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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:15 AM
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Tom Delay.... MORE unethical behavior. He's goin' DOWN! Can I hear a
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 07:18 AM by in_cog_ni_to
HALLELUJAH!!!!:bounce: Here's an AOL article (a warning for AOL haters). It seems the GOP is getting a little fearful of Delay taking THEM down. This is GOOD. This is a great way to start a Monday morning! Delay is on his way OUT. There's also a poll to vote on! DU it! :hi:

Delay And Company
The GOP Leader's Troubles Mount, with New Questions About His Dealings With the Former Aide Who Helped Build His Political Machine


<snip>What even fewer people outside that office knew was that the two shared a bond that transcended power and politics: Buckham, a licensed nondenominational minister, was also DeLay's pastor. For a while, in DeLay's early days as whip, they organized daily voluntary prayer sessions for the staff--until it began making some aides uncomfortable. After that, according to two sources who worked in the office at the time, the two of them frequently prayed together privately, joining hands in DeLay's office.

Buckham shared not only DeLay's religious faith but also his audacious vision for harnessing the financial and political clout of business and conservative interests to carry out the G.O.P. agenda and increase its majority in Congress. DeLay offered lobbyists the best seats they had ever had at the table, a say in legislative and political strategy, on the understanding that they in return would pour millions into DeLay's favored causes and candidates. In addition, he threatened to shut out lobbying shops that employed Democrats. In Washington that seamless coordination between his office and the lobbying corridor of K Street has become known as DeLay Inc. It developed the muscle to push or block pretty much everything DeLay asked for, from protecting tax breaks for low-wage garment manufacturers on the Northern Mariana Islands (where DeLay spent New Year's Day 1998 with his wife and Buckham) to creating a Medicare prescription-drug plan that critics say is a better deal for pharmaceutical companies than it is for seniors.

Now the machinery that DeLay and his pastor built threatens to derail DeLay. He was slapped three times last year by the House ethics committee for violations of House rules, and finds himself potentially facing more serious trouble on multiple fronts. Each day seems to bring another embarrassing headline and more lawmakers' being caught up in allegations of impropriety that surround the lobbyists--many, like Buckham, former DeLay staff members--who have traded on their access to him. The Washington Post reported last week that DeLay (as well as six other Representatives from both parties and several congressional aides) had over the past four years accepted trips to South Korea, paid for by a registered foreign agent--a violation of House rules.

As it happens, the foreign agent in question--a group called the Korea- U.S. Exchange Council, funded largely by the Korean holding company Hanwha Group--lists its address as the same waterfront Georgetown office suite as Buckham's lobbying business. Edward Stewart, who not only manages international business for Buckham's Alexander Strategy Group but also is the Korean group's Washington representative, declined to comment on the controversy. Buckham, 46, did not return telephone calls and e-mails seeking an interview. The lawmakers named by the Post, including DeLay, say they were not aware that the group was a foreign agent. Indeed, it didn't register as one until three days before DeLay left for his trip to South Korea in August 2001.<snip>

on edit...forgot the link.
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050313215009990005
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:18 AM
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1. have a link? n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:19 AM
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2. Sorry. Just posted it.
:hi:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:54 PM
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24. Well, he's on the AOL tip, it's DEFINITELY the beginning of the end
Anyway, since you have to be on AOL ("on" AOL--LOL) to access the story, here's one from the Washington Post:

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) has dismissed questions about his ethics as partisan attacks, but revelations last week about his overseas travel and ties to lobbyists under investigation have emboldened Democrats and provoked worry among Republicans...

:headbang:
rocknation
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:19 AM
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3. There's a pattern. Republicans stuck to Newt in a cluster until his
scandals were a liability. Then political pressure (and practicality) forced Newt to step down in order to save the Party.

I'd be worried if the pukes felt, screw'em all. He's Tom Delay. We're powerful and we can't be taken down. So, yeah. It IS a good sign that there is some organic change going on.
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:22 AM
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4. damned liberal press. Delay is a Christian--it;s all because he's
a
Christian. That's why you all hate him.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:26 AM
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5. Why are the biggest crooks self-proclaimed
non-denominational Christains?
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:41 AM
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13. Here's Another Example of Those Nondenominational Values
UPDATE, 6AM THUR:Thirty two-year-old Nathan Herron was sentenced to 46 days in prison Wednesday after pleading guilty to 19 counts of misdemeanor theft and other charges.

Police say Herron changed the price tags on items purchased from Rural King and then sold them on E-bay. He's also accused of stealing power tools from Blue's Surplus Store.

Herron is being held in the Henderson County Detention Center.

