#MITKILP

Now that's bullets

BULLETS

NOT tank rounds,

bullets,

the ones they rained on Fallujah till nothing lived there anymore

as you can see, the qoute above is a year old

so the USSA is continuing its radioactive genocide in the ME

OH

and those tank rounds aren't "tipped" as the Military would like you to believe

unless it's a TEN POUND tip???

" A DU round is made from the leftover U238. The killing punch comes from the solid depleted uranium metal rod in the shell. A 120 mm tank round contains about 4000 grams or 10 pounds of solid DU."

/snip/

A DU rod is very dense. At high speed, it slices through tanks like a hot knife through butter. It burns on impact, creating flying bits and dust that are toxic and radioactive with a half-life of 4.2 billion years

http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/

now that's Genocide IMO,

leaving radioactive materials BY THE TONS to finish off the USSA's dirty work . . .



The USSA's

new wonder weapon the Pentagon calls a "silver bullet."




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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #57
62. I give up.
>so the USSA is continuing its radioactive genocide in the ME

Blah blah blah. You throw words around like that until they're meaningless.


gen·o·cide Audio pronunciation of "genocide" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jn-sd)
n.

The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.



They're doing a piss-poor job of it then, aren't they?
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #57
68. The is the extent of DU ammunition used by US forces


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/du.htm

20mm MK149 Used for Phalanx air defense on ships.

25mm PGU-20 Used on Harrier Marine jets

25mm M919 APFSDS-T Used on Bradley fighting vehicles

30mm PGU-14/B API Used by Apache helicopters and the A-10 for attacking vehicles

120mm M829 APFSDS-T Used by M1 tanks
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #53
66. the tank round that use DU are for killing other tanks, not people
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 12:17 PM by Snivi Yllom
Explosive rounds would kill far more civilians if fired in a populated area. It's like a rocket powered lawn dart for punching holes through tank armor to use a poor analogy.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/120.htm

this is a DU tank round:


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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:23 PM
Response to Original message
31. I should know better than to read threads like this on my lunch break
I am a wreck right now sitting at my desk.

What do we do? Pray? Mourn for these poor innocent souls?

March in the streets this weekend? Is it enough? Will it make a difference?

Oh god....

:cry:
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:46 PM
Response to Original message
32. Fallujah
has destroyed the US military
who rushed to defend the "honor" of the US mercenaries.

Now,
let us see what the US mercenaries are going to do next.

"Who is this coming from Edom,
with sullied garments from Basra?" (Isaiah 63:1)
is the question an anonymous onlooker asks G-d
when he sees G-d returning
as a warrior from the battlefield of Basra.
"I soiled my garments (in My war against evil in Basra)," G-d responds,
"for a day of vengeance is in My heart
and the year of my redemption has come."
http://www.moshiach.com/discover/articles/saddam.php
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:34 PM
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36. It will be uninhabitable for a long time to come
or at least uninhabitable by OUR standards, the Iraqis of course will have no choice. Assuming the US army used similar tactics as in the aerial bombardment of Kosovo, there will be unexploded cluster bombs scattered all across the city and the entire area will be heavily contaminated with DU. And that is not even taking into account the allegations of chemical weapon use - one thing is clear: fallujah spells genocide today. And as LynneDem says, this one WAS in our names, whether we like it or not.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:18 AM
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38. Why is the American media not covering this?
Why do we have to see these images and hear the truth from obscure blogs and foreign media?

Why is the media enabling murder?

Why won't they tell the truth?

What the hell is going on?

This goes far beyond "pandering" to the Bush Administration.

What hold over the media does this sickening, putrid, unAmerican, murderous administration have?

How do media members sleep at night? They do three-days worth of stories on Michael Jackson wearing his pajamas in court--yet they avoid showing the unforgivable horrors in which our government engages--in our name.

By failing to report on the truth--the MSM gives the appearance that all is just fine in Iraq.

The MSM is just as guilty as BushCo--as far as I'm concerned. They could stop this criminal, sick activity. Instead, they hide the murders, so the murders can continue.

What the hell is going on in this country?
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #38
60. Agreed. I have no idea how they sleep at night.
The corporate media is complicit in this blood bath. They are equally guilty of the crimes Bushco commits.

I am ashamed of my country. I am especially ashamed of those who voted to keep the current administration in office & of those who did not vote.

I feel sick, absolutely sick.

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:38 AM
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40. "Support our troops".
Yeah.

Sigh.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:19 AM
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42. A WAR CRIME!
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 01:20 AM by burrowowl
There is no there there.
And who is to blame? Bu$hCo!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:25 AM
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55. "What the hell is going on in this country?"
Amerika has been taken over by a Fascist Regime and a complicit Media. Most Amerikan people will not know about the atrocities commited by U.S. troops, instructed by the U.S. Govt.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:23 PM
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74. A priceless quote from my own forum...
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 01:23 PM by BikeWriter
Well DAMN, we just wanted to bring them Christianity and Democracy!

And we did in our own little way... the residents came home to see the rubble of what used to be their homes and businesses and exclaimed "Jesus H. Christ!"

http://forums.delphiforums.com/yellerdawg/messages?msg=7913.17
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