"The Left hates Bush more than the Right disliked Clinton"

Columnist Cal Thomas argues that the Left hates Bush, far more intensely than Republicans disliked Bill Clinton: “The hatred from those on the left is personal, because what the president stands for, however imperfectly, is a rebuke to their impersonation of the French, who stand for nothing.”
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040831-101022-8961r.htm

Are these things true? Or, should the word 'Left' be replaced with 'Right' and 'Bush' replaced with 'Clinton'?

1. The Left has spent millions of taxpayer dollars trying to throw Bush out of power.

2. There were a group of suicides that were very convenient for the Left who tried to use them to say Bush was a murderer

3. The Left accused Bush of 'wagging the dog' when he tried to combat terrorism.

4. People on the Left created programs such as Rex-84 and then blamed Clinton for creating these programs years later.

The Answers and people who were connected to the acts of trying to attack the President.

1. RW attack on Clinton. Ken Starr
2. RW attack on Clinton. Richard Mellon Scaife, AIM, Jerry Falwell, etc.
3. RW attack on Clinton. Tom DeLay and other RW'ers in Congress
4. RW attack on Clinton. Oliver North

...oh, wait

The people I knew would cheerfully have drawn and quartered Clinton. And those were the ones who had never met the man.

Paybacks a bitch, isnt it Cal.
When Clinton lied, no one died.
Bush lies, thousands die.

to mean a hill of beans. At least we don't go around promoting the murderous retaliations that were often recited on right-leaning blogs in the 90s when the MSM wasn't paying attention.

between "Left" and "hates".

which the media refuses to acknowledge.

Cal Thomas is a tool!

The repukes are STILL talking about Clinton!

Were you addressing me or the mainstream media?

sorry for the ambiguity. The MSM

There's not a shred of truth in his rantings.

:wtf:

These guys are just nuts.

I have the same regard Mark Twain had for the French.

regardless of what anyone thinks of the French.

But that's to be expected from Thomas and his ilk.

To paraphrase Twain:

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a rightwing commentator. But I repeat myself."

Twain (Clemons) would be imprisoned by now if he were still alive.

If not, track them down.

You're right...Twain would be considered an "enemy combatant" by the Busheviks today.

I never really understood his popularity in the Old Soviet Union, which I understand was censored. This was a real mistake on their part when curiosity in his writing extended to his essays and short stories. He did not tolerate fools. I have his collected works at home and have brought up my children with his writing.

I was furious when the Missouri quarter was issued and did not feature his contribution. He is Missouri's one claim to fame not the monument to "manifest destiny". Writers like Twain guarantee that there will always be skeptics in America.

I didn't even bother reading any further than that sentence. The right has long since descending into uttering absolute gibberish.

Wag the dog was used for Clinton, first, when Clinton went after Osama.

Linking Clinton with deaths is what happened. Falwell sold the video.

Bush was accused of wagging the dog, not in battling terrorism, but in the idiot raising and lowering of the terror alerts, whcih can't be explained any other way.

Millions of tax payer dollers to throw Bush out of power--that must be the elections. Well, fuck us for voting. Compare that to the STarr Chamber, the impeachment fiasco, Scaife trolling trailer parkes in Arkansas. That cost tens of millions.

So, yes I do hate the bastard.

The repukes STILL foam at the mouth at the mere mention of Clinton's name. There's NEVER a debate about the idiot-in-chief's policies without the repukes bringing up Clinton and blaming HIM for everything wrong. Cal Thomas is a WH, kiss ass shill. He's probably being paid by them. :grr: :nuke:

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is a puppet dancing on a string

I cannot recall reading an article by him that did not miss the truth by several thousand yards. He is about as credible as limbaugh or O'Rielly. If their lips are moving, then you know they are lying.

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My sincere apologies.

Uh, yep, I hate bush more.

Clinton messed with consenting adult females on occasion. bush* holds men, women and children down so the corporations can rape them and puts multi billion dollar burden on the next generation or two or three so spoiled brats like him can get bigger inheritances and more toys.

Gee, hard to think anybody hates bush*. Don't they know he's a christian? /sarcasm & yes, the lower case 'c' was intentional, I have too much respect for real Christians to suggest he is one of them

Not only the Left hate Bush more than the right hated Clinton. Clearly the some on the right hate Bush too. Look at Bushes Approval rating. The only time it inches above 50 is when he's bombing the shit out of someone or coronating himself.

-First, there are his convictions. Nowhere is this more evident than in the war to liberate Iraq and preserve America from additional terrorist attacks.


There is no evidence that the war in Iraq saved the USA from terrorist attacks. Because there is strong evidence Iraq was not strongly link to terror groups. However given the daily death rate in Iraq from terrorest (freedom fighters) I'd say Bush sure has upped the terrorist attack rate not lowered. How stupid is this guy?


-Indeed, a second reason Mr. Bush is hated is his tax cut. Never mind the improving economy. Liberals fear increased wealth:

There is no evidence the tax cut improved the economy. None. The economy actually went down directly AFTER the cut. Increased wealth? Hmm has anyone here made more money under Bush than Clinton... didn't think so. First you have to have a job to increase your wealth.

-The third and perhaps most important reason Mr. Bush is hated is his genuine faith. Mr. Bush believes God exists objectively and that He has spoken unambiguously to those who would pay attention.


Huh? So liberals don't believe in God? 80-90 % of Americans believe in god. A lot just think God wants Humans to use science and their brains too.


Three points. All dumb. All wrong. And he gets paid to write that stuff. Moran. Liberals hate Bush because he is in fact not good at his job. Period.

at that.