<snip>

Nathan Herron, 32-years-old and of Corydon, is accused of changing price tags at Rural King. Officials say he bought items at a lower price and then sold them on eBay. Herron also admitted to stealing power tools from Blue's Surplus, a store that did business with his propane company. In addition to owning the propane company, Herron is also an associate pastor at New Covenant Church in Corydon.

http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=2890806&nav=3w6nVtFl
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:14 PM
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27. It's a mask that they can hide their evil.
Case in point: BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) guy in Kansas was on the church board or something.

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:27 AM
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6. Yeah but is it on Faux?
How much does the average person know? How much will they ever hear?

I hope you are right and this is the beginning of the end but I have some reason to doubt.

Julie
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:27 AM
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7. Delay is just an unlikable A-hole.
He's someone people could turn on in a heart beat. If the Democrats don't get him then a Republican will.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:28 AM
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8. Korea-US Exchange Council - Delay's trips and the Heritage Foundation
working links here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1309248&mesg_id=1309284



Hanwha Chairman Faces Charges

By Kim Rahn
Staff Reporter
...

Prosecutors refused to release details of the interrogation, but said the questioning focused on Kim's role in the group's provision of funds to ruling and opposition parties in 2002. They said it appears certain that Kim violated laws governing the donation of political funds, adding he will soon be charged without detention.

The 52-year-old chairman returned from the United States on Saturday following an eight-month stay that started Jan. 1. He left for the U.S. as investigators were gearing up for a major investigation into the political fund scandal, which resulted in the indictment of a number of political heavyweights and businessmen. The Supreme Public Prosecutors' Office said that during Monday's questioning Kim admitted to offering bonds worth 1 billion won to former Grand National Party (GNP) lawmaker Suh Chung-won in October 2002, two months before the presidential election.

...

Hanwha announced in January that Kim had gone to the U.S. for study and hospital treatment. One day after his departure, the prosecution imposed a belated exit ban on him, drawing suspicions that he knew of the prosecution's intentions in advance. Kim had refused to return to Korea despite a summons from the prosecution, citing unfinished matters in the U.S.

Kim reportedly said he had returned because trials involving him and the GNP's Suh had been concluded and he needed to work for his firm, according to the prosecution. Suh, who took illegal funds from Kim in 2002, was released on Friday after being sentenced to a suspended jail term of three years and 1.2 billion won in fines. Suh took a combined 1.2 billion won in illegal funds from Kim and the Sun & Moon Group during the presidential campaign.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200408/kt20040817171621...

Strong ties to the Heritage Foundation

Another Asia-related non-government group made up of influential government and business leaders that shares strong ties to the Heritage Foundation is Korea-US Exchange Council (Korusec), which has a pedigree similar to Usmea. The council was set up in June 2001 by Kim Seung Youn, head of the explosives and chemicals chaebol Hanwha Group. Its purpose is to promote understanding of Korea in the US political community, primarily by exchanging visits with US lawmakers and their aides.

Kim is a close supporter of South Korean president Roh Moo Hyun as well as South Korea's ``sunshine policy'', inaugurated by former president Kim Dae Jung. The policy is based on trading hard cash and business investment for improved relations with North Korea. The initial idea to establish Korusec was reportedly proposed at a function organised by the Heritage Foundation during the presidential inauguration ceremony for GeorgeWBush in January 2001. Kim was attending the ceremony as the guest of Republican Senator Mitch McConnell, whose wife is Elaine Chao.

Korusec's board of directors includes a fair number of US and Korean political heavyweights, including former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, former US ambassador to Korea Richard Walker and former Korean ambassador to the United Nations Park Soo Gil. Heritage president Feulner also sits on the board. Sheffer is an unpaid adviser to Korusec. ASG has close ties to Korusec and has lobbied on its behalf.

Korusec has effectively parlayed its inside connections to reach the highest levels of Washington politics. As part of its inauguration ceremonies in 2001, Korusec flew over then-House floor leader DeLay, his wife and aides. Since then it has played host to a number of senior US politicians, including former president Bill Clinton, who visited Seoul last November. Kim also accompanied Roh on his visit to the US last May, where they met DeLay and Senate Armed Services chairman John Warner. In February last year, Korusec co-sponsored a conference with Heritage and the government-funded Korean Institute for Defence Analyses. Addresses were delivered by US South Korea ambassador Thomas Hubbard, UN and Korea/US combined forces commander General Leon LaPorte, and Edwin Feulner. Last October, Kim was photographed at a Heritage Foundation meeting with US Vice-President Dick Cheney.

more
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/index.html


May 08, 2002 The Korea-U.S. Exchange Council to Host Luncheon
When Wednesday, May 8, 2002
Where B. Smith's Restaurant
Union Station, Washington, DC
Contact Courtney Alexander,
(202) 204-3056 or calexander@korusec.com
The Korea-U.S. Exchange Council will host a luncheon on May 8th at 12:00 at B. Smith's Restaurant at Union Station. The luncheon will feature three speakers: Balbina Hwang of The Heritage Foundation; Mark Manyin of the Congressional Research Service; former Ambassador to the ROK (under Reagan) Richard "Dixie" Walker.

