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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:10 AM
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Vegetarianism and militancy
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:16 AM by prolesunited
Have you noticed the increasing numbers of occasions when small groups of very militant people demonstrate against all sorts of things: animal experiments, butchers' shops, new roads, footpaths, nuclear power stations, civil rights, homosexuals' rights or anybody else's rights. The odds are that the majority are vegetarians.

As we know, when it needs food, our body indicates this to us with the feeling of hunger. But there are also other signals if specific nutrients are deficient. Meat is the best source of several nutrients. When our bodies are deficient in these, we become irritable and aggressive. This is a perfectly natural signal built into our genetic make-up over our evolution: our bodies are telling us to go out and kill something to eat. This is why strict vegetarians tend to be so vociferous. It is a trait that was recognised long ago; it was, after all, the vegetarian Cain who killed the carnivorous Abel, not the other way round. The vegan Kikuyu tribe in Kenya were the perpetrators of the murderous Mau Mau in the 1950s, not their wholly carnivorous, but peaceful, neighbours, the Maasai.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html#link12


This has to be one one the most bullshit theories that I have EVER seen. Where do people come up with such crap?

But since I found it on the Internets, it must be true. :crazy:


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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:13 AM
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1. Flamebait and bullshit. Nice work.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:15 AM
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2. It was a joke
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:18 AM by prolesunited
I'm trying to get the link and I hit post too soon.

ON EDIT: It's fixed. Sorry, I'm not awake and I hit post too soon. The link and my commentary is there now. (PS, I'm a vegetarian.)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:16 AM
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5. Oh, ok. Understood. Do you have the link?
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:15 AM
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3. No I hadn't noticed
Anecdotal evidence is powerful proof when arguing with the clueless.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:15 AM
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4. Strict vegetarian here
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:17 AM by Stuckinthebush
Not vociferous.

In fact, most vegetarians I know are not going to stone you with tofu if you prefer meat. We just don't. We don't believe it is good for us. You make your decision, I'll make mine.

What happened in your past? Did a vegetarian kick your ass or something? Save the outrage for the right wing, not the health conscious vegetarians.

On edit...

I see now where you edited in the link. Dude...I was ready for a fight!

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:17 AM
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6. As a guy who loves a medium rare steak at least once per week
Any nutrient contained within meat and required for our bodies is generally avaiulable in a more readily accessible form from some vegetable. The primary reason for our omnivorous nature is due to the fact that originally, those of the Homo Genus were scavengers, seeking nourishment wherever it could be found.

That said, nice flamebait.

Countdown to locking, 10, 9, 8,....
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:20 AM
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9. It's fixed
No locking required. I need to wake up fully before I start posting.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:18 AM
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7. Is this serious?
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:21 AM by SemiCharmedQuark
You're kidding...right?

On Edit: I get ya...

Although you'd be surprised how many "rational" people will actually spout some of these. Well, actually you probably wouldn't.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:18 AM
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8. You forgot that murderous Gotama Buddha!
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:23 AM by pnutchuck
sarcasm...

on edit: saw your added link. How crazy can someone be to think that people who want to preserve life become killers themselves?

One day the world will look upon research upon animals as it now looks upon research on human beings.
-Leonardo Da Vinci
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:23 AM
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10. I didn't realize that the myth of Cain and Abel went into
such details about their culinary habits.

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:23 AM
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11. Oh but have you met Farmer Bob?
http://www.furcommission.com/educat/CB.html

He makes the world go round by being ever so kind to his pet minks. So kind that they willingly lay down their lives that J. Lo might wear something that detracts from her heinous movie career.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:31 AM
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12. Found some famous vegetarian quotes.....
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:38 AM by pnutchuck
Can you really ask what reason Pythagoras had for abstaining from flesh? For my part I rather wonder both by what accident and in what state of soul or mind the first man did so, touched his mouth to gore and brought his lips to the flesh of a dead creature, he who set forth tables of dead, stale bodies and ventured to call food and nourishment the parts that had little before bellowed and cried, moved and lived. How could his eyes endure the slaughter when throats were slit and hides flayed and limbs torn from limb? How could his nose endure the stench? How was it that the pollution did not turn away his taste, which made contact with the sores of others and sucked juices and serums from mortal wounds? It is certainly not lions and wolves that we eat out of self-defense; on the contrary, we ignore these and slaughter harmless,tame creatures without stings or teeth to harm us, creatures that, I swear, Nature appears to have produced for the sake of their beauty and grace. But nothing abashed us, not the flower-like like tinting of the flesh, not the persuasiveness of the harmonious voice, not the cleanliness of their habits or the unusual intelligence that may be found in the poor wretches. No, for the sake of a little flesh we deprive them of sun, of light, of the duration of life to which they are entitled by birth and being.
-Plutarch

Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
-Albert Einstein

I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals.
-Henry David Thoreau

edit: http://www.famousveggie.com/quotes.cfm
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:35 AM
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13. .
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:36 AM by Stop_the_War
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:39 AM
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14. Did you read until the END
or did you just start your post?

I agree it's BS and said so. I found it from a link in the veggie forum here and it was so outrageous, I just thought I would post it.
*I* am a vegetarian.

Lighten up.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:43 AM
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15. sorry! I didn't realize that
that's why I edited it out...I thought you were serious until I realized you were posting it here because you thought it was BS.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:45 AM
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16. One quote that gave me a laugh.
"Have you ever heard of a meat eater bombing a greengrocer's shop?"

No, but I sure have heard of meat eaters bombing the hell out of other countries.

P.S. I am also a vegetarian.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:01 AM
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17. Absurd
"The majority of people who protest against homosexual rights and civil rights are vegetarians".....:crazy:

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:10 AM
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18. One need onlyl look at his reference list to determine
that Mr. Groves thinking is out of date, out of line and out of touch.

Hey pinhead, they've published some new stuff since the '70's you know. Joke.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:25 AM
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19. I've thought about this
and it seems to me that the opposite is true: eating critters makes people less compassionate.

The only way I could see this guy being on to something is that if someone has the moral conviction to lay off the critters, they probably also have the moral conviction to protest injustice in the world.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:02 PM
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20. I wonder if there are any vegetarians in PNAC, JINSA, and all the other
hundreds of right wing organizations. Statistically, yes...but to you really think Rumsfeld and Cheney might be?

If vegetarianism was good enough for Leonardo, it's good enough for me.

When things get rough in this country - just remember it takes 14 acres of grain to feed one cow - if I remember the numbers correctly.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:46 PM
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21. Yes, but think of all the little mice
and assorted other critters that get crushed during harvest time. :eyes:

There are so many holes in the logic of this site's author that you could drive a semi truck through his "argument."
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:32 PM
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22. I just checked this website.....
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 07:34 PM by Catchawave
...and the author of the articles sounds like a whack job. The references used to his ve*gan rants are dated between 1966 and 1986, a quick notice of probably meat industry funded grant related articles.

IMO, he's peeing on our legs and telling us it's raining :)

edit: clarify I wasn't calling the OP a whack job :)
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