Clinton, despite his foibles, was relatively clean, and kept casualties in the Kosovo war (which I also disagreed with) to a minimum, unlike Bush, who has showed no concern whatsoever for keeping our soldiers or innocent Iraqis safer in his illegal, illegitimate war. Despite his appeal to common people, Clinton was clearly an intellect, whereas Bush is clearly an idiot frat boy. Clinton was highly competent and listened to ideas from all sides, whereas Bush is utterly corrupt and incompetent, and is surrounded by a staff of incompetent industry stooges, and NO input form anyone but huge corporate donors and the far right is ever listened to.

And I agree with other posters that Cal Thomas is a horse's ass. He's a perfect match to the moronic Fox News Channel he so often appears on. Easy way to tell you're dealing with a person of no intellect whatsoever: they associate the left with "the French", thinking it's some sort of insult, because they know it will resonate with the FNC dullard viewers, who know NOTHING about France beyond Pepe Le Pew, the french waiter stereotype in National Lampoon's European Vacation, and the preceding 2 years of absolutely baseless French-bashing by the hard right.

"Yeah, Murlene, hyuk hyuk. Cal Thomas is right, the dummcrats do act French. Remember that hippie Hanoi John, - He Looked French! Hyuk hyuk. A french Herman Munster! Thank God® we didn't get some French Herman Munster with a crazy ketchup queen African wife! Hyuk Hyuk. Annd thank God® we've got Fair and Balanced news now. Duhhhhhh!", says the guy whose job was outsourced last year, who's behind on his house payments and now will have his house foreclosed with no option for bankruptcy, thanks to his non-French clown Prince...

not only do we hate the nasty little creep,so does the REST of the world


you know---- the world that STILL treats Bill Clinton like a rock star?

:)

The difference is we didn't give Clinton the cult like adoration they give Bush. Everyone in this country with the exception of the super rich was better off under Clinton.

Bush on the other hand has been a total disaster. The war in Iraq was unnecessary and has cost us 200 billion and counting. It has nothing to do with terrorism. Yet right wingers refuse to make judgments critical of Bush. Bush's tax cuts have turned what was a rosy government financial outlook into a looming disaster. Some on the right are even willing to throw away their Social Security out of sheer blind loyalty.

There's also one more difference that Cal Thomas seems to ignore. Clinton was loved abroad. Everywhere he went he was greeted like a movie star by the masses. Bush can't even travel among our allies without causing a riot. He is one of the most, if not the most, despised men on the planet. He has been likened to Hitler and been ridiculed as an idiot by members of foreign governments. Cal doesn't want to mention that because if he does than his weak attempt to equate our hatred with with the rights spiteful 8 year harassment of the Clinton's doesn't wash.

Consider the source. :mad:

we 'hate' chimpy while they merely 'disliked' President Clinton. I see. And who tried to take down which DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED President for eight years on trumped up charges??

What a scumbag Thomas is.

After all, we Lefties, being the irrational, bitter breed we are, thrive on hate, as it's an immoderate emotion, suitable only for extremists like ourselves.
Tighty righties, OTOH, being rational, sensible, judicious Good Americans®, only dislike - a completely rational reaction to The Source Of All Evil that is... The Clenis.

/s

projection.

The right hated Clinton for NO discernable reason, and despite the fact that most conservatives prospered under Clintonian policies.

The left despises Bush BECAUSE HE IS THE CAUSE of so much suffering in the world -- heartless financial policies, dismantling of the social safety net, creation of wars, rampant cronyism, a lawless administration that is accountable to no one, the total destruction of the U.S.' hard-won reputation as a beacon of hope in the world.

Our dislike and disappoval of Bush is grounded in reality.
Their intense hatred of Clinton was grounded in fantasy.

Put your mouth to some good use...

The right's paranoia about Clinton turned out to be mostly false...

The left's paranoia about Bush turned out to be mostly right...

Was there more than Foster. Ron Brown was not a suicide, but people did say Clinton had him killed via plane crash. Some people are saying the same thing about Bush (or BFEE) and Wellstone and Carnahan, but as Somerby (dailyhowler.com) is perhaps getting tired of pointing out, the right was saying these things on TV on the radio and in major newspapers whereas the left is saying these things on blogs, discussion boards, and in emails.

I believe Vince Foster and Ron Brown WERE murdered, but not by Bill Clinton.

My Prime Suspect - Richard Mellon Scaife

The reasons why I believe this:

1. Their deaths were very convenient for people who were looking for ways to discredit Clinton

2. Just about everybody who was part of the "Bill killed Vince" crowd could have a line drawn from them to Scaife (Just one of those things that makes me go "Hmmm...")

3. It would not be the first time Scaife was connected to a death that was mysterious (Steve Kangas)

4. Vince Foster's death has been investigated more than 9/11 and every time they did it, they tried to make Bill a suspect (Definite Projection)

5. At that time moderate policies threatened the Right, and I read in Salon (I think) that Ron Brown tried to make the Clinton Administration more Centrist. Brown died a while later.

Liberals turned out in droves to try and oust Bush; Clinton won 1996 in a walk. John Kerry did extremely well for a wartime challenger and I think he only lost because the Right Wing loves Bush more than we liked Clinton. It's not a bad thing - Bush is no doubt more abhorrent to us than Clinton, a centrist, could ever have been to the average Republican.

Jeez, I'd hate to see what they do to people they hate! I've disliked people before, but not to the point of trying to ruin their lives.

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3276504&mesg_id=3276504