The conversation will be wide-ranging, from the Korean economy to U.S.-ROK relations to December Presidential elections to the North/South dialogue. Q and A will follow the brief remarks by the speakers.
http://www.kacdc.org/events/archives.html

Encouraging greater bilateral exchanges at the congressional level. Several formal organi­zations already exist within the U.S. Congress to promote bilateral exchanges, including the Korea–U.S. Exchange Council (KORUSEC), the Korea Caucus, and the U.S.–ROK Interpar­liamentary Exchange. They should be encour­aged to expand their activities to include vigorous and more frequent dialogue with their counterparts in the ROK National Assembly, including establishing study groups on specific topics of mutual interest. Furthermore, study groups should be established at the congres­sional staff levels in both countries to target issues of mutual concern and cooperation.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/bg18 ...


Kim Seung-youn's Mysterious Departure

Any way you look at it, the sudden departure of Hanwha Group Chairman Kim Seung-youn is a pile of mysteries. Kim is suspected of giving illegal campaign donations during last year's presidential election. To begin with, there's the question of how the prosecution was going about security that he was able to leave for the United States a day before it moved to have him prohibited from leaving the country. If it didn't even know he'd left, discovering the fact as it raided his conglomerate's offices, then that is just pathetic.
There had already been talk circulating of how Kim and his Hanwha Group had given large sums of money to both the ruling and opposition party presidential candidates during the campaign, and there was also giving of "election victory congratulatory money." There was talk also of how this part of the overall investigation might directly affect whether or not we go over the so-called "tenth" threshold. So when Kim calmly makes his way out through Incheon International Airport a day before he would've been prevented from doing so, you naturally wonder how that happened.

How many people would believe they're being told the truth when told the chairman of a chaebol, someone buried in his work, would suddenly leave for a long stint overseas to study the leisurely subject of "U.S.-Korea Relations and the NGO of the Future"? Kim is reputed to be a businessman who is meticulous about the details of everything within his organization.

One also does not believe that Kim would have left simply to temporarily evade investigators. It wouldn't be like a chaebol tycoon, who should know quite well that the government has a whole host of methods to pressure a conglomerate at its disposal. This is why you even hear suggestions Kim made this move because he was advised to do so ahead of time, since getting out of the way would make things less uncomfortable for each party.

If there is to be an avoidance of a situation where such suggestions give birth to suspicions that further endless more suspicions, then authorities must do everything they can to strongly encourage Kim to return and submit to this investigation. Kim, in turn, really should volunteer to return on his own when you consider his importance as someone leading the country's seventh largest conglomerate and the stature of that conglomerate. January 8, 2004
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200401/2004...


Hanwha Chairman Kim Seung-youn to Appear in Court
FEBRUARY 17, 2005 22:50

As the Supreme Public Prosecutor`s Office (head: Park Sang-gil) conducts an investigation into the alleged acquisition scandal of Korea Life Insurance by Hanwha Group, it summoned Hanwha’s Chairman Kim Seung-youn on February 17. At around 1:00 p.m. on the same day, Chairman Kim appeared in the Supreme Public Prosecutors’ Office building and went into an investigation room after some words to reporters. He said, “I apologize for raising a scandal. I will disclose the details in the office.”

Prosecutors conducted an in-depth investigation into the following: whether or not Chairman Kim was involved in settling an “inside contract” with Australia’s Macquarie Life Ltd when he was forming the Hanwha Consortium for the acquisition of Korea Life Insurance; and whether he had prior notice of the operation or whereabouts of 750 million won, presumed to be used for political lobbying based on circumstantial evidence, out of Hanwha’s total slush fund of 8.75 billion won.

Reportedly, as soon as the investigation on whether or not to provoke judicial power is over, the prosecutors’ office is expected to indict Lee Bu-young, the former chairman of the ruling Uri Party, without physical restraint based on his alleged infringement of the Political Finance Law.

Chairman Kim, who was under investigation by prosecutors regarding the election campaign fund last August, was indicted without physical restraint based on the charge of providing an illegal political fund of one billion won to Representative Suh Chung-won of the Grand National Party last year. In November 2004, he was fined 30 million won by the Seoul High Court.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=20050218 ...



Korea-United States Exchange Council Supporter of the USO?

http://www.uso.org/related /

Reinforcing friendship, S. Korean firm
to fund renovation at USO headquarters
By B.R. Sargent, Seoul bureau

SEOUL — The United Service Organizations headquarters on Camp Kim will get a huge remodeling job, courtesy of a South Korean company’s $400,000 donation.

“There are moments in life that are never forgotten, both good and bad,” said Kim Seung Youn, chairman of Han Wha Corp. “Sept. 11 is a day that will live for Americans and friends forever. But out of moments of great crisis comes opportunities. … n this case, it gives us the chance to reaffirm a friendship between two peoples who cherish their freedoms.

“Today as a Korean, I take my hat off to the 37,000 American men and women in uniform, who are far from home on the front lines for all that you believe in.”

During a check presentation, Army Gen. Thomas A. Schwartz, U.S. Forces Korea commander, spoke of the alliance between the United States and South Korea.
http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/01/oct01/ed103001e.html


US Foreign Agents Registry for the second half of 2002. These registrants worked as foreign agents on the behalf of foreign governments or political parties during the second half of 2002.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FARA_late_20 ...


Korea - United States Exchange Council - 7 trips

John Carter - Republican Party
November 28, 2003 - December 3, 2003 (6 days)
Seoul, Korea
Purpose - Familiarization trip to Korea, DMZ
Total Cost - $18,832.00

Ander Crenshaw - Republican Party
August 26, 2001 - August 28, 2001 (3 days)
South Korea
Purpose - Educational / Meet with government officials
Total Cost - $27,640.00

Tom DeLay - Republican Party
August 25, 2001 - August 28, 2001 (4 days)
South Korea
Purpose - Educational / Meet with government officials
Total Cost - $28,000.00

Eni Faleomavaega - Democratic Party
November 29, 2003 - December 2, 2003 (4 days)
Korean DMZ
Purpose - mark 50th anniversary of the signing of the Armistice agreement on the Korean penninsula. Will meet with senior official re Korea/United States relations. Visit American Troops at DMZ
Total Cost - $22,098.84

Michael Honda - Democratic Party
December 2, 2003
Seoul, Korea
Purpose - Familiarization with Korea
Total Cost -

Jim McDermott - Democratic Party
November 29, 2003 - December 2, 2003 (4 days)
Seoul, Korea
Purpose - Familiarization trip to Korea, DMZ
Total Cost - $9,340.60

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen - Republican Party
August 25, 2001 - August 28, 2001 (4 days)
Tel Aviv-Seoul, Republic of Korea and South Korea to Taipei, Taiwan
Purpose - educational and meetings with governmental officials
Total Cost - $27,960.00

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/cong ...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:32 AM
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9. here is the reason NOTHING will happen
there is no seperation or balance of power

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:43 AM
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10. Except, the Democrats on the Ethics Committee are holding out
for an investigation of Delay and his corrupt fund raising tactics. There IS hope. They have MUCH more dirt on Delay.

<snip>Where the controversy goes from here is difficult to say. DeLay's increasingly precarious situation has paralyzed the House ethics committee. Democrats on the committee, one of the few in Congress in which they have as many votes as Republicans do, have shut it down. The Democrats refuse to accept a new rule that would prevent the committee from launching any investigation without the support of at least one Republican--a restriction designed to protect the majority leader. The strain is showing on DeLay, who was treated in a hospital last week for fatigue and an irregular heartbeat. And for the first time, a significant number of Republicans have begun to question DeLay's political survival. Frets a senior G.O.P. Congressman about the odor surrounding DeLay: "It just isn't going away."

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distressedsister Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 07:51 AM
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11. I Want to See Bush Impeached and DeLay Dumped But
With the Republicans controlling all branches, checks and balances gone, what would be the mechanics? What Republican committee chairman is going to bring this issue to a vote?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:02 AM
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12. They will save their own asses and sacrifice "The Hammer", if need be.
<snip>But what has most angered Representatives about DeLay was a vote he engineered in December in the House Republican conference to change its rules so that G.O.P. congressional leaders could keep their posts even if they were indicted for a crime--a move that was clearly designed to protect his power if the Texas case took a bad turn. The move blindsided even Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert. The conference withdrew the change in the ensuing political firestorm but left in place the proposal, now being opposed by Democrats, that would make it impossible for the ethics committee to launch an investigation against any Representatives without a majority vote.

So, will DeLay survive? Capitol Hill has seen a fair share of its leaders fall to scandal over the past 15 years or so, and insiders will tell you there are signs to watch for. While a sense of foreboding is undeniably in the air, Republicans still seem fairly solidly behind the leader to whom they owe so much. "With Tom, it's going to have to be more than just allegations. Tom has done so much fund raising," says Indiana Representative Mark Souder. But he acknowledges, "There's a general feeling from all of us that Tom could be more careful. The accumulation of Mariana Islands, Korea, the stuff in Texas has some people wringing their hands more than others."

After the debacle over the ethics rules, more than a few House members say they can ill afford to put their necks out much farther for DeLay. And their support could erode further--and quickly--if they start hearing complaints about DeLay from their constituents at home. "As members head home, they'll review the various media reports," says Arizona's Hayworth, who has been burned by revelations that he used a skybox supplied by Abramoff for fund raising. "I'm sure that it's in the best interest of the majority leader and the majority to have an accounting of what transpired."

A more ominous sign for DeLay: those who might succeed him have begun quietly positioning themselves to make a move if the opportunity arises, sources say. Among the possible successors most frequently mentioned are majority whip Roy Blount of Missouri, National Republican Congressional Committee chairman Tom Reynolds of New York, House Education Committee chairman John Boehner and leadership chairman Rob Portman of Ohio. Not so long ago, it looked as though the speakership would be DeLay's for the taking after Hastert left the post, probably after the next election. But if DeLay is doing any praying in his office these days, it's probably to hold on to the job he has.<snip>

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:43 AM
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14. Won't believe it till I hear a thud! n/t
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:29 AM
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15. This really might be it
The Bugman is goin' down! When supporters back off, and others are planning to move ahead and take Delay's place, I think it's over. I just hope it results in some jail time for Delay.
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:35 AM
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16. Delay's recent "heart problems" will develop into an excuse to leave...
His recent "medical issues" will be a face-saving way for Delay to leave the House, while maintaining the profile of the Repuke leadership. They did the same thing with Joe Scarborough when he killed his intern down in Florida.

If the indictment looks like it's going to happen, look for Delay to step down for "health reasons" before the official announcement.

JB
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:46 AM
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18. What excuse did Scarborough use to conveniently retire?
I can't remember.
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:58 AM
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20. Scarborough said that he "wanted to be closer to his family & sick kid"
He trumped up some song-and-dance at the height of his career that he was leaving Congress because "he wanted to be closer to his family" and his son with juvenile diabetes (I think) needed him at home.

JB
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:54 AM
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17. I will only believe it when I see it and not before...
He is a Bushfriend (like Osama, Rush, and the Anthrax Mailer)

He is a PARTY Member and therefore, he enjoys the same immunity from prosecution as the rest of the Bushfriends.

How will it go down EXACTLY? Who knows?

Perhaps the prosecutor's office will be swept for anthrax, after which all the evidence will mysteriously disappear (that's what happened to the Senate Jucidicary Committee's Democratic Document-Theft (by Busheviks) case.

Perhaps the prosecutor will "commit suicide" or someone his in their office so the rest get the message.

Technicality?

Or perhaps the customary Bushevik Plan which is to ignore ignore ignore until it just falls down the Memory Hole and goes away.

In any case, we will see if New Kinder and Gentler Nazi Germany has enough inevstigational intergirty to bring down a High-Ranking Party Member.

I am afraid my bet is that new is just like old (but kinder and gentler, of course) in so many ways...except violence and overt racism, that is.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:55 AM
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19. Death by a thousand cuts.
And it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. Fuck Viagra, watching this slimy bastard finally go belly up gives me a hard-on.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:26 AM
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21. AAR's Morning Sedition had a great deal of
fun with this this morning. Went over all of the
nastiness and problems DeLay's having.

Delicious.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:29 AM
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22. but the really important question is....
did he get a blowjob from a consenting adult?

:eyes:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:20 PM
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23. Right! Thats a REAL crime...
It's sad that something that mundane could bring him down. Never mind that he's the biggest criminal in the House.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:39 PM
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29. OK. I'm dumb.
Is that what you read in that article? That hadn't even entered my mind until I read your post. Damn, I was just looking at the money/corporations/Delay's wife being employed by the guy/trips being illegally paid for and such. A blowjob flew over my head. :crazy: Did I miss something?



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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:50 PM
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30. lol
seriously....
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:00 PM
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25. Yes, AOL up front and personal
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 01:01 PM by GetTheRightVote
By the way love the FDR quote.

:kick:


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What Is This Crap Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:07 PM
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26. Holla!



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28. AMEN!!
PLEASE let it stick this time!!!
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